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  • Lloris

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Toby

    Votes: 9 3.5%
  • Verts

    Votes: 13 5.1%
  • Rose

    Votes: 128 50.2%
  • Winks

    Votes: 66 25.9%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 5 2.0%
  • Dele

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 9 3.5%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Moura

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lorente

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 20 7.8%

  • Total voters
    255

SpursDavid88

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Jun 2, 2019
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I wouldn’t have started Kane as he’s proven to be well off the pace when he rushes back from injury. But the player who should have made way for Moura was Alli who hasn’t had a good game since he come back from injury - he’s had a lackluster season overall due to World Cup fatigue and injuries. This could have allowed Kane to drop deeper and play in balls to Son and Moura running in behind.
Overall the defense played well helped by the fact Liverpool were gifted an early goal (sorry but can’t see how that can be handball/penalty, it hit his chest/armpit and therefore made no difference if his arm was out or by his side) and thereafter didn’t attacking with any menace but the front 4 were all poor and didn’t threaten their defense. Too many poor decisions. We had 2 or 3 occasions of 3 against 3 (one of them 4 against 3) and didn’t manage to create a scoring opportunity. Very poor. Given all the possession we had Eriksen especially let himself down. For his free kick I thought he might try to go near post. Allison was set up expecting far post.
We might all be very disappointed but the players will be more so as they know they made it to the biggest game of their career and they didn’t leave everything out on the pitch. This performance more so than the result will haunt some of them.


Agree with this - particularly the bits I've highlighted. Pochettino was far too slow to change things up and our entire front 4 gave a very poor account of themselves. Moura also has two very good chances when he came on and fluffed both. On the night I feel we were beaten by a poor side and the players didn't give their all. In truth we bottled it and went out with a whimper.
 

Hawk_Spur

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Dec 17, 2004
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Thought the back 4 were all very good, particularly Vertonghen and Rose. Trippier was sound defensively but poor going forward.

Winks was playing well. We need him fit and firing next season.

As for the front four.... very, very poor. Not buying into the whole whether Kane should have started or not. He is our talisman and should always start, if fit.

Alli and Eriksen have done what they have mostly done for this season. Not much.
 

kcmei

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Aug 9, 2008
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We should have surprised them with kane dropping deep and son up front
 

yusrisafri

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Jun 27, 2004
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That same myth was probably instrumental in Mouras two goals v Ajax to get us to the final. He is a great player on his day, he just didnt turn up for this one.
1st goal, he tried to dribble past the defender, lost it but Moura ran hard to get to the ball.

2nd goal, he tried to set the ball back to Llorente actually, and had no idea Moura was behind him.

Assists yes, but they were not on purpose
 

yusrisafri

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Jun 27, 2004
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As for the front four.... very, very poor. Not buying into the whole whether Kane should have started or not. He is our talisman and should always start, if fit.

And that kind of thought, ladies and gentlemen, is what will fail us time and time again.
 

Ron Burgundy

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Jun 19, 2008
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Thought the back 4 were all very good, particularly Vertonghen and Rose. Trippier was sound defensively but poor going forward.

Winks was playing well. We need him fit and firing next season.

As for the front four.... very, very poor. Not buying into the whole whether Kane should have started or not. He is our talisman and should always start, if fit.

Alli and Eriksen have done what they have mostly done for this season. Not much.

I don’t agree about Kane at all. He shouldn’t have started
 

teedee

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Jan 11, 2019
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And that kind of thought, ladies and gentlemen, is what will fail us time and time again.

Kane was at his lethargic worst last night, especially in the first half and seems to negatively affect Son and Moura when he plays. Poch must somehow find a way in which to make them more cohesive.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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Kane was at his lethargic worst last night, especially in the first half and seems to negatively affect Son and Moura when he plays. Poch must somehow find a way in which to make them more cohesive.
This is propaganda and total lies. I am sorry to say this myth about Kane negating Son and Moura is excuses.
 

phil

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Oct 25, 2004
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Both teams were poor for some reason. It wasn't just ours that didn't turn up. There were very few players that had a decent performance.
Even Origi, who scored barely got a single accurate pass. Kane, Salah, Son, Firmino, Eriksen, Alli, all the top players were average. Mane and Allison were the only two above average.
Do you realize how hot is was last night? No surprise that Liverpool took every opportunity to slow the game or that Sissoko ran out of steam. It was knackering just watching.
 

tobi

Clear Eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Lose
Jun 10, 2003
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Overall the defence was fine, Winks was active and calm but the attackers were awful. The final pass or decision was lacking for most of the game.

They can't say they left it all on the pitch because they didn't start playing until it was too late.

Liverpool were worse but it doesn't matter because they weren't punished and history won't remember their performance, only the final result.

I hope they use this pain as determination to get back to this stage. This group has peaked and needs changes, no room for sentiment.
 

1882andallthat

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Feb 2, 2009
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He was match fit just didn't get the service far to many long balls...yeah I agree Moura should of started but so to Kane he also got us here.
You're comment about Kane getting us to the CL final is based on what ? I'm guessing you are basing it on the fact that he played in earlier rounds. I.e before he was injured in the tackle with Delph. If that's the basis of your argument about him getting us there you could say the same about other squad members who played in earlier rounds or games than the first part of our first leg against Man City but who didn't feature thereafter until after the semi final but before the team was picked for the final it is after all a team game. I also don't agree that he was match fit, he was 70% match fit at best. I think you are trying to justify his fitness, which you are wrong on in my opinion by diverting the attention away from how we played the last ball up to our front players.

It was the wrong time to gamble on playing him form the start, Moura should have started with Son as being the main focal points for our attack. That combination worked at times during the games in the semis and quarter finals to devastating effect in the previous two rounds, because they were match fit or match sharp.

I believe the heat played some factor and affected both teams. If the Son and Moura combination hadn't worked during the first 60 mins Poch would have then been right in saying ok let's roll the dice and see if Kane can get us back in the game,even if he is only 70% match fit, as he can poach a goal by being in the right place at the right time in the box and clinically finishing when we are pressing and chasing a game in the last 30 mins, as he's done it before for us and England, but that doesn't mean he's match fit even if he does scores a goal like that in the box. Kane is a great talisman and a great psychological boost and we're glad to have him but let's base his actual match fitness on some objectivity rather than sentiment. He wasn't match fit and he shouldn't have started, that's not to say he wasn't worth a gamble at some point in the game depending on how things were panning out, but that point wasn't or shouldn't have been at the start.
 

Vincent30

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If we do sign quality this summer, Dele has to be worried about his position next season. Starting to turn into a luxury player do all the fancy flicks and not converting anything. Big season for him ahead.

Agree with Rose and Winks. Really hope Rose stays and Winks has one season fully fit.
 

jolegend

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Jul 8, 2005
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That same myth was probably instrumental in Mouras two goals v Ajax to get us to the final. He is a great player on his day, he just didnt turn up for this one.
We was involved in the two goals. I don’t think he intended either pass for Moura
 

SteveH

BSoDL candidate for SW London
Jul 21, 2003
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Well that was just like our league games with them we did ok but didn't bothered their excellent goalkeeper.
We played better they were rubbish.and we were like them toothless.
We looked like we always do if we don't play for a while.
Rose was great as usual as was Winks.
But other than another silly handball pen, no real complaints.
 

mattdefoe

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Jul 16, 2009
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Disappointed but if we invest in the correct manner like Liverpool then we go again.

Shot ourselfs in the foot early on as usual, I think we made a mistake staying in London for pre training , Liverpool went to Marbella and adjusted to the heat , our players were wearing jumpers and long sleeve on Wednesday at the training ground in England and then Madrid was warm and sweaty last night
 

spids

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Jul 19, 2015
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Winks was running the game - I was amazed he was taken off and presume it was almost pre-agreed on the hour mark due to his recent op and lack of match fitness.

Lloris 7
Trippier 6
Toby 7
Verts 7
Rose 8
Winks 8
Sissoko 7
Eriksen 5
Dele 5
Son 7
Kane 5

Three of the four players who we rely on for creativity and goals were fairly anonymous (and thus the 5/10s) and have been since February.

Poch - hard to criticise him, but strange Kane played the full 90 and yet only really started running down the sides of their CBs in the last 20 mins. Clearly not fit enough to start IMO.

Overall, a shitty end to a fairly shitty season but one that has had some seriously amazing, generation marking highlights. New stadium. Run to the CL final, inc. some amazing nights and comebacks.

We need to regroup, freshen up the squad, and have a proper pre-season. I’m hoping Kane, Dele, Winks etc. withdraw from the pointless Nations League and get a proper holiday before their hardest pre-season ever!
 

punkisback

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Apr 10, 2004
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Lloris 7 - good distribution
Trippier 6.5 solid but nothing going forward
Toby 7 solid
Verts 7 solid
Rose 8 - more players need his attitude
Winks 8 - good play
Sissoko 7 - solid but wanted more from him
Eriksen 5 - ineffective, but not enough players on his level to play with
Dele 3 - terrible flicks and poor technique lost us possession. Terrible way to play football, like playing with 10 men.
Son 6 - ran well but rarely threatened on goal
Kane 5 - poor service not helped by the formation.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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You're comment about Kane getting us to the CL final is based on what ? I'm guessing you are basing it on the fact that he played in earlier rounds. I.e before he was injured in the tackle with Delph. If that's the basis of your argument about him getting us there you could say the same about other squad members who played in earlier rounds or games than the first part of our first leg against Man City but who didn't feature thereafter until after the semi final but before the team was picked for the final it is after all a team game. I also don't agree that he was match fit, he was 70% match fit at best. I think you are trying to justify his fitness, which you are wrong on in my opinion by diverting the attention away from how we played the last ball up to our front players.

It was the wrong time to gamble on playing him form the start, Moura should have started with Son as being the main focal points for our attack. That combination worked at times during the games in the semis and quarter finals to devastating effect in the previous two rounds, because they were match fit or match sharp.

I believe the heat played some factor and affected both teams. If the Son and Moura combination hadn't worked during the first 60 mins Poch would have then been right in saying ok let's roll the dice and see if Kane can get us back in the game,even if he is only 70% match fit, as he can poach a goal by being in the right place at the right time in the box and clinically finishing when we are pressing and chasing a game in the last 30 mins, as he's done it before for us and England, but that doesn't mean he's match fit even if he does scores a goal like that in the box. Kane is a great talisman and a great psychological boost and we're glad to have him but let's base his actual match fitness on some objectivity rather than sentiment. He wasn't match fit and he shouldn't have started, that's not to say he wasn't worth a gamble at some point in the game depending on how things were panning out, but that point wasn't or shouldn't have been at the start.
You keep saying he wasn't match fit but he played the whole game and Moura was used along with Son Kane and even Llorente at on point. I
You're comment about Kane getting us to the CL final is based on what ? I'm guessing you are basing it on the fact that he played in earlier rounds. I.e before he was injured in the tackle with Delph. If that's the basis of your argument about him getting us there you could say the same about other squad members who played in earlier rounds or games than the first part of our first leg against Man City but who didn't feature thereafter until after the semi final but before the team was picked for the final it is after all a team game. I also don't agree that he was match fit, he was 70% match fit at best. I think you are trying to justify his fitness, which you are wrong on in my opinion by diverting the attention away from how we played the last ball up to our front players.

It was the wrong time to gamble on playing him form the start, Moura should have started with Son as being the main focal points for our attack. That combination worked at times during the games in the semis and quarter finals to devastating effect in the previous two rounds, because they were match fit or match sharp.

I believe the heat played some factor and affected both teams. If the Son and Moura combination hadn't worked during the first 60 mins Poch would have then been right in saying ok let's roll the dice and see if Kane can get us back in the game,even if he is only 70% match fit, as he can poach a goal by being in the right place at the right time in the box and clinically finishing when we are pressing and chasing a game in the last 30 mins, as he's done it before for us and England, but that doesn't mean he's match fit even if he does scores a goal like that in the box. Kane is a great talisman and a great psychological boost and we're glad to have him but let's base his actual match fitness on some objectivity rather than sentiment. He wasn't match fit and he shouldn't have started, that's not to say he wasn't worth a gamble at some point in the game depending on how things were panning out, but that point wasn't or shouldn't have been at the start.
Sissoko flagged out Winks and Alli struggled so to Eriksen. Blaming Kane is the new thing, either way he started or came on as a substitute people will still find a way to blame his fitness
 

Gilzeanking

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May 7, 2005
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. Blaming Kane is the new thing, either way he started or came on as a substitute people will still find a way to blame his fitness

Not sure about this double0 . Kane has been exactly like this all calendar year . In spite of all the 'talisman' stuff we hear , many
have pointed this out .
To compound the problem , the forward line seems to choke when Kane is playing like this imo .

Surely you can tell the difference between '19 Kane and his ferocious best .
 
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