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  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dier

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Kaboul

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Chiriches

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Rose

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • Capoue

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 89 37.9%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 68 28.9%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 23 9.8%
  • Chadli

    Votes: 28 11.9%
  • Adebayor

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Stambouli

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • Kane

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Lennon

    Votes: 2 0.9%

  • Total voters
    235

Bobbins

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May 5, 2005
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Felt sorry for Lamela because of the effort he put in and Kane for simply being really unlucky.

Felt more sorry that Soldado wasn't fit, as Ade was at his most frustratingly useless today.
 

Vincent30

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Really pleased with the passion Lamela is showing and his real determination, rare to have players with such quality who work so hard. Think this guy is an absolute gem!!

Also pleased with how Dembele performed today, seemed to have some of his old swagger about today.
 

southlondonyiddo

My eyes have seen some of the glory..
Nov 8, 2004
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We probably had about 70% possession today. Dembele may well have been our MOTM as he saw a lot of the ball but what did he actually do with it apart from 1 great effort that hit the post/bar

He needs to do more and have much more end product. A player with his ability should influence these types of games much more. It was criminal we only came away with one point

Shame he offers so little threat. He’s still pretty much a rabbit in headlights when he gets around the opposition 18 yard box!
 

Strikeb4ck

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Aug 8, 2010
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Dier is not a right back, he is covering for the injured walker. Cut him a little slack he is still better than naughton
Dier is absolutely not better than Naughton at RB. Dier got beat almost every time he's come up against a decent player on the wing - Remy, Liverpool's contingent, today repeatedly again. Naughton is our best defensive fullback.

Lamela and Dembele were excellent, Capoue/Chadli/Eriksen all good too. Ade had a hand in both goals but he needs to play better in all honesty.
 

SpurSince57

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Jan 20, 2006
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I want him to get into the box more. Having only chadli and ADe in there not enough when the play gets chaotic.

And Ade was having to drop deep to get the ball far too often for my liking.

Vlad appeared to have been taken over by the spirit of Atouba at times, and why did it seem that virtually every tackle he made looked like a last-ditch job?
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Aug 13, 2012
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Dier is absolutely not better than Naughton at RB. Dier got beat almost every time he's come up against a decent player on the wing - Remy, Liverpool's contingent, today repeatedly again. Naughton is our best defensive fullback.

Lamela and Dembele were excellent, Capoue/Chadli/Eriksen all good too. Ade had a hand in both goals but he needs to play better in all honesty.

Against QPR Remy most certainly did not beat him a lot. He was very solid, as he was against West Ham there.

I'm not saying he is the answer at RB, but he is a young CB and your post is a little sensationalist (negatively) in regards to his performances.
 

al_pacino

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Feb 2, 2005
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And Ade was having to drop deep to get the ball far too often for my liking.

Vlad appeared to have been taken over by the spirit of Atouba at times, and why did it seem that virtually every tackle he made looked like a last-ditch job?

The manager needs to get hold of Ade and tell him to spend more time leading the line(without being offside too much) and less time in midfield. When it doesn't work for him, like most of today, he can spend a bit too much energy chasing his poor touches around.
 

southlondonyiddo

My eyes have seen some of the glory..
Nov 8, 2004
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Dier is a big unit and definitely has something about him especially a crunching tackle

Popping up with 2 goals in your 1st 2 games for your new club in the Premiership at the age of 20 isn't bad is it

Unfortunately Naughton is 6 years older and offers nothing at this level.....
 

SpurSince57

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Jan 20, 2006
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The manager needs to get hold of Ade and tell him to spend more time leading the line(without being offside too much) and less time in midfield. When it doesn't work for him, like most of today, he can spend a bit too much energy chasing his poor touches around.

But if he's leading the line and the ball isn't getting to him, what is he supposed to do? An isolated striker isn't an Ade-specific problem, it's one we've had for some time now.
 

iluvsteffenfreund

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Nov 5, 2004
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We probably had about 70% possession today. Dembele may well have been our MOTM as he saw a lot of the ball but what did he actually do with it apart from 1 great effort that hit the post/bar

He needs to do more and have much more end product. A player with his ability should influence these types of games much more. It was criminal we only came away with one point

Shame he offers so little threat. He’s still pretty much a rabbit in headlights when he gets around the opposition 18 yard box!
What apart from track his runner make a great tackle on his own 18 yard box and switch the play as we then go 1 up !??come on mate he bossed the game that was blatant !!!!
 

yankspurs

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Aug 22, 2013
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I miss Walker, Verts and Soldado.

The back 4 was not good today.

Ade was terrible(yet again) and clearly not fit(yet again)

No one on this team presses besides for Lamela, who was very good today.

Was very refreshing having a CM that doesnt give the ball away out there. Dembele played great and earned his spot in the CM2 right back.
 

Bulletspur

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Oct 17, 2006
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But if he's leading the line and the ball isn't getting to him, what is he supposed to do? An isolated striker isn't an Ade-specific problem, it's one we've had for some time now.
I think you are being too generous to Ade. I agree that at times he had to drop back for the ball and when he got the ball he held it up well, but... there were several times where an attack began between either Chadli, Lamela, Erikson or the full backs, where the attack just needed a one time touch by Ade, but he holds it, turns and by the time he decides to lay off it was too late, as the defence had regrouped. There are times to hold the ball and times where it requires a weighted first touch, the latter Ade needs to improve on IMO.
 

SpurSince57

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I think you are being too generous to Ade. I agree that at times he had to drop back for the ball and when he got the ball he held it up well, but... there were several times where an attack began between either Chadli, Lamela, Erikson or the full backs, where the attack just needed a one time touch by Ade, but he holds it, turns and by the time he decides to lay off it was too late, as the defence had regrouped. There are times to hold the ball and times where it requires a weighted first touch, the latter Ade needs to improve on IMO.

True, and I'm certainly not suggesting that he had a great game. That doesn't alter the fact that ever since we abandoned 4-4-2 we've had this problem of an isolated striker.
 

iluvsteffenfreund

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Nov 5, 2004
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There wasn't much wrong today, the system is good but we need to be more clinical end of. Lamela and dembele ran the show today, two pathetic goals to concede the cross bar and some inept finishing has cost us, but as a performance away from home you won't get much better than that
 

fuzzylogic

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Aug 2, 2004
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Dier is absolutely not better than Naughton at RB. Dier got beat almost every time he's come up against a decent player on the wing - Remy, Liverpool's contingent, today repeatedly again. Naughton is our best defensive fullback.

Lamela and Dembele were excellent, Capoue/Chadli/Eriksen all good too. Ade had a hand in both goals but he needs to play better in all honesty.

Naughton is no way our best defender, would rather play Bobby at right back lol
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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How the fuck did that happen ? Football is a ridiculous game sometimes.

Conceding a late equaliser hurts the worst. Conceding a late loser just costs you one point, a late equaliser two.

So much to admire in that performance. Easily the best under Pochettino's short tenure. Sunderland aren't a great team, but they aren't a pathetic one (like the QPR we met a couple of weeks ago), they are usually up for a tussle, and are rarely a push over at home, but for 85 minutes we put in an utterly commanding performance.

Our domination was almost total in every respect. We kept the ball, we moved it well, putting together some really nice moves at times with quick interchanges, and while we didn't create as many clear cut chances as our approach play and situations warranted, we did easily do enough to win this game at a canter.

Most pleasing of all for me was the fact that, even after going 2-1 up, we didn't bottle it and shrink, we kept playing football, doing exactly what we should do, starving them of momentum, keeping the ball without taking silly risks, pressing pretty well.

That they managed to get a 2-2 draw out of a game whilst having one shot on target all game is a testament to how the bizarrely fickle hand of fate sometimes puts on a strapadictomy and sets about you.

It's hard to single out a MOTM, but despite my preference for Bentaleb's quicker pass and move game, Dembele is a definite contender. He still holds the ball too long for a team that is trying to speed up it's transition moments but him and (another contender) Capoue ran the gaff all day long. It was an impressive CM2 performance by both guys

Eriksen and Lamela were very active and saw shit loads of ball. Pleasing was that both worked hard without it too. Lamela is good at pressing anyway but it was nice to see Eriksen do more in this respect, often in conjunction with team mates. He played some incisive passes and was also great to see him get into the box and score a poachers gaol (not his forte normally). Eriksen's best game this season and for me one that just gets him MOTM.

I thought this was probably the most coherent pressing performance so far. There was much more cohesion and "pack" hunting I thought.

I don't like Dier as a RB. Didn't like it last time, surprised he got put there this time. He's just not quite nippy enough, and doesn't really offer enough craft as an attacking option.

Chiriches' penchant for over playing reared it's ugly head again a couple of times today, but that shouldn't completely override the fact that defensively he was pretty good, made some good tackles and interceptions and brought the ball forward at times.

If you measure Adebayor by his own best standard, he's been well below so far this season, today was no exception. I was surprised he was started today after playing two games in Africa. Whether "meh" Adebayor is worse overall than Kane is moot, but I would have started Kane and maybe brought Adebayor on if needed.

I thought the subs were spot on in their rationale - I think we switched to 433 when Stambouli came on didn't we ? - and helped us seemingly keep control of the game and limit them to knish. it was just ridiculous piece of bad luck that led to Kane scoring an OG.

This was a pretty comprehensively dominant performance, good with and without the ball, that merited a much better result.

Individual stuff:

Lloris - Nothing to do.

Dier - Not great, but playing out of position.

Kaboul - Decent enough for the most part.

Chiriches - Couple of over playing moments, some good moments too, mixed bag.

Rose - Plenty of effort going forward, defensively good including one excellent challenge on Wickham.

Capoue - very good game.

Dembele - Very good performance.

Lamela - Very lively and doesn't just stand around waiting for the ball to come to him. He needs to learn to just lay a simple ball off sometimes instead of trying the more difficult but you have to accept that young creative players like this need will make errors at times, trying to make something happen.

Eriksen - Best game this season by a mile. One of his best games in a Spurs shirt in terms of overall contribution. Saw more ball than anyone on the pitch, scored and I've never seen him work so hard without the ball.

Chadli - Decent enough game, works off the ball too and chipped in with another goal. benefitting from getting regular game time and putting in the kind of performances we bought him for (and the reason we didn't need to spend money and wages on Remy).

Adebayor - He was OK but we know he can be so much better. Still looking at times like his legs and brain are on disconnect.

Stambouli - Nice little cameo I thought.
 
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ultimateloner

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Jan 25, 2004
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ADe isn't an intelligent player. He is versatile and does what he wants. I think poch would have asked him to stay up front but as ever he wouldn't listen.

In any case we should have and deserved to win. Failed again due to individual mistakes. The Johnson goal was too easy.

In any case it's early days and at least we are scoring and chadli might even be our version of a midfield poacher so there's more upside than downside.

I think we will get a big win against west brom.
 
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