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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Toby

    Votes: 10 5.7%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 12 6.9%
  • Verts

    Votes: 34 19.4%
  • Dier

    Votes: 4 2.3%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 5 2.9%
  • Dele

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 16 9.1%
  • Son

    Votes: 46 26.3%
  • Kane

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • Aurier

    Votes: 31 17.7%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 8 4.6%

  • Total voters
    175

guiltyparty

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Im gonna get slated but i will say this again because it really pisses me off to see Ali throwing a strop whenever Sonny attempts shot on goal or lose possesion, this Ali has become Berbatov version 2, cancerous to team spirit.

He thinks hes good, but more and more looks like a one season wonder, work harder boy and stop partying too much, ur more like Raheem Sterling now instead of Berbatov, which means ur quite useless

Sterling useless? Have a word. I'd kill for him in this Spurs team. Pace, urgency, running at players, things we really don't have much of in our locker. Son tried his best.

The most disappointing thing for me was seeing how ably we played the counter against Dortmund, and then how we turned back and slowed down any attack against Swansea.

Sure they parked the bus but there were still numerous times we had a break on and no one fancied it / was able to break.

This is the fundamental misunderstanding of the "we don't need pace when team's park buses" brigade. Quick breaks when they happen become really important
 
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ebzrascal

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Sep 13, 2009
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Lloris - 6
Toby - 6
Verts - 6.
Sanchez - 5
Dier - 5
Sissoko - 6
Trippier - 5
Son - 7
Alli - 4
Eriksen - 6
Kane - 6

Aurier 7
Llorente 5
 

scat1620

L'espion mal fait
May 11, 2008
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Okay, no disrespect to the rest of you, but a Ratings thread isn't a Ratings thread without BC, is it? Has he spontaneously combusted with anger after that shitshow?
 

doctor stefan Freud

the tired tread of sad biology
Sep 2, 2013
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Okay, no disrespect to the rest of you, but a Ratings thread isn't a Ratings thread without BC, is it? Has he spontaneously combusted with anger after that shitshow?
In a monastery for broken hearted football aficionados- after penance he'll be scratching his musings on parchment derived from the honeycomb footballs of the 1970s
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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I guess that's what you get when a team overloaded with defensive players comes up against a team who have only come to defend. We needed somebody who could run at them or at least draw more than one opponent into a tackle and in that respect we missed Dembele or, dare I say, Marcus Edwards, to create space for others. Swansea offered next to nothing and yet we kept 3 CBs on for the duration. Subs were wasted on tinkering around with wingbacks and even when Llorente was on we persisted in trying to thread through the middle instead of bunging the crosses in. It was the perfect scenario for why we bought Llorente but he got no service. Complacent stuff - expecting that playing the same way would eventually yield something until it eventually dawned on us that it wouldn't.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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I'm starting to understand the melancholy ranker that has insidiously permeated the Emirates, there's something about a mega stadium that breeds a kind of malevolent ennui, from the moment you are greeted by the ginormous external TV screens with their hyperbolic messages of gleeful upbeat jingoistic soundbites, to the feeling that you are entering a giant exhibition hall, to the detached atmosphere that echoes eerily round the ground sporadically.

I then sit high up watching ants trying to build a nest. They are methodical but clumsy, they keep dropping their leaf and getting disoriented.

I get why Davies might be rested and Trippier rotated back in, FB's cover the most high energy ground in the team and Dortmund was intense, and in this instance, Son as a LWB still wasn't great but wasn't the kamikaze idea it was last time as Swansea were never going to expose it like Chelsea did, but it does trouble me that Poch puts all our attacking options onto the pitch, meaning he has very little options later on when we need fresh attacking ideas or impetus. I have no problem with Trippier in a game like this at all, I don't think he's Danny Alves, but in a game where we are camped in their third, and there is very little chance to "get in behind" he's the most likely of our fb's to deliver something composed or with that first touch that these compressed games allow.

I kept banging on about this last year and this summer, but our biggest issue is in midfield. Midfields control games, set tempo, set the tone, All of Poch's preferred options are pedestrian. To Poch's credit, I think this is is dawning on him, the problem is, his solution is a fudge. Dropping Eriksen back is robbing Peter to pay Paul and playing Sissoko is robbing football if its credibility.

The other thing we could really have done with yesterday is a player who could take players on and not trip over the the ball, who could commit and beat a man then thread a deliberate through ball, not a wildly optimistic piece of exasperated frippery.

The very saddest thing for me is that in KWP, Onomah, Winks and Edwards we have players who could provide positive answers to many of the above conundrums, if only Poch was really the brave "giver of youth chances" we are led the believe.

Yesterday followed a narrative we've seen so many times before. Boy meets frigid girl, but gets her back to his place, has got the Marvin Gay on, glass of wine in her hand, is making her chuckle but just as she's softening he puts on animal porn and asks her how she feels about urinating on a coffee table while someone dressed in lederhosen crouches underneath.

The home birds all seem to know boy's reputation, away birds seem gamer....

Individuality

Lloris - traditional moment of harry karri, not much to do.

Trippier - switch to the left was pointless.

TA/JV - played as cm's second half. Decent games.

Sanchez - bit of a ropey game to be honest.

Son - Lively, no idea why he was hooked before Alli.

Dier - Dier

Eriksen - tried very hard, but was wading through treacle, some of it ours.

Sissoko - No.

Alli - He's got to cut down the cheap wastage. Losing the ball making the right decision is fine, losing it trying the stupid or with a careless touch is not. We desperately needed some quality and composure not an extra dollop of slapdash fuckery. On the days he comes up with a match winning goal you stick your fingers in your ears and shut your eyes, on the days when he doesn't it's hard to watch.

Kane - Plenty of effort, short on quality.
 
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SargeantMeatCurtains

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Jan 5, 2013
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Individuality

Sissoko - No.

Kane - Plenty of effort

Can you elaborate on this?

Sissoko, arguably, put in the most effort out of anybody yesterday. He saved us from going a goal down, assisted two of our best chances and carried the ball forward well.

Why does he get treated differently to Kane, who hit the crossbar from 2 yards out?
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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Can you elaborate on this?

Sissoko, arguably, put in the most effort out of anybody yesterday. He saved us from going a goal down, assisted two of our best chances and carried the ball forward well.

Why does he get treated differently to Kane, who hit the crossbar from 2 yards out?

I think you are making the mistake of reading too much into it. Nobody lacked for effort yesterday, they rarely do in our team under Poch, and it's not like I was eulogising over Kane, or have never been critical of him, it was more a statement of how I feel generally about Sissoko, who has never been short on effort, but is an appalling footballer at this level. And I don't care if he scores a bicycle kick hat trick next week, I will still not enjoy watching him try to play football at this level.

Let's face it, I have enough trouble reconciling myself to the shit Alli does 85% of the time, and he's one of the most productive players in this league. What chance Sissoko ?
 

Hazardousman

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I think you are making the mistake of reading too much into it. Nobody lacked for effort yesterday, they rarely do in our team under Poch, and it's not like I was eulogising over Kane, or have never been critical of him, it was more a statement of how I feel generally about Sissoko, who has never been short on effort, but is an appalling footballer at this level. And I don't care if he scores a bicycle kick hat trick next week, I will still not enjoy watching him try to play football at this level.

Let's face it, I have enough trouble reconciling myself to the shit Alli does 85% of the time, and he's one of the most productive players in this league. What chance Sissoko ?

Sissoko is shit, no really, he is.

The problem is, we are stuck with him and I think some people are just trying their best to support him despite the fact they know deep down inside he is a terrible footballer, I mean, I understand why, at the end of the day if he is going to play it really isn't productive for us to boo him or call him shit when he is playing.

However this is a forum, honesty is ok here people, let's just all admit the truth, Sissoko is terrible and I can guarantee that 95% of this forum, if given the chance, would swap him with another option, I don't understand how he is starting and if Lamela was fit I doubt Sissoko would ever play a game for us again.
 
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ohtottenham!

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I sort of wish BC had written Boyz II Men; that would have really changed my perception of him
Throw 'em all in! Pet Shop Boys, R. Kelly, Right Said Fred or Village People....covers the animal motif, the urination, the lederhosen maybe! BC should have a soundtrack for his ratings posts.
 

dannythomas

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If Davies was fit enough to be on the bench then surely he was fit enough to come on and play 30-45 minutes. My own view is that if Aurier and Davies had played the second half in place of Trippier and Sissoko with Son playing in his normal role then we would have won that match.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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A lot of these tactical issues and this performance would have been mitigated if we just had some width, fair enough Davies was injured and Poch didn't want to risk him but just stick a left footer out there like Jan or something and we win this match...it's that simple. Trippier ad a LWB just didn't make any sense beca use all he kept doing was cutting back on his right foot and he wasn't stretching the pitch which is what you need to do when teams park the bus and bank up.
 

Hazardousman

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Jul 24, 2013
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A lot of these tactical issues and this performance would have been mitigated if we just had some width, fair enough Davies was injured and Poch didn't want to risk him but just stick a left footer out there like Jan or something and we win this match...it's that simple. Trippier ad a LWB just didn't make any sense beca use all he kept doing was cutting back on his right foot and he wasn't stretching the pitch which is what you need to do when teams park the bus and bank up.

We effectively removed any threat from that left hand side of the pitch, which suited Swansea perfectly.

To be fair, Trippier wasn't offering us any width even when he was on the right, every time he gets the ball he looks to pass it backwards, worrying signs for him after a promising end to last season, Aurier came on and made Trippier look average based on his first half performance.
 

Spurs_Bear

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Jan 7, 2009
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Yesterday followed a narrative we've seen so many times before. Boy meets frigid girl, but gets her back to his place, has got the Marvin Gay on, glass of wine in her hand, is making her chuckle but just as she's softening he puts on animal porn and asks her how she feels about urinating on a coffee table while someone dressed in lederhosen crouches underneath.

Exceptional.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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Many people blaming Poch I don't see it that way at all. I thought it was right to rotate the squad against Swansea no disrespect to Swansea but if you can't rotate at home to Swansea then we are in trouble....looking at our team we had Kane Alli Eriksen Son on the pitch that should be enough imo to beat them at home on any given day.

Credit to Swansea they obviously came with a master game plan, to park the bus, they defended very deep and conceded an obscene amount of possession of the football. Unfortunately we weren't clinical enough and paid the price, we are going to come across many games like this at Wembley where teams come for a point...I feel we will win the majority of these games given time but will have to be much more clinical and quicker in transition when the games not going to script.

I feel Poch needs to make a decision quickly on the Trippier Aurier debate who is first choice, imo it should be an easy selection (Aurier) . With Rose being out Davies has to be managed and It was the correct decision to rotate him.

All given 7.

Credit to Swansea they looked very organised with a full week of preparation defensively strong at the back and with their strikers they could be a trouble to many other teams.
 
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