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Match Ratings Ratings vs Newport County (Part 2)

MOTM

  • Vorm

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Aurier

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Toby

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Foyth

    Votes: 13 5.2%
  • Rose

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Wanyama

    Votes: 4 1.6%
  • Winks

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 6 2.4%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 203 80.9%
  • Son

    Votes: 15 6.0%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 5 2.0%
  • Dele

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Walker Peters

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Poch

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    251

kaz Hirai

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He is always that bad, I genuinely don’t understand why people think differently, his performances are pretty much identical for every game, he had an uptick in form for a few weeks and played well in the Madrid game but other than that every single performance of his has been a 3 or lower, more often than not, lower.

I have no idea why people get so bloody defensive about the whole thing, I don’t dislike the bloke he just isn’t a very good footballer and yes, he was the worst player on the pitch tonight as far as I am concerned, his constant miscontrol of the ball and running down blind alleys is infuriating, Llorente was cutting a very very close second though.

Hyperbolic I'm afraid to say he was 3 out of 10
 

fortworthspur

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He is always that bad, I genuinely don’t understand why people think differently, his performances are pretty much identical for every game, he had an uptick in form for a few weeks and played well in the Madrid game but other than that every single performance of his has been a 3 or lower, more often than not, lower.

I have no idea why people get so bloody defensive about the whole thing, I don’t dislike the bloke he just isn’t a very good footballer and yes, he was the worst player on the pitch tonight as far as I am concerned, his constant miscontrol of the ball and running down blind alleys is infuriating, Llorente was cutting a very very close second though.

its the hyperbole - worst player in a Spurs shirt since Rebrov? half the squad 10 years ago wouldnt sniff a spot on the bench today. They looked ok then because we sucked. I agree he is probably our poorest technical player but he isnt close to the "worst" in 14 years.
 

Hazardousman

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What he probably doesn't realise is that giving Sissoko that mark questions the credibility of his other ratings. No way does Sissoko deserve a lower rating than Lloriante and a few others.
Bullet, the fact that you stated in the op that people should focus their attention on Llorente instead of Sissoko before anybody had even given ratings just tells me you are trying to deflect.

I have no idea why but I have a feeling it might be because a few on here are getting a little upset that Sissoko is constantly being criticised, they think it’s a personal attack against him and feel the need to defend him.

Well I hate to tell you, it’s not a contrarian viewpoint to think he is a bad footballer or that he has played badly for us, this is actually the only place I see people actually suggesting he has done well for us, I can’t understand why some are not seeing it, it’s not even debatable at this point really.

I mean, I can take your point about how it was close tonight because Llorente was shockingly bad but still match ratings are a matter of opinion.

I don’t want to derail anyway about Sissoko, it was a good performance, we are through to the next round, that’s that.
 

Bulletspur

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Not Sissoko bashing but who else played worse than Sissoko tonight apart from Llorente? I thought Winks and Wanyama were average at best but both were better.

I know Sissoko ‘haters’ often get accused of scapegoating but sometimes I think the opposite is happening with the ‘lovers’. They want him to do well so badly that they’re seeing things that aren’t there. Purely based on tonight’s game, he misplaced lots of easy passes and miscontrolled the ball several times. Almost all of his crosses from wide were low and didn’t beat the first man. The cross for the goal was decent and looked like it was going to Lamela if the defender hadn’t put it in but there weren’t many other positives tonight.

Llorente was poor tonight. I feel sorry for him because he’s shown over the years how good a footballer he is but when you’re back-up to Kane and never get minutes, plus the fact we never play to his strengths when he does play, it’s sad to see how poor he is with us now.

Everyone else bar Winks and Wanyama, who I thought were average at best, played well. Lamela my motm. Aurier & Son very good, subs played well too. Foyth looked good too bar that one shit pass first half. Good to have Toby and Rose back.
I am not a Sissoko fan but I think as spurs player he is unfairly targeted by his haters. In my book you hate one of our players, you are not supporting the club. Saying that I agree that he is a poor player with very limited skills but Poch obviously has a prt for him in this team, so I will back him. One thing you cannot question is his industry, which sometimes games are crying out for. Not saying he was better than Wanyama or Winks on the night, but he was more visible as he didn't hide and was all over the pitch helping others.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Hard to be moved by any of that really. Newport are a pub team. Our ability to piss in opportunity's mouth repeatedly is a worry. We fucked away several good chances against Utd, wasted a 1v1 and penalty v Liverpool and missed a fuck load tonight as well as wasting numerous other situations.

Wanyama was the galvanising factor for me in that first half, took the game by the scruff of the neck, not only competing in those early minutes when they were having a huff and puff at pressing us, but also was the one that got on the ball and pushed us forwards (thinking about it, it was actually his pass that put Eriksen in behind that led to our first goal against Liverpool) it was his vertical ball to Son that initiated the second goal tonight too. Good run out for Wanyama, great to have him back firing.

Winks was a bit disappointing. Played a lot of passes two yards straight back to the guy that passed to him, and what he does when we don't have the ball still needs work. But then the kid's yet to play a consecutive set of games, and this was another "first game back after a while out" so early days.

Lamela clearly had moments, but I thought he fucked about a bit too.

Son started off fucking about but then got better when he remembered he doesn't have to try and be Harry Kane and shoot from every fucking where.

Aurier and Rose were involved but gave us very little of quality in terms of producing anything composed in the final third. KWP looked more purposeful and sure footed going forward in his 6 minute cameo.

Foyth and TA were OK, but then the opposition offered almost nothing offensively so I'd be worried if they weren't.

Hey ho.
 

Hazardousman

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its the hyperbole - worst player in a Spurs shirt since Rebrov? half the squad 10 years ago wouldnt sniff a spot on the bench today. They looked ok then because we sucked. I agree he is probably our poorest technical player but he isnt close to the "worst" in 14 years.

Name me a player Sissoko has been more productive than in goals and assists in his role in the last 10 years then?

If there is a player less productive then I honestly cannot remember it, it’s not hyperbole at all, Sissoko has been shockingly bad since we purchased him to the point that in most games he has played we may as well have had 10 men on the pitch.
 

fortworthspur

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Name me a player Sissoko has been more productive than in goals and assists in his role in the last 10 years then?

If there is a player less productive then I honestly cannot remember it, it’s not hyperbole at all, Sissoko has been shockingly bad since we purchased him to the point that in most games he has played we may as well have had 10 men on the pitch.

Dembele, this year. But its not really fair to limit the discussion to goals and assists. Sissoko has never been billed as a pure attacking midfielder and plays other roles.
 

Hazardousman

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I am not a Sissoko fan but I think as spurs player he is unfairly targeted by his haters. In my book you hate one of our players, you are not supporting the club. Saying that I agree that he is a poor player with very limited skills but Poch obviously has a prt for him in this team, so I will back him. One thing you cannot question is his industry, which sometimes games are crying out for. Not saying he was better than Wanyama or Winks on the night, but he was more visible as he didn't hide and was all over the pitch helping others.

Oh get out of here with that nonsense, utterly ridiculous and redundant statement, nobody hates him, as a matter of fact I see many of the people criticising him saying how hard he works and how he seems like a genuine guy.

And criticising a player for not being good enough is not “Not supporting the club” as a matter of fact it’s the polar opposite because we want the best for the club and the best for the club is to be successful and have a team of 11 players who are at, or close to, the same level of quality.

Sissoko isn’t good enough to play for Tottenham, that isn’t “hate” that isn’t “not supporting the club” that is a damn fact based on his performances since joining us.

This is how I know the people defending those performances are more wrapped up in defending the man than they are the player and are letting emotion overrule their logic.
 

bomberH

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I am not a Sissoko fan but I think as spurs player he is unfairly targeted by his haters. In my book you hate one of our players, you are not supporting the club. Saying that I agree that he is a poor player with very limited skills but Poch obviously has a prt for him in this team, so I will back him. One thing you cannot question is his industry, which sometimes games are crying out for. Not saying he was better than Wanyama or Winks on the night, but he was more visible as he didn't hide and was all over the pitch helping others.

I agree with some of this. His industry has never been in question for me but as you know, with no end product, a lot of his hard work is undone almost seconds later.

I think it’s important to remember there’s a big difference between having a go at him online and booing him at a match. I never boo anyone in our shirt and never will. Constructive criticism online is a whole different issue and has nothing to do with not supporting the club. Booing at a match often affects players negatively which in turn can affect his performance and the result of a match, therefore you’d be right in saying you are not supporting the team. If I’m ever sat next to someone booing, i let them know in no uncertain terms what I think of them.
 

Hazardousman

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Dembele, this year. But its not really fair to limit the discussion to goals and assists. Sissoko has never been billed as a pure attacking midfielder and plays other roles.

Oh come on now, I agree it’s unfair to just base a player on their goals and assists but Dembele is far more productive in terms of what he brings to the team than Sissoko is and he retains the ball far better than Sissoko ever could.

Also, Dembele has been one of our best players in recent seasons, last season he was utterly mesmerising at times, can you remember a time since Sissoko joining where he has been like that?
 

Bus-Conductor

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What Pochettino is doing picking Sissoko is anyone's guess. When you think of the players that haven't been able to get a fucking break in this side - it's utterly baffling. It's been a long time since I've seen a player so technically deficient at this level.
 

rambu

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Actually don't think Lamela had that good a game, due to the bus they parked there's just not much room for him to create many real threats...maybe I was expecting too much too soon but great to see him scored the first of the season.

Foyth has a grace about his movement, but his confident or borderline arrogant made a few white knuckle moments, especially in the early part of the game. Look forward to see him grow.

No. 2 of Newport County...looked up in FIFA, 85 strength, 96 aggression...about right.

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fortworthspur

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Oh come on now, I agree it’s unfair to just base a player on their goals and assists but Dembele is far more productive in terms of what he brings to the team than Sissoko is and he retains the ball far better than Sissoko ever could.

Also, Dembele has been one of our best players in recent seasons, last season he was utterly mesmerising at times, can you remember a time since Sissoko joining where he has been like that?


I didnt say Sissoko was better than Dembele - I answered your question about productivity based on goals and assists. He's doing better than Winks, too, btw.

But worse players in the past? Chimbo, Saltieri, Tiano, Taarabt, Gilberto and so on. Jamie Ohara was a mainstay for a coupla seasons.
 

Hazardousman

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I agree with some of this. His industry has never been in question for me but as you know, with no end product, a lot of his hard work is undone almost seconds later.

I think it’s important to remember there’s a big difference between having a go at him online and booing him at a match. I never boo anyone in our shirt and never will. Constructive criticism online is a whole different issue and has nothing to do with not supporting the club. Booing at a match often affects players negatively which in turn can affect his performance and the result of a match, therefore you’d be right in saying you are not supporting the team. If I’m ever sat next to someone booing, i let them know in no uncertain terms what I think of them.

I do agree with you on booing, although I haven’t heard anybody booing Sissoko at games, for the most part fans only really boo when they feel players haven’t put the required effort in.

I can say, hand on heart, Sissoko does put effort in, I can’t knock him for that at all.
 

bomberH

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I do agree with you on booing, although I haven’t heard anybody booing Sissoko at games, for the most part fans only really boo when they feel players haven’t put the required effort in.

I can say, hand on heart, Sissoko does put effort in, I can’t knock him for that at all.

I haven’t heard him booed either yet. A few moans & groans but no booing. I’m sure there were others beforehand but my first memory of proper booing was at Ramon Vega and i was horrified. Sol Campbell even had a go at the crowd mid match (when we all loved him of course....!). There have been a few since and i always tell them to shut up or slightly glare at them if they’re bigger than me.
 

Hazardousman

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I didnt say Sissoko was better than Dembele - I answered your question about productivity based on goals and assists. He's doing better than Winks, too, btw.

But worse players in the past? Chimbo, Saltieri, Tiano, Taarabt, Gilberto and so on. Jamie Ohara was a mainstay for a coupla seasons.

Chimbo wasn’t a bad footballer, neither was Jaime Ohara, Taarabt had talent but it was wasted because of his own lack of desire and ego.

I mean,Taino was more productive as well.

I mean yes, you could argue about players over the years and pick ones out that are likely as bad or close but I genuinely can’t remember watching a footballer the way I do with Sissoko and questioning how he has managed to make it as a premier league footballer.
 

Hazardousman

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Rebrov was a cracking little footballer, badly managed by Hoddle.

He actually wasn’t a bad footballer I agree, he was just bad for us and yes, it was likely down to mismanagement tbh.

Once Graham had gone it was curtains for him basically.
 

Singayid

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Special mention to SC's very own @cliff jones

Looking very sprightly for 83 years young - apparently Poch's got up front for Rochdale cos he's got better movement than Llorente :smug:








(ok, ok, fuck off I know he was left wing)
 
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