Ratings vs Manchester United

Discussion in 'Spurs Chat' started by Bulletspur, Oct 28, 2017.

MOTM

  1. Lloris

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  2. Toby

    16 vote(s)
    9.1%
  3. Dier

    32 vote(s)
    18.3%
  4. Verts

    23 vote(s)
    13.1%
  5. Aurier

    2 vote(s)
    1.1%
  6. Davies

    20 vote(s)
    11.4%
  7. Winks

    42 vote(s)
    24.0%
  8. Eriksen

    10 vote(s)
    5.7%
  9. Sissoko

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  10. Dele

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  11. Son

    2 vote(s)
    1.1%
  12. Dembele

    2 vote(s)
    1.1%
  13. Llorente

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Undecided

    23 vote(s)
    13.1%
  1. Bulletspur

    Bulletspur The Reasonable Advocate

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    Do you? If Dier had dealt with the ball positively then whether or not Vert was culpable would not be an issue. Dier play was lackadaisical which caused martial to say thank you very much!
     
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  2. bubble07

    bubble07 Well-Known Member

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    once again today showed dier to be a better CB then a CM

    we miss big vic
     
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  3. Pedro

    Pedro Blue & Yellow

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    Great post and analysis.

    All about the margins and what ifs. Really could have gone either way and neither team deserved to lose. If Alli goes with his left foot then we might be talking about a reverse 0-1, we didn't do much wrong.
     
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  4. Pedro

    Pedro Blue & Yellow

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    Where did you see this? Interesting to know, he was immense vs real so I found it strange that he was dropped for this massive game. Dier was brilliant today but I can't see us conceding that goal with Sanchez, that's exactly what he brings to the table to make us even better defensively, deals with the pacey attacker running behind.
     
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  5. Bus-Conductor

    Bus-Conductor SC Supporter

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    Just watched the goal again on MOTD, I think Lloris also could come out a little further a little quicker as well. So unlucky that Martial's shot bobbles over Vertonghen's leg.

    I really do think Alderweireld gets bullied too easily by Lukaku, if necessary he should just clatter him and give a foul away.

    You can see what Martial does, Vertonghen can't just follow him beyond Dier it would leave a massive hole on the left inside Davies, Martial knows this, and it's tough on Dier too, because Martial doesn't quite commit him either, he ghosts cleverly between "responsibility area" of Vertonghen and Dier, it's clever forward play. I just don't understand why Dier has sunk himself deeper than TA and JV, we are usually pretty good at holding that line (caught them twice first half I think) and why he then doesn't attack that second ball - maybe the angle deceives me and he couldn't get it, but looked look he could to me, but he seems to choose to let the ball go past him?

    Dier was good all day I thought, probably our best CB on the day, and I do think TA was almost as much, maybe even more to blame as he just does nothing, he doesn't back off far enough to pick up a knock down and doesn't commit and make it hard for Lukaku.
     
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  6. whitesocks

    whitesocks Well-Known Member

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    Fellaini did similar to us a few years ago at AT - winning a dangerous header in that AM area.
    The CBs are out of their comfort zone coming forward to challenge as they know there will be a gap behind.
    Alderweireld was clearly caught in 2 minds.
    Dier was a little slow to assess the situation, but still MOTM - he was really trying to impress today for some reason.

    If you play a DM like Dier or Wanyama, then you cut the risk of these knock-ons, but we are simply out of DMs at the moment, as Dier's first priority will be to cover for injuries/suspensions in defence.
    Wanyama is a big loss.

    Great to have Dembele back again - we actually kept possession and set up camp, for the first time in 3 games but he did not look to be moving well.

    Winks looks tired -- we've run him flat out, which is dangerous after such a long lay off - he'll want to play against RM again and deserves it, but I think he'll need a break.
     
  7. fatpiranha

    fatpiranha dismember

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    I'm happy that Dier decided to turn up today and that Winks wasn't fazed by the occasion even if he faded late on. Nobody was outstanding. MoM is a toss up between Toby and Davies who both did very well defensively if not so much going forward. I'm gonna flip a coin :unsure:.
     
  8. southlondonyiddo

    southlondonyiddo Well-Known Member

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    Would love to have seen the difference in the ratings had it finished 0-0

    Away at OT without our Talisman and focal point

    Onwards and Upwards to Wembley and Real Madrid

    COYS
     
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  9. ohtottenham!

    ohtottenham! Well-Known Member

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    Great analysis! Think Eriksen was off colour for most of the first half though, not just the first ten minutes; seemed slow in getting space for himself, seeing developing plays and reacting like he usually does. Was a different player second half - and improved further with the intro of Dembele, which gave us more strength and drive in central midfield, and allowed Eriksen more freedom.

    Shame about the goal obviously - agree that it was down to a shared responsibility among our centre backs.
     
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  10. AnotherSpursFan

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    we couldnt beat Smallings.....wtf
    Chris Smallings ...is he even any good
    Why???????
     
  11. Trix

    Trix Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget our performance and energy levels are constantly monitored and scrutinised to the hilt. The fact Son rarely makes it past 70 minutes, no matter what the score could well be down to that. I think it's a physical reason for replacing him rather than tactical, down to him running himself out of gas with his work rate(something you wouldn't want to change IMO).
     
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  12. Grapo2001

    Grapo2001 Well-Known Member

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    Is winks the new Carroll? He needs to take more risks on the ball instead of shuffling it neatly left and right and back.
     
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  13. miles_64

    miles_64 If Carlsberg did Members

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    A backline that hasn't conceded at home for 5 games.
     
  14. SugarRay

    SugarRay Well-Known Member

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    I thought Dier dealt with Lukaku quite easily really. He had a good game
     
  15. stevenqoz

    stevenqoz Well-Known Member

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    At the time a lot of people thought that Stevie Perryman was in some way smothered in his creative development by the likes of senior players like Mullery in the midfield. Winks seems very much in the Scott Parker mold....workrate, short sharp passing and efficient positional play....perhaps we can get Glenn along to work with him?
     
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  16. Trix

    Trix Well-Known Member

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    Lol.
     
  17. Shadydan

    Shadydan Well-Known Member

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    People say some really funny shit sometimes
     
  18. doctor stefan Freud

    doctor stefan Freud Well-Known Member

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    Decent post, BC. I think one of the things quite a few of us where rooting for in the summer transfer window was exactly that level of quality that we could bring on/ rotate knowing they could change the dynamics of a game when things are really tight. Kane is exceptional but another quality forward would see us arguably pick up points when the margins are so tight.
    Still don't get Sissoko but Poch's book implies he was a Levy purchase
     
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  19. doctor stefan Freud

    doctor stefan Freud Well-Known Member

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    Some funny shit sometimes. There, I just said it too. How weird
     
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  20. theShiznit

    theShiznit Well-Known Member

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    Passes the ball quicker (and at pace) than any other CM we have but all you can see is "shuffling it side to side"
    Moving the ball quicker creates gaps (even when side to side) and moves teams out of shape.
    Yet I bet you drool when Dembele drops the shoulder beats a man then waits until three more are behind the ball before passing it.

    :banghead:

    Having said that i don't think Winks is fully fit, these recent games are essentially his pre-season, (why he is fading around 70 minutes into games) when he is at full fitness and truly part of the team I expect he will be more expansive in his play.
     
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