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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 14 5.6%
  • Verts

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Davies

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • Dier

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 15 6.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 173 69.8%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 22 8.9%
  • Dele

    Votes: 6 2.4%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Poch

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 1.6%
  • None Deserved

    Votes: 4 1.6%

  • Total voters
    248

Nebby

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Dec 27, 2013
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Respect must go to Juventus. I thought they executed their plan quite brilliantly in the second half.
 
Jan 31, 2006
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What we lack is a warrior defender like Chiellini who gets his head/body in front of everything no matter what. In the Chelsea Mourinho days John Terry was an example of this. Our defenders are nice footballers, Vertonghen in particular is very good, but none of them are warriors. We always concede chances (just like at home to Arsenal). That is the difference!
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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What we lack is a warrior defender like Chiellini who gets his head/body in front of everything no matter what. In the Chelsea Mourinho days John Terry was an example of this. Our defenders are nice footballers, Vertonghen in particular is very good, but none of them are warriors. We always concede chances (just like at home to Arsenal). That is the difference!

We have one, he's injured.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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The annoying thing is everybody and their dog knew what Juve’s plan was. Stay in the game and then strike at the first sign of weakness.

It was like they were a bully who told their prey what alley they’d be waiting down on the way to school, and we just strolled down there anyway with our lunch money jiggling in a our pockets.

Even so, I’m not sure what I’d have done differently. Maybe we could have come out 2nd half and dropped the centre backs deeper, maybe brought in Wanyama. But it’s not Poch’s way to take a backward step.

There’s still a clear progression from last year’s CL horror show. This year we earned respect around Europe. People will take us seriously now.
 

kaz Hirai

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Nov 5, 2008
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What we lack is a warrior defender like Chiellini who gets his head/body in front of everything no matter what. In the Chelsea Mourinho days John Terry was an example of this. Our defenders are nice footballers, Vertonghen in particular is very good, but none of them are warriors. We always concede chances (just like at home to Arsenal). That is the difference!

Disagree, we are fine defensively. Better than fine, we routinely have the best defensive record in the league.

Unfortunately you'll always conceed 1 or 2 chances per game and they were just ultra clinical .
One of the greatest teams in world football. There's no shame

All the other clubs bar Chelsea have had a total bye into the CL. That is literally what Poch wanted to say in his post match
 

blackburn

Active Member
Aug 31, 2012
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Big challenge now for Poch to lift himself and the team, Bournemouth away won't be easy, anything other than a win at Swansea and the vultures will circle. I have enormous faith in him but be prepared for "Spursy" to be repeated ad infinitum
 

matthew.absurdum

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Aug 31, 2012
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Big challenge now for Poch to lift himself and the team, Bournemouth away won't be easy, anything other than a win at Swansea and the vultures will circle. I have enormous faith in him but be prepared for "Spursy" to be repeated ad infinitum

At least now we can play the like of kane and eriken in FA cup
 

felmani26

SC Supporter
Jan 1, 2008
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In brief, could we (Poch) have been more proactive in our approach circa 60mins to look to bring on a Wanyama and soak up an inevitable Juve onslaught to try and counter them ala Madrid?

Also, what on Earth was the rationale for switching Son from the left where he had so much joy over to the right?!

All if's and buts granted....
 

ajspurs

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2007
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The annoying thing is everybody and their dog knew what Juve’s plan was. Stay in the game and then strike at the first sign of weakness.

It was like they were a bully who told their prey what alley they’d be waiting down on the way to school, and we just strolled down there anyway with our lunch money jiggling in a our pockets.

Even so, I’m not sure what I’d have done differently. Maybe we could have come out 2nd half and dropped the centre backs deeper, maybe brought in Wanyama. But it’s not Poch’s way to take a backward step.

There’s still a clear progression from last year’s CL horror show. This year we earned respect around Europe. People will take us seriously now.

Sometimes it's hard to know whether a game went like it did due to one team playing a certain way or due to the other. To me from quite early in the second half we'd lost our way and it looked like we were comfortable with the 1-0. Like said, I'm not sure if we purposefully slowed our game down but Juve were there to be had, we really needed that second goal I felt despite being ahead in the tie but we didn't play in such a way. We played in a way that to me maybe looked overly comfortable in thinking Juve wouldn't score. Even after their first goal you could feel (or at least I could) a heavy shift in mentality despite still leading in the tie and it was imperative that we avoided such a scenario, hence why we really needed that second goal.
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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For Son to get MOM he'd have needed to put away a couple of the chances he fluffed. Maybe that's harsh, but I'm talking about MOM, not whether he did well. A couple of observations;
Hugo - 2 shots, 2 goals.
Trippier - was drading him v Costa which never happened. He was our outlet for much of the game but didn't put any decent balls into the box. Early delivery would, IMO, have caused them a heap of trouble.
Davies - Got the short straw with Costa. Ran out of gas (unsurprisingly).
Sanchez - One major mistake but otherwise fine.
Dembele - They weren't going to let him run the show again.

Harry, Son and Dele got lumps kicked out of them - some of it as cynical as you could hope to see.

Eriksen was my MOM. Always showed for the ball and played some quality stuff. Covered every blade. The only downside is still set piece delivery.

Poch - Subs still a problem. They had a handful on yellow cards and knackered and I simply don't understand how Moura stays on the bench in that situation.
 

dudu

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Jan 28, 2011
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I am personally beyond proud of us for our performance in the CL this season. We have looked like a proper football team coming up against some of the best and holding our own at every stage.

It is another learning experience for us but look at the curve we are on, from last years laughing stock to outplaying Real, Dortmund and Juve.

Anyone calling us legends for our performance in this competition this year, in my opinion, doesnt understand what football is about.
 

TropicalYid

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Jul 25, 2014
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Tbh we won't get past the quarter-final or semi-final even if we defeated Juves

I know I am salty. But just let me to feel better.
Allegri is an expert in tactics. We really suffer to this type of manager every f**king time.

Eriksen and Son don't deserve the defeat today.

I dont think it was Allegris brilliant tactics that wont it. They took their chance when we switched off for a couple of minutes.
 

Nebby

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Dec 27, 2013
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The annoying thing is everybody and their dog knew what Juve’s plan was. Stay in the game and then strike at the first sign of weakness.

It was like they were a bully who told their prey what alley they’d be waiting down on the way to school, and we just strolled down there anyway with our lunch money jiggling in a our pockets.

Even so, I’m not sure what I’d have done differently. Maybe we could have come out 2nd half and dropped the centre backs deeper, maybe brought in Wanyama. But it’s not Poch’s way to take a backward step.

There’s still a clear progression from last year’s CL horror show. This year we earned respect around Europe. People will take us seriously now.

It was a classic Italian mugging. A quick change of tactics, a sustained period of fouling that broke both our rhythm and concentration, and then they started to keep the ball and move it around in a way they didn't do at all in the first 45 minutes. We really didn't know how to react or stop it from happening. In ten minutes the game was lost.

At half time, Allegri had no choice but to change his tactics, whereas Poch was stuck between a rock and a hard place. If I were being ultra critical, he should have realised that Allegri was going to attack at some point and done something to offer our defence greater protection.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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In brief, could we (Poch) have been more proactive in our approach circa 60mins to look to bring on a Wanyama and soak up an inevitable Juve onslaught to try and counter them ala Madrid?

Also, what on Earth was the rationale for switching Son from the left where he had so much joy over to the right?!

All if's and buts granted....

Pochettinho had the selection and tactics imo spot on.

We controlled the game upto Juve substitutions and formation change. In the space of 6 mins it all turned. Now do I blame Pochettinho? No. Do I blame poor finishing? Yes even Son goal was a miss hit and we failed to kill them off with the amount of chances we had.

Juventus were to the wall make last ditched tackles and you have to give them massive credit because they suckered us in true Italian style .

Pochettinho will get it right soon and favour will come because we are very close as a squad.

Keep the faith
 

SlotBadger

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Jul 24, 2013
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Lamela? he was the nearest person to the ball which bounced off from the post. he could have dived in or stretched his right foot to bury it, instead, he shifted his body to accommodate to use his left foot that cost our golden chance to equalise.
Similar situation happened in the Southampton away game..please tell me why he should be ahead of Dele or Son
Should've known there'd be a way to blame Erik Lamela for our failure to win a football match.

"But what about all those chances we wasted?", I hear you cry.

"Nah. This one's on Lamela's right foot."
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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The annoying thing is everybody and their dog knew what Juve’s plan was. Stay in the game and then strike at the first sign of weakness.

It was like they were a bully who told their prey what alley they’d be waiting down on the way to school, and we just strolled down there anyway with our lunch money jiggling in a our pockets.

Even so, I’m not sure what I’d have done differently. Maybe we could have come out 2nd half and dropped the centre backs deeper, maybe brought in Wanyama. But it’s not Poch’s way to take a backward step.

There’s still a clear progression from last year’s CL horror show. This year we earned respect around Europe. People will take us seriously now.

In brief, could we (Poch) have been more proactive in our approach circa 60mins to look to bring on a Wanyama and soak up an inevitable Juve onslaught to try and counter them ala Madrid?

Also, what on Earth was the rationale for switching Son from the left where he had so much joy over to the right?!

All if's and buts granted....

I've said in a few posts across a few threads now, but I think Poch has got to be ultra ruthless and ultra vigilant about sticking to his principles - especially in these biggest of games where as we've painfully found out last night there is virtually no margin for error.

People will point to the defensive mistakes and the space, but it was somewhat there in the first half too in a few moments, when they did advance into our territory. However the high press was working well to stop them getting up the pitch mostly, and the trade off of high pressing is that you allow gaps if the opposition can play through.

Now second half the press started to fail... Eriksen went a bit quiet for that killer spell, Son took some knocks and then tired, and Alli and Kane just for me stopped putting in the hardest yards for the cause..... And all of a sudden, with Juve making a few switches too, the spaces have opened a lot more and all of a sudden we're struggling to cope. Now yes the mistakes ultimately happened further back, but if you're not defending from the front then this happens.

If everything we do is set upon being one compact unit and the high press then Poch cannot let this drift in games like that. If people aren't pressing anymore or putting in the dirty work then, whoever it is, gets replaced for fresh legs who can... Or if you're unwilling to sub off certain players then the alternative is to shore up in other areas like the centre of the park or getting the classic two banks of four etc. behind the ball in order to compensate for dwindling energy supplies. It's not easy to change things in a game and sometimes it might work, sometimes it might not, but doing nothing and allowing the game to drift isn't what I want to see in the future. Be decisive and stick to the principles of how he wants the team to play.
 
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ultimateloner

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Jan 25, 2004
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We were not clinical enough, especially Son. But credit goes to him for finding that space and getting a shot off in the first place.

I don't feel let down by that performance. Juve's technique and tactical flexibility shone.
E.g Son was allowed to shoot from the left side when he's through; Son was beating them on pace all day so this was a conscious choice.

Juve also had a plan B which we don't have. They also have the right personnel in the crucial positions to deal the damage: the front 3 have a good mixture of technique, speed and intelligence.
 

EastLondonYid

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Jan 26, 2010
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The moment they equalised Poch should have taken off dele for wanyama and gone 3-5-2 with dier dropping. We lost the game in an instance.
Why did we buy Lucas , surely he could have been thrown on last 10..
 
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Derp

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Dec 4, 2014
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I don’t agree with people who insists that Poch couldn’t do anything to avoid defeat and that the goals came out of nowhere. I watched the match with Danish commentators and they talked about what they thought both teams should do. They mentioned putting Liechsteiner on to get some offense and width and with us they mentioned that a lot of our players looked tired and we should get fresh legs on and “bunker” down.

Allegri then made two good subs and Poch did nothing. The goals definitely didn’t come out of nothing, Juventus had looked much better in the minutes up to the goals. They had like ten minutes where they were on top and banged in two goals.

All of this was definitely avoidable if we had been proactive and made changes when we needed to. Instead we had to wait until 15 minutes left of the game before Poch decided to react. We also only used 2 subs even thought lots of players looked tired. Also why is his subs always so late, maybe giving them more time would make it easier for our subs to change the game. Poch record with subs changing the game around is so poor.

Poch deserves a lot of credit for how much he has moved us forward, but he also deserves blame for yet another exit where he was out thought by another manager. It’s not the first time this has happened and he needs to do better if we ever want to win a trophy.
 

EZSpur

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Jun 6, 2007
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It was a classic Italian mugging. A quick change of tactics, a sustained period of fouling that broke both our rhythm and concentration, and then they started to keep the ball and move it around in a way they didn't do at all in the first 45 minutes. We really didn't know how to react or stop it from happening. In ten minutes the game was lost.

At half time, Allegri had no choice but to change his tactics, whereas Poch was stuck between a rock and a hard place. If I were being ultra critical, he should have realised that Allegri was going to attack at some point and done something to offer our defence greater protection.

But! You can also perhaps argue that the best form of defence is to attack and keep hitting them in their own half.
I honestly believe this is what Poch was trying to do - and for the most part it worked.
To sit back and try to counter against a team like Juve could've been suicide.
Either way it was always going to be a tough call for Poch.
Ultimately he has tried to play to our strengths - to what feels natural to our team which is to continue to attack and create chances.

I guess we live and learn and can only get stronger from this experience.
I'm certainly not going to berate anyone because Juve honestly never looked like scoring and the best team lost.
 
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