Match Ratings Ratings vs WBA
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Marty
Audere est farce
- Mar 10, 2005
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It's getting almost as bad as Hart's inability to save anything that goes low to his left. Hugo has a huge issue here and I feel like more teams are noticing it.
rabbikeane
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- Mar 29, 2005
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One thing those stats doesn't consider is how opponent teams last season had to be aware of and couldn't cope with the threat from Walker and Rose's explosive pace, they had to defend with that in mind leaving much more space for the rest of our players in the middle. We're much easier to defend against now. We go slower, have little to threat behind defences and not much width, giving our opponents an easy task of making it tight in the middle outside of their box
Bus-Conductor
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- Oct 19, 2004
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Offers nothing going forward except more goals, assists, chances created and key passes. Apart from that....nothing.
Bus-Conductor
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Ahhh.... of course, the one thing that we can’t measure and is impossible to quantify, the thing that nobody can quite disprove because it only exists as “awareness” in minds, is the thing that matters.
This time last year we were drawing 1-1 with West Brom, thanks to an 89th minute goal from Alli, the season before that we drew home and away 1-1 West Brom, all three games with Walker and Rose and the brilliant “awareness” problem they brought to the opposition.
southlondonyiddo
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- Nov 8, 2004
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Yawn
Throw us some more stats BC
Stats are for the most part bollox. Just keeps some trainspotter in employment and gives the sports channels some drivel to churn out when they haven’t got any other meaningless bollox to talk about or put up on the screen
Bus-Conductor
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I know right, nothing fucks people off more than when bollocks facts make bollocks opinions wrong.
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Bus-Conductor
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How did he do that Ralvy ? He was on for the last 30 minutes of a game we were already thoroughly dominating, and he didn't really change the dynamics at all. He didn't create anything, he didn't make any killer passes or open them up with a clever dribble. He came on in a comfortable game and was OK. The fact that a kid with half a dozen PL games is getting starts ahead of him, including against teams like Madrid, says a lot.
jonathanhotspur
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He threatened to excite. Hard times, we must look for the positives.
Bus-Conductor
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Yeah, when you actually look at the facts they tell us, offensively, we definitely haven't missed Walker and Rose, but you're right, when we look at the game through the prism of our own preconceptions they definitely confirm we are missing them hugely.
ralvy
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- Jun 26, 2012
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He helped us control the ball better than what the Winks/Dier combo were doing (note that I'm not saying controling the ball more time... I'm not sure if we enjoyed more possesion with him on the field, but we certainly looked more poised and in command once Dembele got in) .
Dembele will rarely be the one making that crucial pass, he doesn't have a killer instinct for goal scoring opportunities I'm affraid, but he really is good at retaining posession without being forced to go backwards or sideways. He makes us a more dominant force than Winks ATM. Winks certainly is showing a lot of promise, but his skills set looks to be different than Dembele's.
If fitness allows it, I would be starting a combo of them two and leaving Dier on the bench (or as a CB while Toby is out). Once Victor is back, however, Pochetino will have a real dilema in his hands.
Bus-Conductor
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I couldn't disagree more. Winks takes far more risks with his passing, still completes high percentage, moves it quicker and definitely passes forwards more than Dembele. I don't think Winks is as good without the ball as Dembele in his peak, but when Wanyama's fit I don't think it's even close anymore, Winks gets through more ball and moves it with more more tempo and progressively than Dembele, even at his best.
Nerine
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- Jan 27, 2011
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But that wouldn't be fair on the people that performed better than a 5/10, and it'd be a bit generous for Dezza Azza and Chrissy Ezzasun
Was it this one?
https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/hugo-lloris-is-bearings/
Not sure I buy it given the sample size of 4 at the time (2013), but would be interesting to see if that finding holds with data from the past four years.
ralvy
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I agree that Winks is a better passer than Dembele (or maybe he just does it more than him), but that doesn't mean he's a better player or more important to Spurs. Dembele, at his best, rarely loses a ball and is able to help getthing it inside or near the rival's goal keeping area without having to risk it too much. If we're able to get that Dembele back, and Saturday it looked like we just might, then that would make him about as dangerous of an asset as Harry Winks, but in a less risky way and also with a more defensive input.
Also, in a high pressing set up, there's no doubt for me: Dembele ahead of Winks 100% of the times.
