Ratings Vs QPR

[LexingtonSpurs]

Dier was good, but he also played a horrendous pass that could've been costly, and lost Caulker on the corners on two occasions which one should have led to a goal, and the other could have. Some sloppy marking in injury time when 4-0 up is hardly a big deal, but none the less - against better teams we could've been punished for some daft play.

Yes, I think stuff like this gets lost in a blowout win. Definitely a few players who had some shaky moments that could have been punished by better teams. But, as I think I noted earlier, I saw a much better team spirit, even when there were poor passes or tackles - even when it would be easy to not care, players did not dwell on mistakes and quickly got after the ball. I liked that as much as any of the goals.

 

[ClintEastwould]

Well, that was the best we've played since 2011/12 I'd say. The players seem to have finally gotten rid of the AVB shackles and played the kind of football we all expected last season. I remember everyone creaming themselves last season at the thought of lamela eriksen and Chadli or another AM interchanging with good intelligent passing and movement. Shame it never developed but our players were clearly were a cut above QPR's, not only individually - which is what got us by last season - but also as a team. Performances like this will get the likes of vertonghen chummy and ready to sign a new contract.

Lloris - 7 not much to do

Dier - 8 couple of real good tackles and defensive play. Reliable in possession and real bullet header. Promising signs

Kaboul - 6 much improved from west ham. Couple shaky moments though

Vertonghen - 8.5 best he's looked for us since 12/13 awesome in possession and defended well

Rose - 8.5 keeping up his good form since pre season. Davies has his work cut out for him

Capoue - 8 kept things moving. Cool head in midfield

Bentaleb - 7 becoming more adventurous with his passing which I'm glad to see as I saw him as a water carrier last season for the most part. Couple of great passes but also gave away a few

Lamela - 9 best game in a spurs shirt. Clearly the most naturally talented player in our squad and is finally starting to show it

Eriksen - 8.5 was a bit worried about his form since pre season and how he'd acclimatize to pochs system but this was also one of his best performances in our shirt. No goals or assists but kept things moving passed well and showed some great skill. That touch at the end of the first half. Ugh.

Chadli - 9 as many have said in the lead up to the season, he should undoubtedly by our #1 choice for LWF/LAM. Real team player with good link up play and a presence in the box. 2 class finishes

Adebayor - 8 looked up for it. Held on to the ball well and a reliable option as a striker since Timmy brought him back



Dembele - 7 could be a real asset this season if poch can work a way around his deficiencies as he is great at what he does. Being a presence in midfield, holding onto the ball and rarely giving it away. Classic bit of indecision from him as well though

Kane - 6 nice run up the field shortly after coming on. Nothing much of note afterwards

Soldado - NET

 

[nssmuckers]

I just noticed that Capoue completed 89% of 121 passes...even in our most dominant games in 2011 with Modders and Parker I don't remember having that kind of control of the ball.

He's really a fantastic anchor, and he's especially useful because in different circumstances he can play a role where he can get forward more as well.

Thought everyone was really good today but I voted for Lamela simply because his individual aggression really made a huge difference. Players who can drag players out of position and still make a pass under pressure are incredibly valuable.

I've always also been a big Chadli fan simply because he's got a brain and incredible technique. What his issue was last season is A) he wasn't being aggressive or decisive enough and B) our team was too fucking timid to attempt anything ambitious. The team this year is willing to take more chances and it will pay dividends for smart players. I could probably make a 3 minute compilation of passes today that we simply didn't see at all under the last two managers.

Bentaleb and Dier both got away with a couple today. A better team would have punished us, but when the confidence gets going that high and you're pretty much certain to win I guess shit happens.

Overall can't think of anyone who I'd put below a 7 except maybe Kaboul who was just fine aside from their big chance. Vertonghen is also worth mentioning...dude was a fucking animal and really really wanted to score but the one-twos weren't coming off.

 

[vigospur]

I have given up trying to score individual players, the team performance was that good.
I came home thinking that Lamela was man of the match but on reflection I would plump for Chadli. Two good goals, but the pass to free Rose to set up the fourth goal was fantastic. I wonder whether his presence also contributed to a top performance from Rose.
Only one worry. I am trying not to think about Sturridge or Sterling running at Younis Kaboul.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

I just noticed that Capoue completed 89% of 121 passes...even in our most dominant games in 2011 with Modders and Parker I don't remember having that kind of control of the ball.

He's really a fantastic anchor, and he's especially useful because in different circumstances he can play a role where he can get forward more as well.

Thought everyone was really good today but I voted for Lamela simply because his individual aggression really made a huge difference. Players who can drag players out of position and still make a pass under pressure are incredibly valuable.

I've always also been a big Chadli fan simply because he's got a brain and incredible technique. What his issue was last season is A) he wasn't being aggressive or decisive enough and B) our team was too fucking timid to attempt anything ambitious. The team this year is willing to take more chances and it will pay dividends for smart players. I could probably make a 3 minute compilation of passes today that we simply didn't see at all under the last two managers.

Bentaleb and Dier both got away with a couple today. A better team would have punished us, but when the confidence gets going that high and you're pretty much certain to win I guess shit happens.

Overall can't think of anyone who I'd put below a 7 except maybe Kaboul who was just fine aside from their big chance. Vertonghen is also worth mentioning...dude was a fucking animal and really really wanted to score but the one-twos weren't coming off.

Capoue really kept the ball ticking over today a very good performance I was quite impressed with a pass he played in the second half he played the ball through to Adebayor from inside our own half from the centre circle straight through for him onto goal. So a bit of nice vision too. I also like Chadli he's come in for criticism, but he showed a bit of pace today. Great eye for goal, gets in the right places. Plays over AL and AT for me.

 

[Shanks]

For some reason, even though I don't always agree with this ratings, I do always find myself waiting for @Bus-Conductor to post his game breakdown in the ratings thread.

Did he set up his own tactical breakdown thread, or did I just dream it up?

 

[gp13tot]

just got back from the match which topped off an epic weekend in the smoke. Interesting that lamela is hands down winning the mom poll as live it didn't look that way.

lloris 7
dier 8
vertonghen 8
kaboul 7
rose 8
bentaleb 6
capoue 9
eriksen 8
lamela 7
chadli 8
adebayor 7

dembele 6
Kane 5
soldado na

 

[kaz Hirai]

lloris 7 -nice touches but really not much to do
dier 8 -amazing for someone so young
vertonghen 8 -more like it from him
kaboul 7- better than usual
rose 8 -playing how he did under avb. Solid and committed

Capoue 8 - very solid performance again
bentaleb 6 -not great but he's very very young
eriksen 7- much better than last week
lamela 8 -superb
chadli 8 - a taste of what he can do for us
adebayor 7 - kinda so so for a lot of the match but good goal

None of the subs made an impression

 

[balalasaurus]

When's the last time any of you lot gave any 9s out? It might be one game but I'm just going to go ahead and say it.





WE'VE GOT OUR TOTTENHAM BACK!!!

 

[Khilari]

I think Chadli was the clear cut MOM. Chadli scored our first goal, which is always the most important for us at home given the uneasy feeling the supporters get when we struggle to score against lower tier opposition. Chadli took his first goal really well and the finish was absolute class. His second goal was a very cool finish that helped finish off the game in the first half. He also was largely responsible for our fourth goal, as he held up the ball on the sideline and then played an awesome ball between two defenders that sprung Rose for the pass that led to the goal.

Let me also add that Vertonghen set the tone early with some fantastic challenges. His performance also shows us that we shouldn't put too much emphasis on the performance Paulinho in last Thursday's game, as Vertonghen was equally poor.

Totally agree.

Just as the game started, the guy in front of me said "Chadli? Why the hell has he picked him? He's the sort of deadwood we need to ship out."

And though I disagreed, I have to say I've been largely disappointed with his showings thus far.

But he was always looking to get into dangerous positions, runs well with the ball, heads really well and looked strong. I was most impressed by his defence splitting pass, under pressure on the near side touch line he threaded a ball between two defenders to set Danny Rose (who was excellent btw) through and Rose played a brilliant ball to Ade for our fourth.

I voted Chadli as MoM but take nothing away from how well Jan, Eric Dier, Rose and Lamela played. Great to see. The others did not disappoint either.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The Evaluation Dichotomy

So here's the thing. That was very lovely and fluffy. All our favourite boys done good and much plundering of the booty was had. There was some very nice stuff played. And it's always nice to watch a second half with a relaxed sphincter.

But…it is incredibly hard to evaluate and enthuse profusely when (yes, @scat1620 here it comes) the opposition are so poorly prepared, tactically inept and offer every player his own acreage to play in.

I haven't seen too many more inept shows than the one QPR put up today from EPL opposition.


So we have to trot out the well honed cliche "you can only stuff what's put in front of you" and we did.

There were plenty of individual positives, Lamela had an exceptionally good first half, Chadli proved resoundingly that we don't need to waste money on Remy, Eriksen had a very decent knock, Capoue once again showed what he's about (stand by for an outstanding stat), Rose was very good, the defenders individually were all good, collectively though still a a couple of worries.

Revoloution Watch

Pochettino got his team selection bang on (OK, I'd have played Soldado but no qualms with Adebayor). The subs we can nit pick, but would be pretty moot, so lets not bother.

I am a tad concerned still by the utter lack of pressing in any meaningfully cohesive or coherent way. I think many will be effusing about that performance because we scored 4 goals. But I genuinely believe we were allowed miles more ball than most will allow, and much worse, we were allowed to have it in dangerous areas with very little pressure. We'd have had to be blindfold not to make chances in that game. And here's the thing, rightly or wrongly I'm still a little miffed at the amount of situations we didn't even turn into chances because of pure sloppy carelessness, which for me was all the more unforgivable because of the complete lack of pressure on the player in some cases. Churlish ? yes. Greedy even ? Maybe.

What I also didn't like was the way we at times gave them way to much space, they were so abjectly shit they wasted it, but if they'd scored that 1v1 at 1-0 that game could have been very different.

It didn't matter in that game because QPR didn't have the wherewithal to punish a paper bag, but that's two games running now where glimpses of our two CM's being exposed by the lack of pressing from the forward 4 reared it's ugly head.

"Shut up you churlish humbug" I hear @Legend10 cry (where is he lately ?) we hammered someone, but proper games against proper teams that aren't managed by impostors will be coming soon.

If I'm honest, what I saw was vastly superior footballers hammer a vastly inferior side who barely even remembered to tie their shoelaces.

The second half was a bit flat, but I guess at 3-0 gas was being saved.

I honestly can't say I saw the seeds of the pressomatic, high energy revolution.


Individual shit:

Lloris - nothing to do.

Dier - Really liking this kid. Not so much as a RB, just his general skill set, demeanour, attitude, composure and energy. I not even sure I care if we sign Fazio, I'm not sure he will be much better than this kid as a CB.

Kaboul - Easy game, not point talking about defensively really, but 78 passes 96% completion. Not too shabby.

Vertonghen - Easy run out, nice to see him springing forward in that way he can do.

Rose - Excellent game. Defensively good, frequently involved in our build up play, great run and pass for Adebayor's goal.

Capoue - Probably went a bit unnoticed amongst all the forward's hay making, but this was an quietly superb game. 121 passes at 89%. Yes against a shit team but that is still a phenomenal amount of traffic to get through, and I can't remember seeing a number like that too often, even against shit****s.

Bentaleb - Very good game, complimented Capoue well with his little give and goes. Good glue, and teams need glue.

Lamela - The first half performance had everything, the energy, the confidence, the sure-footedness, two assists (second one was particularly good) the pizzaz. The second half didn't quite live up to that, there was less sure footedness, a couple of fumbled chances and generally less pizzazz. Overall a very good performance though, and I really like the fact that he genuinely gets stuck in instead of shadow tackling like Lennon, or half hearted efforts like Eriksen.

Eriksen - A very good game. Seeing him work with Lamela for possibly the first time was a joy.

Chadli - Great finishing, some good general stuff. A very good knock all in all.

Adebayor - Took his goal well and wasn't exactly bad, saw plenty of the ball, but we are still not seeing the best Adebayor I feel. There were times when he looked a bit lethargic and made poor choices. The upside is as ever that his bad day is still better than most other's good days.

Subs - All were competent.

 

[balalasaurus]

The Evaluation Dichotomy

So here's the thing. That was very lovely and fluffy. All our favourite boys done good and much plundering of the booty was had. There was some very nice stuff played. And it's always nice to watch a second half with a relaxed sphincter.

But…it is incredibly hard to evaluate and enthuse profusely when (yes, @scat1620 here it comes) the opposition are so poorly prepared, tactically inept and offer every player his own acreage to play in.

I haven't seen too many more inept shows than the one QPR put up today from EPL opposition.


So we have to trot out the well honed cliche "you can only stuff what's put in front of you" and we did.

There were plenty of individual positives, Lamela had an exceptionally good first half, Chadli proved resoundingly that we don't need to waste money on Remy, Eriksen had a very decent knock, Capoue once again showed what he's about (stand by for an outstanding stat), Rose was very good, the defenders individually were all good, collectively though still a a couple of worries.

Revoloution Watch

Pochettino got his team selection bang on (OK, I'd have played Soldado but no qualms with Adebayor). The subs we can nit pick, but would be pretty moot, so lets not bother.

I am a tad concerned still by the utter lack of pressing in any meaningfully cohesive or coherent way. I think many will be effusing about that performance because we scored 4 goals. But I genuinely believe we were allowed miles more ball than most will allow, and much worse, we were allowed to have it in dangerous areas with very little pressure. We'd have had to be blindfold not to make chances in that game. And here's the thing, rightly or wrongly I'm still a little miffed at the amount of situations we didn't even turn into chances because of pure sloppy carelessness, which for me was all the more unforgivable because of the complete lack of pressure on the player in some cases. Churlish ? yes. Greedy even ? Maybe.

What I also didn't like was the way we at times gave them way to much space, they were so abjectly shit they wasted it, but if they'd scored that 1v1 at 1-0 that game could have been very different.

It didn't matter in that game because QPR didn't have the wherewithal to punish a paper bag, but that's two games running now where glimpses of our two CM's being exposed by the lack of pressing from the forward 4 reared it's ugly head.

"Shut up you churlish twat" I hear @Legend10 cry (where is he lately ?) we hammered someone, but proper games against proper teams that aren't managed by impostors will be coming soon.

If I'm honest, what I saw was vastly superior footballers hammer a vastly inferior side who barely even remembered to tie their shoelaces.

The second half was a bit flat, but I guess at 3-0 gas was being saved.

I honestly can't say I saw the seeds of the pressomatic, high energy revolution.


Individual shit:

Lloris - nothing to do.

Dier - Really liking this kid. Not so much as a RB, just his general skill set, demeanour, attitude, composure and energy. I not even sure I care if we sign Fazio, I'm not sure he will be much better than this kid as a CB.

Kaboul - Easy game, not point talking about defensively really, but 78 passes 96% completion. Not too shabby.

Vertonghen - Easy run out, nice to see him springing forward in that way he can do.

Rose - Excellent game. Defensively good, frequently involved in our build up play, great run and pass for Adebayor's goal.

Capoue - Probably went a bit unnoticed amongst all the forward's hay making, but this was an quietly superb game. 121 passes at 89%. Yes against a shit team but that is still a phenomenal amount of traffic to get through, and I can't remember seeing a number like that too often, even against shit****s.

Bentaleb - Very good game, complimented Capoue well with his little give and goes. Good glue, and teams need glue.

Lamela - The first half performance had everything, the energy, the confidence, the sure-footedness, two assists (second one was particularly good) the pizzaz. The second half didn't quite live up to that, there was less sure footedness, a couple of fumbled chances and generally less pizzazz. Overall a very good performance though, and I really like the fact that he genuinely gets stuck in instead of shadow tackling like Lennon, or half hearted efforts like Eriksen.

Eriksen - A very good game. Seeing him work with Lamela for possibly the first time was a joy.

Chadli - Great finishing, some good general stuff. A very good knock all in all.

Adebayor - Took his goal well and wasn't exactly bad, saw plenty of the ball, but we are still not seeing the best Adebayor I feel. There were times when he looked a bit lethargic and made poor choices. The upside is as ever that his bad day is still better than most other's good days.

Subs - All were competent, none exceptional.

I'll just counter this by saying that, yes the opposition didn't measure up to us, however, these are the kinds of games we should be winning.

How many times last season or the season before did we lose points in games we should have otherwise had in the bag? Today we did our job and we did it well. We did what was expected of us. Just a little food for thought.

 

[mark87]

Probably the best performance since the home Inter Milan Europa league game in the 12/13 season.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'll just counter this by saying that, yes the opposition didn't measure up to us, however, these are the kinds of games we should be winning.

How many times last season or the season before did we lose points in games we should have otherwise had in the bag? Today we did our job and we did it well. We did what was expected of us. Just a little food for thought.

Actually, I'm not sure we lost too many games that we should have been winning over the last couple of years, under AVB or Sherwood.

You have to go back to Redknapp 2011-12 when failing to win half our home games against loads of shit teams cost us CL football.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

The Evaluation Dichotomy

So here's the thing. That was very lovely and fluffy. All our favourite boys done good and much plundering of the booty was had. There was some very nice stuff played. And it's always nice to watch a second half with a relaxed sphincter.

But…it is incredibly hard to evaluate and enthuse profusely when (yes, @scat1620 here it comes) the opposition are so poorly prepared, tactically inept and offer every player his own acreage to play in.

I haven't seen too many more inept shows than the one QPR put up today from EPL opposition.


So we have to trot out the well honed cliche "you can only stuff what's put in front of you" and we did.

There were plenty of individual positives, Lamela had an exceptionally good first half, Chadli proved resoundingly that we don't need to waste money on Remy, Eriksen had a very decent knock, Capoue once again showed what he's about (stand by for an outstanding stat), Rose was very good, the defenders individually were all good, collectively though still a a couple of worries.

Revoloution Watch

Pochettino got his team selection bang on (OK, I'd have played Soldado but no qualms with Adebayor). The subs we can nit pick, but would be pretty moot, so lets not bother.

I am a tad concerned still by the utter lack of pressing in any meaningfully cohesive or coherent way. I think many will be effusing about that performance because we scored 4 goals. But I genuinely believe we were allowed miles more ball than most will allow, and much worse, we were allowed to have it in dangerous areas with very little pressure. We'd have had to be blindfold not to make chances in that game. And here's the thing, rightly or wrongly I'm still a little miffed at the amount of situations we didn't even turn into chances because of pure sloppy carelessness, which for me was all the more unforgivable because of the complete lack of pressure on the player in some cases. Churlish ? yes. Greedy even ? Maybe.

What I also didn't like was the way we at times gave them way to much space, they were so abjectly shit they wasted it, but if they'd scored that 1v1 at 1-0 that game could have been very different.

It didn't matter in that game because QPR didn't have the wherewithal to punish a paper bag, but that's two games running now where glimpses of our two CM's being exposed by the lack of pressing from the forward 4 reared it's ugly head.

"Shut up you churlish humbug" I hear @Legend10 cry (where is he lately ?) we hammered someone, but proper games against proper teams that aren't managed by impostors will be coming soon.

If I'm honest, what I saw was vastly superior footballers hammer a vastly inferior side who barely even remembered to tie their shoelaces.

The second half was a bit flat, but I guess at 3-0 gas was being saved.

I honestly can't say I saw the seeds of the pressomatic, high energy revolution.


Individual shit:

Lloris - nothing to do.

Dier - Really liking this kid. Not so much as a RB, just his general skill set, demeanour, attitude, composure and energy. I not even sure I care if we sign Fazio, I'm not sure he will be much better than this kid as a CB.

Kaboul - Easy game, not point talking about defensively really, but 78 passes 96% completion. Not too shabby.

Vertonghen - Easy run out, nice to see him springing forward in that way he can do.

Rose - Excellent game. Defensively good, frequently involved in our build up play, great run and pass for Adebayor's goal.

Capoue - Probably went a bit unnoticed amongst all the forward's hay making, but this was an quietly superb game. 121 passes at 89%. Yes against a shit team but that is still a phenomenal amount of traffic to get through, and I can't remember seeing a number like that too often, even against shit****s.

Bentaleb - Very good game, complimented Capoue well with his little give and goes. Good glue, and teams need glue.

Lamela - The first half performance had everything, the energy, the confidence, the sure-footedness, two assists (second one was particularly good) the pizzaz. The second half didn't quite live up to that, there was less sure footedness, a couple of fumbled chances and generally less pizzazz. Overall a very good performance though, and I really like the fact that he genuinely gets stuck in instead of shadow tackling like Lennon, or half hearted efforts like Eriksen.

Eriksen - A very good game. Seeing him work with Lamela for possibly the first time was a joy.

Chadli - Great finishing, some good general stuff. A very good knock all in all.

Adebayor - Took his goal well and wasn't exactly bad, saw plenty of the ball, but we are still not seeing the best Adebayor I feel. There were times when he looked a bit lethargic and made poor choices. The upside is as ever that his bad day is still better than most other's good days.

Subs - All were competent.

Only BC could make such a negative summary of our game today. Unbelievable.

 

[Spurs 1961]

I'll just counter this by saying that, yes the opposition didn't measure up to us, however, these are the kinds of games we should be winning.

How many times last season or the season before did we lose points in games we should have otherwise had in the bag? Today we did our job and we did it well. We did what was expected of us. Just a little food for thought.

Well put. I am struggling to remember games in the last couple of seasons in the epl that we have own by more than one goal. Emphatic wins are good as we know even the humblest of opposition can always come back from a goal down

 

[freeeki]

I imagine Nacer Chadli is walking round like a dog with four dicks tonight.

He's my MOM.

 

[scat1620]

Actually, I'm not sure we lost too many games that we should have been winning over the last couple of years, under AVB or Sherwood.

You have to go back to Redknapp 2011-12 when failing to win half our home games against loads of shit teams cost us CL football.

And we beat the big teams then. Unlike under AVB/Sherwood, neither of whom delivered a 4th place finish, let alone CL football.

But can't we all (myself included) cut out the churlish stuff tonight and just enjoy the fact that we handed out our first Premier League tonking and great performance in a good long time?

 

[yanno]

Rose - Excellent game. Defensively good, frequently involved in our build up play, great run and pass for Adebayor's goal.

Although it was against a very poor QPR side, Danny Rose was outstanding today and has been one of our best players through pre-season.

He's still got that surly - ready to pick a fight with his own team - demeanour. But, whisper it quietly, he's beginning to look like a quality LB.

The purchase of Ben Davies provided real competition, and he must know the fans don't rate him. I respect the character he's shown to come back as one of our best players this season.

And it's highly likely he's another one benefitting from Poch's coaching.

The real test will be against better opposition, especially the top six. But credit to Danny Rose for the way he's started this season.

 

[Tottenham_God]

just got back from the match which topped off an epic weekend in the smoke. Interesting that lamela is hands down winning the mom poll as live it didn't look that way.

lloris 7
dier 8
vertonghen 8
kaboul 7
rose 8
bentaleb 6
capoue 9
eriksen 8
lamela 7
chadli 8
adebayor 7

dembele 6
Kane 5
soldado na

Horrendous that you rated Lamela the same and Loris and Kaboul, were you watching the same game ?