Ratings Vs QPR

MOM

  • Lloris

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  • Dier

    Votes: 49 10.5%
  • Kaboul

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  • Verts

    Votes: 6 1.3%
  • Rose

    Votes: 11 2.4%
  • Bentaleb

    Votes: 3 0.6%
  • Capoue

    Votes: 43 9.2%
  • Chadli

    Votes: 93 19.9%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 12 2.6%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 245 52.4%
  • Adebayor

    Votes: 6 1.3%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kane

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  • Soldado

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sloth

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Well, they're quicker to strike than cornered sloths...
Don't be ridiculous DM, have you ever known anyone to corner a sloth? Of course not, because it's a well know fact you can't corner a sloth... we're much too slick for that... one moment we're there... the next we're still there... but that's not cornered, that's just chillin' in a corner!!!
 
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I was also well behind AVB, way up to the point (and past it tbh...) when most had lost all confidence in him. But I don't think it was transfer backing that was his downfall, but his stubbornness when it came to tactics. He seemed to be totally deaf and blind to the tactical changes required, instead holding religiously to his imaginary model of the 'perfect' way of playing.

One of the encouraging things I've seen from Poch in the 1st outings is a bit more flexibility. He's touted as a manager that also wants high pressing, but against West Ham the team sat back a lot more than they would have under AVB - presumably because Poch recognised that the ball over the top was their biggest threat. I think AVB has a vision of a perfect strategy that will always work, whereas Poch (hopefully) understands that he needs to adapt the style depending on the opposition and the players at his disposal.

Or we just got pushed back by a West ham side who were pressing and passing the ball better than we were ?

Certainly if it was deliberate is wasn't working too well as they'd created a few good chances and missed a penalty.
 

steve

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I don't think anyone is getting carried away though.

And whilst Liverpool will be a much tougher test to come through, no matter the result, its still very early days.

Now I might be wrong about this, concerning your previous post and teams playing 3-5-2 against Stronger opposition are naive etc, but didn't Hull play 3-5-2 against us last season?

I can't remember if they did, but we played them twice at WHL which was 180 minutes of complete cack from our point of view.

All this down playing regarding QPR's formation and lack of pressure when we are on the ball...we still would not of seen that tempo and urgency, on and off the ball, the movement etc..last season under AVB.

So yes - QPR were poor. But the difference is we wern't poor as well - often the case last season in many of the respects I've cited.

There's a distinct difference there.

It stood out like a sore thumb.
I don't remember mentioning AVB...

I think my point was pretty clear, Sunday was good but there's a massive caveat in the way QPR not only lined up but also the way they played. We weren't poor against Sunderland either and could've won by more. But Liverpool are such a different proposition that much of what we saw against QPR just won't come to fruition. I think it'll be a very close game but will it go the way we want? I think some of our frailties defensively will be exposed which may cost us.

Just cos I want Spurs to win doesn't mean they will. And I worry that the likes of Capoue and Nabil will get overrun at times. I hope I'm wrong.
 

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I don't remember mentioning AVB...

I think my point was pretty clear, Sunday was good but there's a massive caveat in the way QPR not only lined up but also the way they played. We weren't poor against Sunderland either and could've won by more. But Liverpool are such a different proposition that much of what we saw against QPR just won't come to fruition. I think it'll be a very close game but will it go the way we want? I think some of our frailties defensively will be exposed which may cost us.

Just cos I want Spurs to win doesn't mean they will. And I worry that the likes of Capoue and Nabil will get overrun at times. I hope I'm wrong.
On the plus side now we can see what the defence is made of. Can Fazio play?
 

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I don't remember mentioning AVB...

I think my point was pretty clear, Sunday was good but there's a massive caveat in the way QPR not only lined up but also the way they played. We weren't poor against Sunderland either and could've won by more. But Liverpool are such a different proposition that much of what we saw against QPR just won't come to fruition. I think it'll be a very close game but will it go the way we want? I think some of our frailties defensively will be exposed which may cost us.

Just cos I want Spurs to win doesn't mean they will. And I worry that the likes of Capoue and Nabil will get overrun at times. I hope I'm wrong.
I assumed we were all discussing this from the point of view AVB's style and now Poch's...albeit very early day signs.

Sunderland? Not with you there Steve.

I agree, it will be a very tough game and we'll have to be fully focused that's for sure. It certainly won't be a case of us controlling it and having it all our way. We'll also have to defend very well, Coutinho's through balls to Sturridge and Sterling are the stuff of nightmares.

The things to be positive about is their defense. Lovren has to be targeted...he had a mare at the Lane last season and was responsible for two goals the other night. Their left hand side is definitely were we should be looking to cause them problems and I can see Lamela cutting in from our right flank and causing Lovren, and whoever is playing at LB for them, real problems. City exploited this perfectly. But our three floating number tens can cause them all sorts of problems with their clever movement.

To be fair both sides will feel they can hurt the other's back line.

They now have Balotelli, but no Saurez gives me a bit more confidence for sure.
 

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I assumed we were all discussing this from the point of view AVB's style and now Poch's...albeit very early day signs.

Sunderland? Not with you there Steve.

I agree, it will be a very tough game and we'll have to be fully focused that's for sure. It certainly won't be a case of us controlling it and having it all our way. We'll also have to defend very well, Coutinho's through balls to Sturridge and Sterling are the stuff of nightmares.

The things to be positive about is their defense. Lovren has to be targeted...he had a mare at the Lane last season and was responsible for two goals the other night. Their left hand side is definitely were we should be looking to cause them problems and I can see Lamela cutting in from our right flank and causing Lovren, and whoever is playing at LB for them, real problems. City exploited this perfectly. But our three floating number tens can cause them all sorts of problems with their clever movement.

To be fair both sides will feel they can hurt the other's back line.

They now have Balotelli, but no Saurez gives me a bit more confidence for sure.
I thought you read my previous posts? I mentioned sunderland in the first...

Liverpool and Spurs have similar good and bad points. I think it'll be close. But I think their midfield is better than ours which we'll negate our floating 3 from doing much floating never mind stinging...it could go either way but I think they're still more of a coherent outfit than us at this stage...

Nope not interested in any AVB discussions or comparisons, wasn't my agenda at all. Could be here all night making cases for and against. Just trying to see coherently where we are and Sunday was excellent but potentially misleading a little...
 
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I don't remember mentioning AVB...

I think my point was pretty clear, Sunday was good but there's a massive caveat in the way QPR not only lined up but also the way they played. We weren't poor against Sunderland either and could've won by more. But Liverpool are such a different proposition that much of what we saw against QPR just won't come to fruition. I think it'll be a very close game but will it go the way we want? I think some of our frailties defensively will be exposed which may cost us.

Just cos I want Spurs to win doesn't mean they will. And I worry that the likes of Capoue and Nabil will get overrun at times. I hope I'm wrong.

It will be very interesting to see what Pochettino does to redress the 433 v 4231. Last season, neither AVB nor Sherwood managed to figure out this simple mathematic equation very well.

I would love to see Pochettino surprise everyone and switch to an orthodox 433, I think it could be a very different game. If we did I don't actually think their midfield would be better, certainly not by much. If not, like you, I have my fears, especially as Liverpool's collective pressing looked so much better for so much longer of their game against (quality) ManC than ours did against (very shit) QPR.
 

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It will be very interesting to see what Pochettino does to redress the 433 v 4231. Last season, neither AVB nor Sherwood managed to figure out this simple mathematic equation very well.

I would love to see Pochettino surprise everyone and switch to an orthodox 433, I think it could be a very different game. If we did I don't actually think their midfield would be better, certainly not by much. If not, like you, I have my fears, especially as Liverpool's collective pressing looked so much better for so much longer of their game against (quality) ManC than ours did against (very shit) QPR.
Can you expand on this? Why do you think it's important to match up 433 against stronger sides, but not the reverse ie 433 doesn't need to match up 4231? Also don't you think that the formation gives a rudimentary idea of the principles, but that, for example, a Poch style 4231 will be different in personnel and application than say a TS style one? In other words, what specifically worries you about the way Poch might try to tackle Rogers' Liverpool?

Perhaps we should take this to the TA thread…
 

Mr Pink

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Can you expand on this? Why do you think it's important to match up 433 against stronger sides, but not the reverse ie 433 doesn't need to match up 4231? Also don't you think that the formation gives a rudimentary idea of the principles, but that, for example, a Poch style 4231 will be different in personnel and application than say a TS style one? In other words, what specifically worries you about the way Poch might try to tackle Rogers' Liverpool?

Perhaps we should take this to the TA thread…
Guessing...but he's probably worried that they'll press us better collectively and probably out number us in midfield.
 

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It will be very interesting to see what Pochettino does to redress the 433 v 4231. Last season, neither AVB nor Sherwood managed to figure out this simple mathematic equation very well.

I would love to see Pochettino surprise everyone and switch to an orthodox 433, I think it could be a very different game. If we did I don't actually think their midfield would be better, certainly not by much. If not, like you, I have my fears, especially as Liverpool's collective pressing looked so much better for so much longer of their game against (quality) ManC than ours did against (very shit) QPR.
Of course it did, but it's pretty obvious why. Man City had a lot more of the ball against Liverpool than QPR did against us didn't they? How would Liverpool's pressing against a team that had over 50% of the ball not look better than us 'pressing' a team that had less than 40%? Fairly simple. You think Liverpool's collective pressing was better, whatever that means, yet it allowed City to carve them open at will when they decided they wanted to.
 
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