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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Wright-Philips

    Votes: 63 17.1%
  • Toby

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Verts

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Davies

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Dier

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 24 6.5%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • Ali

    Votes: 11 3.0%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 260 70.7%
  • Kane

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Son

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Wanyama

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Winks

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    368

poc

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Aug 6, 2004
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Eriksen followed by dembele and kwp, then alli for the goal, Davies then the rest all 6's.

Eriksen is just class.
 

poc

Well-Known Member
Aug 6, 2004
3,235
3,652
The Ghost AVB Past

That was a carbon copy of many performances last season (Everton in last season's opener springs to mind. Very reminiscent of AVB's season where we would be very, very methodical, lots of possession, little tempo or wit, until Bale did something special, for Bale supplant Alli today.

For me, the next natural evolution for Poch is to manage to introduce more energy and bravery into our midfield, bringing with it some much needed tempo, incision and risk, but manage to coach that into the system, keeping cohesion and defensive discipline. I don't mean full Guardiola, or even full Klopp, all out blitz, but the balance has to shift a little away from the enormously risk averse 2 from 3 of Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, toward one of those (preferably Wanyama) and a more metronomic quick thinking, dynamic option. Or give the one formation he hasn't tried yet, 433 a go.

It was like the season had never ended really, lots of the same good and bad from last season. I know a reasonably unambitious bus park can stifle and be hard to get behind, but Dier and Dembele just does not help and is an unnecessary doubling-up of risk averse cautiousness. The passing goes to the safest option, in Dembele's case often after several touches. Alli was fucking atrocious apart from the goal, which showed his trade mark clever movement and good finish. I just do not buy the whole "it's the sloppy crap that makes him who he is" bollocks. I really can't see an uber club tolerating 80% of what he does, unless they convert to an all out second striker role, which is pretty much what he is for us most of the time effectively.

Eriksen was, as he often is, the real difference maker, 61 passes is great for an AM, but he manages to include the most sublime pass of the game in that tally, which opened up the obdurate defence that had become even less ambitious down to ten men. As he mostly is, our MOTM.

KWP had a very competent debut, there's more to come from this kid in an attacking and play game play sense, but as a debut, this was pretty much foot perfect, defensively sound and offensively supportive, stuck in a couple of decent crosses too and if our CM's could bypass A and go straight to option B, we might have seen more of him offensively as he was constantly in acres of space second half.

Individual

Lloris - Par

KWP - Very good debut.

Alderweireld - OK

Vertonghen - OK

Davies - Took his goal well, apart from that pretty standard.

Dier - Did a lot of pointing. There were times when people were looking for an out ball and he'd just be standing there. Pointing.

Dembele - Twisted and turned a bit.

Sissoko - We need to get him out of the shop window, it's killing his price.

Alli - fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, goal, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, subbed out.

Eriksen - I shudder to think what we'd be without him. More of the same from him. 61 passes and two assists, one superb one.

Kane - If Janssen had a game like this it would be "we've got to sign a striker who can do the business in games like this". He worked hard enough, was unlucky not to score, but it was the type of performance I've seen Janssen emulate and bring howls of derision. He was OK. Needed to get his head up a couple of times.
Honestly your expectations of footballers are ridiculous, I do not know if you were once a budding pro or secretly u are Glenn but footballers are human not robots, not only that but there are 11 (sometimes 10:)) opposition trying to stop u playing. If we were as good as you seem to want each individual to be we'd be better than barca and rm. I don't know maybe it's my view on things that are wrong but to me it looks like you need to get some perspective. (I agree with your Eriksen comment).
 

BringBack_leGin

Well-Known Member
Jul 28, 2004
27,719
54,929
The Ghost AVB Past

That was a carbon copy of many performances last season (Everton in last season's opener springs to mind. Very reminiscent of AVB's season where we would be very, very methodical, lots of possession, little tempo or wit, until Bale did something special, for Bale supplant Alli today.

For me, the next natural evolution for Poch is to manage to introduce more energy and bravery into our midfield, bringing with it some much needed tempo, incision and risk, but manage to coach that into the system, keeping cohesion and defensive discipline. I don't mean full Guardiola, or even full Klopp, all out blitz, but the balance has to shift a little away from the enormously risk averse 2 from 3 of Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, toward one of those (preferably Wanyama) and a more metronomic quick thinking, dynamic option. Or give the one formation he hasn't tried yet, 433 a go.

It was like the season had never ended really, lots of the same good and bad from last season. I know a reasonably unambitious bus park can stifle and be hard to get behind, but Dier and Dembele just does not help and is an unnecessary doubling-up of risk averse cautiousness. The passing goes to the safest option, in Dembele's case often after several touches. Alli was fucking atrocious apart from the goal, which showed his trade mark clever movement and good finish. I just do not buy the whole "it's the sloppy crap that makes him who he is" bollocks. I really can't see an uber club tolerating 80% of what he does, unless they convert to an all out second striker role, which is pretty much what he is for us most of the time effectively.

Eriksen was, as he often is, the real difference maker, 61 passes is great for an AM, but he manages to include the most sublime pass of the game in that tally, which opened up the obdurate defence that had become even less ambitious down to ten men. As he mostly is, our MOTM.

KWP had a very competent debut, there's more to come from this kid in an attacking and play game play sense, but as a debut, this was pretty much foot perfect, defensively sound and offensively supportive, stuck in a couple of decent crosses too and if our CM's could bypass A and go straight to option B, we might have seen more of him offensively as he was constantly in acres of space second half.

Individual

Lloris - Par

KWP - Very good debut.

Alderweireld - OK

Vertonghen - OK

Davies - Took his goal well, apart from that pretty standard.

Dier - Did a lot of pointing. There were times when people were looking for an out ball and he'd just be standing there. Pointing.

Dembele - Twisted and turned a bit.

Sissoko - We need to get him out of the shop window, it's killing his price.

Alli - fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, goal, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, subbed out.

Eriksen - I shudder to think what we'd be without him. More of the same from him. 61 passes and two assists, one superb one.

Kane - If Janssen had a game like this it would be "we've got to sign a striker who can do the business in games like this". He worked hard enough, was unlucky not to score, but it was the type of performance I've seen Janssen emulate and bring howls of derision. He was OK. Needed to get his head up a couple of times.

Agree in the most part but would point out Alli's key involvement in goal number 2 and also Kane's involvement in both. My point? Even when bumbling (and I agree they were, especially Dele) they are difference makers.

Also, Benitez is a cock. He sends out players with the clear remit of winding up Dele and roughing us up, then says Kane should have seen red? Kane's tackle was perfect and shouldn't have even been a free kick, never mind a booking. We'd be applauding that challenge 20 years ago.
 

Bus-Conductor

SC Supporter
Oct 19, 2004
39,837
50,713
I was all set to agree with you until the old guff about Janssen. Guff.

I think the point I am labouring is that if Janssen has a game like that (missing sitters etc) it's "he's shit" but if Kane does it's "Kane having an off day". In terms of their all round game play there's really not much in it, and I reckon in this team if played every week Janssen would probably hit 20 goals a season. Kane will hit 25-29 though and that's why he's rightly first choice, but I think Janssen is an ok back up until we can afford to spend £50m and pay the sort of wages to convince another top quality striker to sit on our bench.
 

SirHarryHotspur

Well-Known Member
Aug 9, 2017
5,007
7,434
Time for Sissoko to go, should have been fired up against former club but was pretty poor. Not a great game but its the result that counts . Roll on Chelsea looks like a near 80000 crowd on ticket sales so far.
 

dricha1

Well-Known Member
Jul 26, 2005
1,311
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The Ghost AVB Past

That was a carbon copy of many performances last season (Everton in last season's opener springs to mind. Very reminiscent of AVB's season where we would be very, very methodical, lots of possession, little tempo or wit, until Bale did something special, for Bale supplant Alli today.

For me, the next natural evolution for Poch is to manage to introduce more energy and bravery into our midfield, bringing with it some much needed tempo, incision and risk, but manage to coach that into the system, keeping cohesion and defensive discipline. I don't mean full Guardiola, or even full Klopp, all out blitz, but the balance has to shift a little away from the enormously risk averse 2 from 3 of Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, toward one of those (preferably Wanyama) and a more metronomic quick thinking, dynamic option. Or give the one formation he hasn't tried yet, 433 a go.

It was like the season had never ended really, lots of the same good and bad from last season. I know a reasonably unambitious bus park can stifle and be hard to get behind, but Dier and Dembele just does not help and is an unnecessary doubling-up of risk averse cautiousness. The passing goes to the safest option, in Dembele's case often after several touches. Alli was fucking atrocious apart from the goal, which showed his trade mark clever movement and good finish. I just do not buy the whole "it's the sloppy crap that makes him who he is" bollocks. I really can't see an uber club tolerating 80% of what he does, unless they convert to an all out second striker role, which is pretty much what he is for us most of the time effectively.

Eriksen was, as he often is, the real difference maker, 61 passes is great for an AM, but he manages to include the most sublime pass of the game in that tally, which opened up the obdurate defence that had become even less ambitious down to ten men. As he mostly is, our MOTM.

KWP had a very competent debut, there's more to come from this kid in an attacking and play game play sense, but as a debut, this was pretty much foot perfect, defensively sound and offensively supportive, stuck in a couple of decent crosses too and if our CM's could bypass A and go straight to option B, we might have seen more of him offensively as he was constantly in acres of space second half.

Individual

Lloris - Par

KWP - Very good debut.

Alderweireld - OK

Vertonghen - OK

Davies - Took his goal well, apart from that pretty standard.

Dier - Did a lot of pointing. There were times when people were looking for an out ball and he'd just be standing there. Pointing.

Dembele - Twisted and turned a bit.

Sissoko - We need to get him out of the shop window, it's killing his price.

Alli - fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, goal, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, subbed out.

Eriksen - I shudder to think what we'd be without him. More of the same from him. 61 passes and two assists, one superb one.

Kane - If Janssen had a game like this it would be "we've got to sign a striker who can do the business in games like this". He worked hard enough, was unlucky not to score, but it was the type of performance I've seen Janssen emulate and bring howls of derision. He was OK. Needed to get his head up a couple of times.

I do enjoy your write ups BC, but honestly believe you'd not realise how good Alli is until he's gone. He's young and will get better.

Back to the match I thought it was a cagey, typical first match fare, against a wily manager and newly promoted team. I think we managed it well, and most players were at worse a 6 with special mention to Eriksen, KWP and Davies. The latter two making it a bit easier to forget about KW and Rose. Hope KWP does well this season he shows more intelligence than Walker, and put some decent balls in today.
 

jonathanhotspur

Loose Cannon
Jun 28, 2009
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I think the point I am labouring is that if Janssen has a game like that (missing sitters etc) it's "he's shit" but if Kane does it's "Kane having an off day". In terms of their all round game play there's really not much in it, and I reckon in this team if played every week Janssen would probably hit 20 goals a season. Kane will hit 25-29 though and that's why he's rightly first choice, but I think Janssen is an ok back up until we can afford to spend £50m and pay the sort of wages to convince another top quality striker to sit on our bench.
I have to stop you there. You are making a bad situation worse.
 

jonathanhotspur

Loose Cannon
Jun 28, 2009
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I gave it to Dembele.
Did he want it, Sir?
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John48

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Aug 31, 2015
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KWP had a great debut, but I gave it to Eriksen, because he continually putting good ball & trying to open them up.
 

Bus-Conductor

SC Supporter
Oct 19, 2004
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Agree in the most part but would point out Alli's key involvement in goal number 2 and also Kane's involvement in both. My point? Even when bumbling (and I agree they were, especially Dele) they are difference makers.

Also, Benitez is a cock. He sends out players with the clear remit of winding up Dele and roughing us up, then says Kane should have seen red? Kane's tackle was perfect and shouldn't have even been a free kick, never mind a booking. We'd be applauding that challenge 20 years ago.

Sorry mate, but I think Kane's was a yellow all day long, he took the ball but then went through the bloke, other way round I want the foul and card, they are the sort of challenges that can do damage.

And lets also be honest here, I'm not sure Benitez instructed them to wind Alli up, Alli does a reasonable job of that himself, that's OK, I don't mind that as long as it doesn't cost us.
 

ebzrascal

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Sep 13, 2009
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Have to say disappointed to see comments regarding Sissoko today I thought he did well especially in the first half and linked up and kept th shape of the team well. He is not a starter when everyone is fit but showed he can be a useful member of the squad. I am sure he setup a onetwo opportunity in the first half breaking from deep that should have been returned to him as he would have been wide open.
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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If we can cash in on sissoko in the next couple of weeks then we should sadly he just doesn't fit into our team, never looks on anyone elses wavelength.
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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Don't think there is much to say about that really. We shunned the script titled 'Lets go out, blow them away, and put on a show to kick off the season' and instead went for the alternative 'feel your way into the season, keep the ball, eventually we'll break them down'.

And it pretty much went to said script. The first half was ultra cautious, we didn't get out of first gear and I'm not sure at times we were even trying to attack and possibly even score a goal. Apart from a few brief spells it settled into a game of our possession-ball against their defensive structure. The second half started with a bit of niggle, Shelvey got red carded and meant the possession vs. defence exercise became even more extreme, and the inevitable finally happened. A couple of slick moves was all we needed. At 2-0 we were happy and strolled to the finish line.

Nothing new has been discovered, well apart from that KWP, contrary to what some of the bright minds on SC have told us, isn't completely useless and that calling on a decent prospect from a decent academy doesn't signal the apocalypse.Still, its good to kick off the season with three points for once, we've had no new injuries which are often a staple of the first weekend for rusty players, and we expended as little energy as possible. Now to put some of it to good use next weekend against Chelsea...

Lloris - Called upon a few times, may as well have got the deckchair out though.

KWP - What a surprise, he did ok. Competent in defence, solid but understandably cautious with the ball. Look it's one game and he's got to build on that, but he's shown a glimpse that playing him is not the catastrophe that some said it would be and he should be happy with how his debut went. There is more to come - his attacking and dribbling game was left in the locker today.

Alderweireld - Could have had a snooze.

Vertonghen - Ditto.

Davies - Solid, unspectacular game. Managed to pop up in the right place to bundle home the second goal.

Dier - A couple of decent bits of mopping up, but fairly redundant in this game.

Dembele - Ok. With the ball did his usual thing. A few times didn't think he covered the ground very well.

Sissoko - Don't get me started.....

Eriksen - As usual, the one with the extra quality to pick the lock. Great ball for Alli, and then heavily involved for the second goal.

Alli - Anyone who harboured hopes of a more consistent player for 17/18 will be disappointed in this first outing. His general play was as usual extremely erratic... Unneeded flicks here, slowing the game down unnecessarily there, giving the ball away more times than you'd want...

Yet get him in that penalty area, and there are few in the world better. Things change, he comes alive and his instinct, timing of runs and finding space is superb and his composure to finish just tops it all off. That was a much better finish than it may have looked.

Kane - Worked fairly hard, but a couple of disappointing misses. Loved his disguised through ball though.

Subs:
Son - Didn't do a huge amount, but his footballing instinct and movement was several billion leagues above Sissoko's blundering about.

Wanyama - got some minutes...

Winks - n/a.
 

bigpalacios

Well-Known Member
Jun 7, 2009
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6,980
The Ghost AVB Past

That was a carbon copy of many performances last season (Everton in last season's opener springs to mind. Very reminiscent of AVB's season where we would be very, very methodical, lots of possession, little tempo or wit, until Bale did something special, for Bale supplant Alli today.

For me, the next natural evolution for Poch is to manage to introduce more energy and bravery into our midfield, bringing with it some much needed tempo, incision and risk, but manage to coach that into the system, keeping cohesion and defensive discipline. I don't mean full Guardiola, or even full Klopp, all out blitz, but the balance has to shift a little away from the enormously risk averse 2 from 3 of Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, toward one of those (preferably Wanyama) and a more metronomic quick thinking, dynamic option. Or give the one formation he hasn't tried yet, 433 a go.

It was like the season had never ended really, lots of the same good and bad from last season. I know a reasonably unambitious bus park can stifle and be hard to get behind, but Dier and Dembele just does not help and is an unnecessary doubling-up of risk averse cautiousness. The passing goes to the safest option, in Dembele's case often after several touches. Alli was fucking atrocious apart from the goal, which showed his trade mark clever movement and good finish. I just do not buy the whole "it's the sloppy crap that makes him who he is" bollocks. I really can't see an uber club tolerating 80% of what he does, unless they convert to an all out second striker role, which is pretty much what he is for us most of the time effectively.

Eriksen was, as he often is, the real difference maker, 61 passes is great for an AM, but he manages to include the most sublime pass of the game in that tally, which opened up the obdurate defence that had become even less ambitious down to ten men. As he mostly is, our MOTM.

KWP had a very competent debut, there's more to come from this kid in an attacking and play game play sense, but as a debut, this was pretty much foot perfect, defensively sound and offensively supportive, stuck in a couple of decent crosses too and if our CM's could bypass A and go straight to option B, we might have seen more of him offensively as he was constantly in acres of space second half.

Individual

Lloris - Par

KWP - Very good debut.

Alderweireld - OK

Vertonghen - OK

Davies - Took his goal well, apart from that pretty standard.

Dier - Did a lot of pointing. There were times when people were looking for an out ball and he'd just be standing there. Pointing.

Dembele - Twisted and turned a bit.

Sissoko - We need to get him out of the shop window, it's killing his price.

Alli - fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, goal, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, subbed out.

Eriksen - I shudder to think what we'd be without him. More of the same from him. 61 passes and two assists, one superb one.

Kane - If Janssen had a game like this it would be "we've got to sign a striker who can do the business in games like this". He worked hard enough, was unlucky not to score, but it was the type of performance I've seen Janssen emulate and bring howls of derision. He was OK. Needed to get his head up a couple of times.
Im sorry but last season we had plenty of incisive play. We ripped many a team to fucking shreds.

It's the first game of the season and we are not in full flight yet.

We won comfortably.

Go take some codeine and chill the fuck out.
 
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