Ratings vs Palace

Discussion in 'Match Ratings Archive' started by Bulletspur, Dec 6, 2014.

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  1. Lloris

  2. Dier

  3. Fazio

  4. Verts

  5. Davies

  6. Lamela

  7. Bentaleb

  8. Mason

  9. Eriksen

  10. Kane

  11. Soldado

  12. Chadli

  13. Paulinho

  14. Lennon

  15. Undecided

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  1. Bus-Conductor

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  2. danielneeds

    danielneeds Kick-Ass

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    The blame should never fall on one player - ever. It's always the manager's job to pick the right team. I'll never fault Lamela's effort, but his decision making at the moment is that of a small child that's wandered
    on the pitch.
     
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  3. mpickard2087

    mpickard2087 Fantastic Member

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    I've got very little sympathy with Poch, if he keeps up these brainless selections and tactics then my patience is going to rapidly wear thin. He's not helping himself here, he's certainly not helping us.

    His tactics are not the result of joined up thinking, and if he feels that he is picking a team that can go out and win football matches then I worry. Yet again we got a 4-2-3-1/4-4-2 variant with no width and ultra conservative (non) fullbacks. Unsurprisingly we then get ultra narrow and very easy to defend against. When you ally to that awful movement and tempo, caused by what looked like a number of exhausted players, we were served up slow, narrow, static, sterile possession-ball of the worst kind.

    Poch has to wake up and realise this. Yes we also lack pace, as well as width, and so to some Lennon may have seemed the logical answer (he isn't though) but he could have even instructed the players out there to stay wide and make the pitch bigger, commit defenders and try to open up space in other areas. Instead we just seem preoccupied with trying to play tippy-tappy stuff and waltz through the defence within the width of the centre circle. It isn't going to happen.

    The team looked like an absolute rabble. No pressing game, no fight, slow aimless passing along the defence, no organisation... It's not even worth writing about. Everyone just has to do better. Yeah some of them were tired maybe, most noticeably the Bentaleb-Mason-Kane triumvirate which affected our ability to play, but the ones who were fresh though were arguably the ones who stunk the joint out the most and so I'm not completely buying the tiredness excuse. At no point did any of our players look like standing up and taking any responsibility.

    One more random observation, there were 20+ (I gave up counting at 20...) times where a Spurs player, in time and space, aimlessly headed a ball back up in the air and almost always turned over the ball. All that was needed was a call from a team mate to take it down and get us playing again... How is this happening? These are professional players who work together every day, and yet can't apparently communicate. Its minute stuff like this that annoys me, because its preventable yet take all these 'small faults', and there's a lot of them, and they just add to the dysfunction. I wish I had the chance to go through a game with the coaches and players, highlight all these occasions and interrogate them as to why amateurish shit like it was happening. Someone needs to call them out on the little things, baby steps first before we try any big changes...

    Fucking woeful. Must do better.

    Lloris - After his blip midweek came back with an absolute stormer that saved us, again. Deserves better, I'd advise him to leave.

    Dier - Yeah he did back off, which was annoying, but I thought he shepherded Bolasie ok. It wasnt as if he got mugged off really, he just conceded a lot of corners. Zaha was the one who caused him problems on occasion. Second half he was totally hung out to dry by Eriksen though and had little help. I blame Poch more than this kid, its as if they are trying their best to ruin him and destroy any confidence he has left.

    Fazio - First half I thought he looked clumsy. Second half was better and some good bits of last ditch defending. Some of his distribution is aimless and pretty woeful.

    Vertonghen - Ok. Didnt really notice him tbh.

    Davies - Also ok. One good contribution in attack, otherwise offered very little and needs to be more adventurous in his positioning.

    Mason - Seems to be running out of steam a bit. Couldn't fault his effort but is starting to lack precision with what he does.

    Bentaleb - Also looked tired and second half really went into his shell and got very safe with his passes.

    Lamela - The harder he tried the worse it got...

    Kane - Game totally passed him by. Very poor. Should spend all week with his feet up. he's earned a rest.

    Eriksen - Poor game, offered very little especially in terms of defensive contribution.

    Soldado - I made my views clear earlier in the thread. Awful game.

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    Chadli - Bambi on ice. He seemed incapable of changing direction and was all arms and legs. Wrong boots on?

    Paulinho - Dumb sub from Poch if he was meant to sit and spray the ball around.

    Lennon - If he is now the saviour, we are fucked.
     
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  4. lukespurs7

    lukespurs7 Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't agree more with every single bit of this! Spot fucking on mate.

    Only exception would be Fazio, I thought he had a really good game today some tiny optimism from a whole heap of shite.
    Levy- Is not running the club well, hired bad managers, poor DOF's and wont get the stadium built and has an awful transfer structure.
    Potch- Not a good squad to work with but so far is not filling me with a huge amount of confidence given his selections etc.
    Team- So many average/poor players its unbelievable, I have never felt more disconnected or uninterested in a Spurs team, none of them excite me except Lloris and Eriksen on occasions. As you say if Lennon is our saviour we are fucked sorry but same with Kane, he's a fairly talented young striker but CB's seeing his name on the team sheet are hardly going to be shitting their pants.

    This is not a Tottenham i'm enjoying at the moment one bit.
     
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  5. mpickard2087

    mpickard2087 Fantastic Member

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    I thought Fazio had a much better second half, but first half he just seemed a bit ropey. I do like that he does some of the nitty-gritty stuff quite well, and he put in some good last ditch blocks. There were too many aimless punts forward though, they were annoying me... But then so was the sterile possession! Wasn't a good game for us...
     
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  6. trevo

    trevo Well-Known Member

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    If it hadn't have been for Hugo,Fazio and Verts we'd have lost.Does Poch have to play Paulinho so as to get a better price in Jan? I can't see any other reason for him being on the pitch. To think we got rid of Sigurdson.
     
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  7. spurs-r-us

    spurs-r-us Well-Known Member

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    Are you having a laugh?
     
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  8. lukespurs7

    lukespurs7 Well-Known Member

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    I hope he is!
     
  9. steve

    steve Well-Known Member

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    What would your side have been Pinky? Is Poch coming up short?

    JH what's your assessment of the game?
     
  10. Bus-Conductor

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    What was yours Steve ?
     
  11. Bus-Conductor

    Bus-Conductor SC Supporter

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    I know this will seem like small consolation, but this is the strangest season I can remember in terms of results. All the fish in our pool are swimming round in circles.
     
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  12. ShaunL84

    ShaunL84 Well-Known Member

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    Can't believe we got rid of Holtby and Sandro.

    Their problem was that they cared too much, if they were more like Adebayor and Dembele then Poch would have kept them and If they played like Kaboul then they would have probably been captains.

    If Lennon is our saviour then we are truly fucked.
     
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  13. stevenqoz

    stevenqoz Well-Known Member

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    Lloris 9
    Dier 5.5
    Fazio 7.5
    Vert 6
    Davis 7
    Lamela 5
    Eriksen 6
    Bentaleb 6
    Mason 5.5
    Kane 5.5
    Soldado 5
    Lennon NET
    Chadli 5.5
    Paulhino 5.5

    We were out-enthused, second, ponderous and disappointing. In truth it may sound wrong but our reliance on a 'pass pass' game made us very predictable. This was made worse by the willingness of Palace to be no nonsense at the back, committed in central midfield and almost lethal out wide on the counter attack. They will come away unaware of a reason they didn't beat us by three or four other than the obvious Lloris....and their lack of a central attacking threat.
    Our side on the day lacked players who could effectively run with the ball or dribble. This lead to 'Pass PASS'. Sticking Lamela wide right was like a ground hog day of shimmy cut inside....they spotted and dealt with very early. Our two full backs do not surge naturally (Vert has stopped) while Kane, who can dribble, looked tired and off the pace. That left us with Soldado, Eriksen, Mason, Bentaleb, Paulhino whose first instincts are all to pass not run. Chadli and Lennon, who both dribble and run with the ball came on too late when the momentum was all with Palace. a very fortunate point :(
     
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  14. guiltyparty

    guiltyparty Well-Known Member

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  15. Gilzeanking

    Gilzeanking Well-Known Member

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    OK , because we didn't concede , I see the gen idea is our defence is OK . Result led delusion IMO . How Palace failed to score
    I don't know , hit the bar of course . Our clean sheet was the result of a massive slice of luck . If one or two had gone in there'd be no 'Our defence is solid ' bollox .

    From Chelsea to Palace , other teams simply have better players . Ye Gods when did we last see Lennon(5) roaring through defences like Bolasie. The Xenophobe wanker doing commentary has really got Scers going . So much of his babble is reproduced here . We needed to go wider so Lennon on for Lamela(5) . Does anyone anywhere not remember that most of the times Lamela received the ball he was actually standing on the touchline . True he then cut in because he imagines he has no right foot , but still . Lennon last do a Bolasie type dribble down the wing and cross ? today , this season , last season , anyone ?

    I'm with BC , there must be a better right back at our club than poor old Dier (4) CB or nothing...I thought Poch(3) had learnt that , but no . Confidence being destroyed nice one Poch .

    There did seem an issue with tiredness . With all our high tec monitoring of players physical state in training etc...was noone able to spot that several players needed a rest ? Someone here said PRIOR to the match that Kane(5) was knackered ,good spot . So Poch doesn't rotate in the 3 games...does he overtrain in this period as well...seemed to not see this elephant in the room at all...complete surprise apparently . I understand he mentioned tiredness in his interview . Very good Poch ,there did seem to be some......any chance you could make this kind of dazzling analysis BEFORE the match ?

    We have several rested rotation possibilities ...but no , its all a big surprise for Poch and his high tec staff .

    Soldado (4) where to start ?..... I won't . I'd just say its really sweet how large numbers of Scers support his struggles regardless of everything they see .

    Lloris played well(7) end ratings on a positive eh .

    Overall then , appalling match . Biggest loser is undoubtably Poch...doing a horrible impression of being clueless .
     
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  16. JimmyG2

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    Lennon was certainly part of the answer against Everton.
    With Chiriches he did provide width and made space inside.
    But he needs to be on much sooner to be effective.
    I would still prefer Rose over Davies though improved
    because of his positive outlook.
    He always looks to go forward. Davies usually looks to go back.
    The negative passing amongst our back line was woeful.

    I think this game answers those advocates of
    'Never change a winning team' which was raised last week.
    Needed fresh legs and more experience against Chelsea in midweek
    and save Kane and Mason and maybe Bentaleb for Palace.
     
  17. sim0n

    sim0n King of Prussia

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    add Vertonghen, Eriksen, and Chadli to the good list IMHO.

    Fazio had his best game to date as a Spurs player. Lloris saved their arses yet again and was MotM.

    2 positives:

    1- clean sheet
    2- only 5 points from 3rd place in the premier league (somehow...)
     
  18. Blake Griffin

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    come on bc, if you wanted to slurp capoue and bash lennon some more you don't have to hide it behind a load of fluff.
     
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  19. BringBack_leGin

    BringBack_leGin I BELIEVE

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    Lloris saved us again and I'll miss him when he's gone.

    Dier is not a right back and again it showed with his inability to stop attacks down his flank, and his inability to contribute to attacks down his flank. Could have done with some protection, unfortunately the manager saw fit not to give him any.

    Fazio was very good. Composed, read the game well, won everything in the air and made some important tackles.

    Vertonghen was okay, solid enough though struggled with Chamakh's physicality on a few occasions.

    Davies was fine defensively, and fought very well when he needed to. He passed forward pretty well too, definitely growing on me.

    Mason was disciplined and worked very hard, making a few good tackles too. He tried to break forward a couple of times but to no effect. Doesn't help when all in front of him were dreadful.

    Bentaleb made a few good interceptions and was okay defensively, but going forward he struggled (albeit he did attempt to create a bit of space on a few occasions). His show from 45 yards when he had no fewer than six attacking options in front of him was infuriating though.

    Lamela was absolutely dreadful and deservedly subbed. Offered no protection to Dier, was unable to create anything and was dispossessed constantly. Losing patience with him. For all his talent and effort, it just isn't clicking, he's not even giving us a glimmer and it's not as if he's not getting consistent football. If by summer he's not performing to an acceptable standard on a consistent basis I'm going to be very worried.

    Kane had his worst performance for us. He tried, but it was all very laboured and head down stuff. Disappointing, but he has earned some patience.

    Eriksen had a couple of nice dribbles, played a few nice passes, but was unable to affect the game. Like Kane, has earned a bit of patience, but this wasn't good enough. After he was switched to the right he was completely ineffectual and picked up where Lamela left off in (not) protecting Dier.

    Soldado had our best chance from the Davies cut back and messed it up. He played one superb pass too. Other than that, he offered little. Deserves a run in the side (as the alternative has had enough chances) but must do better than this.

    Chadli came on and offered more the Lamela, he at least got the ball into the box a few times, but he did look rusty.

    Paulinho came on and was completely ineffectual, failed to produce anything in attack and took no responsibility in defence. We visibly worsened after his introduction.

    Lennon was brought on with 8 minutes to go to save a ship that had already sunk. Not his fault.
     
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  20. steve

    steve Well-Known Member

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    I'm away this weekend so didn't go. From what I saw we were lucky to get a point. More in depth than that it was the usual lack of width and guile/intelligence once we got in their defensive third.

    Every time we have a decent result and performance we get the ' Poch is great, we're starting to see the signs, that's why I wanted him ' proclamations. Until we start beating the likes of Palace, Stoke, West Brom etc at home then I think this talk needs to stop. And over egging it because people hung their hat on the manager is wearing a little thin.

    I don't accept the tiredness argument, we've a massive squad and it needs to be utilized effectively. Palace also played 3 times this week.

    The manager needs time but the jury is out. Welding yourself to a system without picking the right players for it doesn't strike me as the characteristics of a successful manager. I hope I'm wrong and I hope the manager gets time.
     
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