Ratings vs Man Utd

Discussion in 'Match Reports' started by Bulletspur, Dec 28, 2014.

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  1. Lloris

    288 vote(s)
    76.2%
  2. Chiriches

    7 vote(s)
    1.9%
  3. Fazio

    31 vote(s)
    8.2%
  4. Verts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Davies

    9 vote(s)
    2.4%
  6. Townsend

    3 vote(s)
    0.8%
  7. Mason

    6 vote(s)
    1.6%
  8. Stambouli

    5 vote(s)
    1.3%
  9. Eriksen

    3 vote(s)
    0.8%
  10. Chadli

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Kane

    23 vote(s)
    6.1%
  12. Lamela

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Dembele

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  14. No one

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  15. Undecided

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  1. stevenqoz

    stevenqoz Well-Known Member

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    Lloris 10 How lucky are we to have secured his services....real test is to keep him!
    Vlad 6.5 Plays with a large pinch of naievity....still smarter than Walker
    Fazio 8.5 Immense once again....our best header of the ball for quite a while
    Vert 8 Up for it today against the equally arrogant RVP....did well
    Davies 7.5 Likeable simplicity....knows he is there to defend, unlike......
    Stambouli 6.5 Fair effort considering the early card...not a starter
    Mason 6.5 Still getting back from sprained ankle....reasonable
    Townsend 7 Put in a good shift to help Vlad...best game for a while
    Chadli 7 Thought he stepped up from Leicester...hard to know what motivates him
    Kane 8 You get what is on the label....lots of outsiders singing his praises
    Eriksen 7.5 In amongst it....needs to work on a few smiles
    Dembele 7 Got stuck in as we got on top
    Lamela 6.5 Buzzed around in little time on field

    A good bounce back after the Leicester fade-out. Quite understand the changes....Poch being smart across a busy period plus ensuring we don't overdo it with the returning Walker or still maturing likes of Bentaleb.
    Rode our luck first period but hey we have probably the worlds best keeper playing for us. The opposition swarmed and dominated for long periods but then they are Manchester Utd! Thought we dealt with RVP and his forward mates well...the born again wing back Young being their most effective player. Who said you can't play 3 5 2 in the EPL? They did it very well for 45 minutes.
    At half time Poch clearly said that if we stay deep we will concede so up we charged and started winning the midfield ...putting their defence on the back foot in the process. Dembele won and held the ball well....Lamela's energy also a plus as we got on top. Across this period Poch will rest and shuffle....worked well today. In the medium term IMO our best midfield is
    .......Lamela Mason Bentalab Chadi
    ........................Eriksen
    in what is a 4 4 1 1. Neither Paulinho of Capoue merit a spot....the latter slows our play down to a crawl....any defensive protection not being worth the price of him in the central midfield. See Walker and Bentaleb in for Chelsea....lets hope we have a go like we did today
     
  2. EastLondonYid

    EastLondonYid Well-Known Member

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    Can't believe we rested Walker and Lamela for the MU game instead of the Leicester match.
    MU the last few weeks have been stronger down their left and yesterday 1st half completely ran riot down that side, Lamela and Walker would have been my choice all day....lady luck and poor finishing helped us avoid a 1st half mauling.
    We hang in there and almost nicked it...i think we are a very ordinary side that fortunately has had the rub of the green lately and a WC keeper....alot of work needed ahead,we can't get lucky every week, only the Everton game have we played well lately, but i do admire the way we hang in and somehow win games we shouldn't.
     
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  3. beats1

    beats1 Well-Known Member

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    Mata isnt a winger, he is a number 10 that cuts in and drifts whereas young has always hugged the touchline and attacked the fullback
     
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  4. THFCSPURS19

    THFCSPURS19 Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't comparing the two. I was talking about the chance where Mata was IN THE BOX and there was a cross from our left side from Rafael (I think) and Mata fluffed it.

    I don't know where you've identified me suggesting that Mata is a winger.
     
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  5. dudu

    dudu Well-Known Member

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    Agree with what you are saying about Chadli in that he needs to be more physical but i cant agree he gets a lower score than any of our other midfielders - he gave the ball away i think the least amount of any player on the pitch for the time he was on it - which in a game where neither team were able to keep the ball properly is not something to ignore.
     
  6. Mr.D

    Mr.D Well-Known Member

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    Did the blind bloke vote for Chireches as mom?
     
  7. mpickard2087

    mpickard2087 Fantastic Member

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    I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion that we were only struggling because we were getting overrun in midfield. The majority of the chances they did have were because of simple balls played over a defence that had switched off.

    Falcao chance early on - Makes a run in behind, straight past Chiriches who doesn't react.
    Rooney and Van Persie both had chances from balls clipped over our centre backs who were slow to react.
    Van Persie 2nd half chance came about from Davies sleeping when a low percentage ball was played in behind him.

    Some of these were just basic lack of concentration at times. Thankfully things were a bit more solid in the second half, but although the midfield was chasing the game a lot it wasn't always the cause of the problems. Basic defensive errors were often to blame.
     
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  8. beats1

    beats1 Well-Known Member

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    Err you said that they created nothing from their left side whilst constantly causing us issues on the right because of the full backs

    that was pretty much because Young was playing more like a winger rather than a fullback or wingback and was constantly closer to the fullback(chiriches) whereas Rafeal/Valencia was a bit deeper and Mata was in front of him who kept cutting in from the left
     
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  9. beats1

    beats1 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, the game against Swansea we weren't overrun in the DM area but they kept getting between the fullbacks and centre backs

    They did better than the Swansea match covering the threat of the strikers getting behind the fullbacks but worse with the strikers getting in between
     
  10. Wheeler Dealer

    Wheeler Dealer Well-Known Member

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    He has an uncanny knack of getting stuck in no mans land too often for my likeing. His reading of the game and positional sense are questionable. He also struggles to play a forward pass to one of his own team mates.. Other these concerns, he's an absolute steal for £10m!!
     
  11. Flashspur

    Flashspur Well-Known Member

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    prawnsandwich Well-Known Member

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  13. wishkah

    wishkah Well-Known Member

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    If you watch lloris save against Young, it's his footwork that really impresses me. Kind of like how a squash player gets back to the T, he moved so quickly before springing to make the save. Truely impressive
     
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    Wellspurs Well-Known Member

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    Some bookies offer odds on horse racing "without the favourite"... I think we are going to have to have these polls "Without Lloris"?
     
  15. ultimateloner

    ultimateloner Well-Known Member

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    tbh very worried with the chelsea game on this performance.
    They are more clinical and wont be missing so many chances.
     
  16. dannythomas

    dannythomas Well-Known Member

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    I just watched a re run of the match and I think we perfomed pretty well. Townsend was busy and effective in the first half and we did have a few half chances though clearly United had more . But the second half was a different story, particularly the last 20 minutes where we were completely dominant. United are a good team and we were in my view deserving of the draw.
    I think criticism of Townsend, Fazio , Chiriches and Davies is largely unfair. Chiriches saved us with a superb blocking challenge preventing a certain goal and Fazio was lion hearted at both ends of the pitch.
    Lloris made 2 or 3 great saves but he did get lucky with the Van Persie save . For me Kane was our stand out player ,strong, clever and the pass to put Mason in on goal was perfection.
     
  17. sloth

    sloth Well-Known Member

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    Utd are like a deluxe West Ham. For whatever reason - perhaps weakness in defence and midfield? - LVG has clearly decided the best way to take advantage of his formidable front four (RVP, Falcao, Rooney, Mata), is to have five across the middle and just get the defence to pump it forward, the idea being that superior numbers in the middle third means the knock-downs are collected, and if they're not we have possession in tight areas and deep in our own third. If they do get possession in our half then we're in trouble with their forwards and our high press.

    Poch seemed to have his own tactic for exploiting their three at the back and it involved pairing nippy left-and-right footed Townsend with the decent passing of Chiriches. I guess the plan was to exploit the space behind Ashley Young and get at their inexperienced CBs, On the other side we had Davies and Chadli, both of whom were less likely to get behind the Utd midfield, but also less likely to be got at.

    Anyway, whatever Poch's plans in the first half they didn't work, whereas Utd's did. Not for the first time either that those tactics have given us problems in recent seasons; as I said west Ham have enjoyed some success with them too. Time and again we got caught with five six players stranded up the pitch and haring back while Utd out-numbered our rear-guard, time and again we were undone by a simply punt or chip forward.

    Second half poch showed that without even changing the personnel with a few small adjustments the tactic can be effectively nullified, in short we played a bit deeper, we got the lines to squeeze together a little better, mainly by ensuring our AM3 dropped back slightly, and our CM2 sat a bit more and all of a sudden Utd's long-balls (they're the second biggest deployer of the Long-Ball in the PL btw, after Burnley) looked aimless, and their wing-backs became superfluous. For a while it was scrappy, but gradually we wrested control of the game and at the same time our superior fitness started to kick in. By the end we were all wishing for another ten minutes, even the Spurs players who looked full of running still.

    Plenty of positives then, but also cause for concern, in particular the ease with which we nullified Utd's one dimensional play after the break illustrated the stupidity of our approach in the first half. To be charitable I'd say it's because we haven't yet got the clever leaders on the pitch to call the changes when they're warranted, or perhaps it's symptomatic of early days in the Poch regime, I'm sure others would be less generous though. On the plus side the team did show it could adapt if given the right instructions and Poch showed that he wasn't a tactical stuck-in-the-mud, and I'd prefer to end a match the way we did than to start it that way and finish lamely. In short the team gets a B grade over all, with perhaps a B+ for Effort, but we need to show greater on-pitch smarts, the team, or the coach has to find away to change things around without requiring the 15 minutes in the dressing room at HT.
     
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  18. dudu

    dudu Well-Known Member

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    Gomes - year we qualified for CL.
     
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