Match Ratings Ratings vs West Ham

[tiger666]

. Poch needs to take a long hard look at himself.

Bump it, I dare you.

 

[TropicalYid]

Poch - 0
Lost us the game. We all saw early what west hams game plan was. 11 man defence.
Then playing sissoko and dier in central midfield. Poor game management.

Aurier was good.

 

[Hazardousman]

Bump it, I dare you.

LOL, must admit I am tempted.

 

[DiscoD1882]

Stop blaming poch you divs. We should
Have won that at a canter. The team lost that game. End of

 

[ILS]

Today Poch is certainly not immune from criticism. He should have changed it at half team but didn’t. When the pattern of the game didn’t change he still didn’t make the changes the team was crying out for. He only changed it after the goal. I can’t blame him for a slow paced turgid performance by the team but he had every opportunity to change it, put two upfront for example but just looked paralysed. We have to learn from this. Got out of jail tonight.

But he never changes it at half time. Every week this board is filled with comments about who should come on at half time when in reality I have just as much chance sat at home.

 

[allpaths]

Stop blaming poch you divs. We should
Have won that at a canter. The team lost that game. End of

yes but Poch certainly could of made the job easier, by making the simplest of adjustments. All I hope is that Poch learns from his mistakes.

 

[guiltyparty]

Poch - 0
Lost us the game.

We drew

 

[Marty]

30 shots to WHAM's three. Denied at least two, probably three penalties.

As odd as I found the selection of Dier and Sissoko in the CM2, dropping points today had nothing to do with either them or Poch.

 

[The Apprentice]

30 shots to WHAM's three. Denied at least two, probably three penalties.

As odd as I found the selection of Dier and Sissoko in the CM2, dropping points today had nothing to do with either them or Poch.

They contributed to a game in which we drew 1-1. How can it be nothing to do with them?

If there were other options available, is it not logical to query the decisions made and the personnel employed?

 

[Marty]

They contributed to a game in which we drew 1-1. How can it be nothing to do with them?

If there were other options available, is it not logical to query the decisions made and the personnel employed?

If we take our chances and get the decisions we rightfully should have, we win easily. That's why the CM2 selection isn't the reason we drop points.

Though I do agree that I'd rather any combo of the three bench options start instead.

 

[hughy]

Stop blaming poch you divs. We should
Have won that at a canter. The team lost that game. End of

Would you not have made any subs earlier than Poch did? Sissoko should have been off on 55, absolute latest.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Sort the fucking Midfield Out Poch

There is no point bitching about West Ham's tactics. What else should they do ? Would anyone expect them not to do this, having watched us roll over Southampton and Stoke last two home games ? Well, apparently Poch didn't expect it, because he chose to play a midfield designed for safety and size, not for tempo and incision and creative vim.

Leaving Wanyama and Winks, arguably our best two CM's currently available, having not started two days ago either, whilst Dier had, was beyond baffling, it was plain idiotic.

Shit like today happens in football, but if you don't make the logical choices, let alone the enlightened ones, when you have various better and obvious options at your disposal, then you kind of set yourself to fail. And Poch deserves huge criticism for our failure tonight.

Poch has also continually got his FB rotation wrong, Aurier would have much more logical away at Swansea, where his pace and defending would have been more useful for their counters, whilst Trippier more logical in a game like this where his final ball might just have made a difference, or even better in the 3CB system as a WB.

The selection of Sissoko anywhere is fucking terrible, but as a CM in a CM2 is tactically so ill conceived it's really hard to rationalise. He doesn't want to take the ball off defenders trying to play out, the one time he did he set up West Ham's only attack, and when we attack, he just spends the whole time hiding behind a defender pointing, and whenever the ball goes near him he treats it like it's a live fucking hand grenade. The only possible rationale for playing Sissoko is as a wide AM, running at isolated defenders on the counter, how the fuck was that game ever going to present that, even if Sissoko had been played as an AM. He just barely has the technique to dribble without anyone in front of him, but with a deep block ? Just fucking bonkers that Poch is picking him.

It's hard enough to win games like this even with a great set up, we saw how West Ham did similar to ManC, but to approach this game with a midfield completely lacking in technical ability, tempo, ambition, vision and any incision, effected everything we did, meant that the AM's and forward players were constantly receiving the ball, not just with defenders in front of them, but with 8/9 players in font of them. Making carving anything out almost impossible.

This was one of those games with the frustration button on max. On the odd occasion we did get into promising positions, the ball just would not roll, when it did, everyone bumbled and fumbled it, and when they didn't there were seventeen West Ham players stood in front of their keeper, throwing themselves in front of everything. Then they get the obligatory, once in a career, wonder goal.

Luckily, Son came up with an even better one, and though it wasn't enough to stop me kicking the sofa at the end of the game, it did at least preserve @riggi 's sanity (and mine)

Individual

Lloris - I know this is harsh, but I can't help but feel a bit disappointed he didn't get close to the goal, but he did make a good save too.

Aurier - OK defensively, but absolutely nothing offensively of tangible quality.

Sanchez - Another couple of very dodgy moments.

Vertonghen - Good game.

Davies - Same as Aurier really.

Dier - Really poor first half. Turned backwards when he should have turned forwards, his passing short and long was unreliable and it's not like he was attempting anything incisive or clever.

Sissoko - Poor technique, hid from the ball and pointed a lot, brought absolutely nothing to the game and shirked/slow to challenge on Obiang for the goal too. He just should not be anywhere near this team and it's Poch who deserves the lion share of the criticism because it's frankly piss poor judgement putting him out there.

Son - He tried really hard tonight, and did some good things, in many ways that was one of his best games in a Spurs shirt, I certainly can't remember him ever seeing that much of the ball and being that sure footed with it throughout, (55 passes 87%) but but it just wasn't rolling, then he hit an absolute beauty. But what I loved most was his post match interview. When asked if that was one of his best goals, he replied frankly, dejectedly "It's not important right now, beautiful goal, dirty goal, it's not important, I'm just upset for the three points". I loved his demeanour, he was truly fucked off, and I felt like he competed me and Riggi.

Eriksen - An incredible shift considering the game he'd had 48 hours ago as a CM. Was overall our best player on the night and would have just edged my MOTM but for Son's post match interview, which swung it his way.

Alli - Lots of effort, just not happening on a very frustrating night, decent game though in terms of involvement and work.

Kane - I was a bit disappointed in him tonight, just a bit. It was a tough night but I thought he just wasn't quite in peak Kane mode tonight.

Poch - Pretty terrible night. Poor selections, poor use of squad rotation with another gamein two days, and waited far, far too long to make tactical changes.

Moyes - Just a mention, was pretty honest after the game and when asked should it have been a foul on Lanzini in the build up he replied "at first I thought it was, but I've looked at it again, and the ref was right, it wasn't a foul". Refreshing honesty.

 

[Nocando]

Sissoko - and shirked/slow to challenge on Obiang for the goal too.

I thought Eriksen was more to blame as he just didn't track the 'run' at all and backed off completely. Did you not notice that?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuBoi/status/949030020738990080/video/1

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I thought Eriksen was more to blame as he just didn't track the 'run' at all and backed off completely. Did you not notice that?

Yeah I noticed Eriksen too, but he first goes to Lanini and then has to think about whether to leave Aurier with a 2v1, whilst Sissoko just stands there and takes forever to react and when he does he's pretty weak about it. To be honest, I could give a fuck, it's not like that was my biggest worry where Sissoko is concerned.

 

[Mr Pink]

If we take our chances and get the decisions we rightfully should have, we win easily. That's why the CM2 selection isn't the reason we drop points.

Though I do agree that I'd rather any combo of the three bench options start instead.

The chances wernt all that great. More progressive passing from midfield could of disrupted their shape more, creating a bit more space to enhance the quality of those chances.

I'm not sure why some arnt getting this. We had a lot of possession and territory, which they were happy to cede and said come and break.us down, and we couldn't because we didn't create enough clear cut chances.

More quality on the ball would only of helped and increased our chances of doing so.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

All well and good pointing to possession and shots taken in our desperate final hurrah, those stats can’t defy the visual evidence that we had no answer to a ten man defence and even after conceding needed a wonder goal to rescue us. It’s bad enough that he castrated the attacking quartet with a central pairing a creative as a British artist in the dark ages, but to then make no in game changes whatsoever until after we’ve fallen behind in the 70th minute deserves severe criticism. How is it that our manager is the only person out of 40,000 in the ground (shocking by the way, I’m currently on a train back to Andover and I stayed till the final minute, disgraceful attendance for a must win London Derby) who cannot see that we are not creating a stitch,

Tonight was like the worst version of AVB’s Spurs. Pochettino gets a big fat zero.

Lloris might not have been able to stop that shot, I’ll need to rewatch, but as powerful as it was I can’t shake this nagging feeling that he’s been beaten near post again.

Aurier was our one half decent outlet.

Sanchez was poor again, did his best to gift them a goal, needs to be taken out of the firing line.

Vertonghen was fine, more creative than any of our midfielders.

Davies tried to get forward and put a few okay crosses in but was very heads down when vision was needed.

Dier and Sissoko gave us what you’d expect, complete stagnancy. I can live with duet there but put someone who can pass the ball next to him. Sissoko was far from our worst player but his limitations transcended everything we did.

Eriksen gets some reprieve for at least showing some imagination but he was blunted by all those around him.

Dele wasn’t god awful but he was quite poor. Credit to him for always wanting to try something positive and he took responsibility, but his dawdling and overdoing it wasted several of our most positive opportunities when we were on top during a bright start.

Son wasn’t great, many dead ends and worryingly weak, but he scored a wonder goal to save us and so gets a reprieve,

Kane on the ball tried but it was one of those where he looks like he’s struggling under the weight of carrying the team, and I mean literally not figuratively. Seemed to constantly need a touch more than usual, one to forget.

Lamela, Wanyama and Llorente came on to executes that great tactic: OPERATION KITCHEN SINK. None of them contributed to our equaliser.

Big fat zero for Pochettino. You have a deep enough squad to have used subs wisely, changed the rhythm of the game and actually show some adventure against a side who’s only attacking threat was a centre back scoring a wonder goal. You chose not to use said squad. These dropped points are on your head.

 

[Nocando]

Yeah I noticed Eriksen too, but he first goes to Lanini and then has to think about whether to leave Aurier with a 2v1, whilst Sissoko just stands there and takes forever to react and when he does he's pretty weak about it. To be honest, I could give a fuck, it's not like that was my biggest worry where Sissoko is concerned.

Just posted a link above (hope thats ok). I think it definitely points to Eriksen. He moved towards him then backed off. Admittedly Sissoko could have reacted quicker but i still have that as Eriksens man, regardless of the of west ham player, who is Serge's.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Sort the fucking Midfield Out Poch

There is no point bitching about West Ham's tactics. What else should they do ? Would anyone expect them not to do this, having watched us roll over Southampton and Stoke last two home games ? Well, apparently Poch didn't expect it, because he chose to play a midfield designed for safety and size, not for tempo and incision and creative vim.

Leaving Wanyama and Winks, arguably our best two CM's currently available, having not started two days ago either, whilst Dier had, was beyond baffling, it was plain idiotic.

Shit like today happens in football, but if you don't make the logical choices, let alone the enlightened ones, when you have various better and obvious options at your disposal, then you kind of set yourself to fail. And Poch deserves huge criticism for our failure tonight.

Poch has also continually got his FB rotation wrong, Aurier would have much more logical away at Swansea, where his pace and defending would have been more useful for their counters, whilst Trippier more logical in a game like this where his final ball might just have made a difference, or even better in the 3CB system as a WB.

The selection of Sissoko anywhere is fucking terrible, but as a CM in a CM2 is tactically so ill conceived it's really hard to rationalise. He doesn't want to take the ball off defenders trying to play out, the one time he did he set up West Ham's only attack, and when we attack, he just spends the whole time hiding behind a defender pointing, and whenever the ball goes near him he treats it like it's a live fucking hand grenade. The only possible rationale for playing Sissoko is as a wide AM, running at isolated defenders on the counter, how the fuck was that game ever going to present that, even if Sissoko had been played as an AM. He just barely has the technique to dribble without anyone in front of him, but with a deep block ? Just fucking bonkers that Poch is picking him.

It's hard enough to win games like this even with a great set up, we saw how West Ham did similar to ManC, but to approach this game with a midfield completely lacking in technical ability, tempo, ambition, vision and any incision, effected everything we did, meant that the AM's and forward players were constantly receiving the ball, not just with defenders in front of them, but with 8/9 players in font of them. Making carving anything out almost impossible.

This was one of those games with the frustration button on max. On the odd occasion we did get into promising positions, the ball just would not roll, when it did, everyone bumbled and fumbled it, and when they didn't there were seventeen West Ham players stood in front of their keeper, throwing themselves in front of everything. Then they get the obligatory, once in a career, wonder goal.

Luckily, Son came up with an even better one, and though it wasn't enough to stop me kicking the sofa at the end of the game, it did at least preserve @riggi 's sanity (and mine)

Individual

Lloris - I know this is harsh, but I can't help but feel a bit disappointed he didn't get close to the goal, but he did make a good save too.

Aurier - OK defensively, but absolutely nothing offensively of tangible quality.

Sanchez - Another couple of very dodgy moments.

Vertonghen - Good game.

Davies - Same as Aurier really.

Dier - Really poor first half. Turned backwards when he should have turned forwards, his passing short and long was unreliable and it's not like he was attempting anything incisive or clever.

Sissoko - Poor technique, hid from the ball and pointed a lot, brought absolutely nothing to the game and shirked/slow to challenge on Obiang for the goal too. He just should not be anywhere near this team and it's Poch who deserves the lion share of the criticism because it's frankly piss poor judgement putting him out there.

Son - He tried really hard tonight, and did some good things, in many ways that was one of his best games in a Spurs shirt, I certainly can't remember him ever seeing that much of the ball and being that sure footed with it throughout, (55 passes 87%) but but it just wasn't rolling, then he hit an absolute beauty. But what I loved most was his post match interview. When asked if that was one of his best goals, he replied frankly, dejectedly "It's not important right now, beautiful goal, dirty goal, it's not important, I'm just upset for the three points". I loved his demeanour, he was truly fucked off, and I felt like he competed me and Riggi.

Eriksen - An incredible shift considering the game he'd had 48 hours ago as a CM. Was overall our best player on the night and would have just edged my MOTM but for Son's post match interview, which swung it his way.

Alli - Lots of effort, just not happening on a very frustrating night, decent game though in terms of involvement and work.

Kane - I was a bit disappointed in him tonight, just a bit. It was a tough night but I thought he just wasn't quite in peak Kane mode tonight.

Poch - Pretty terrible night. Poor selections, poor use of squad rotation with another gamein two days, and waited far, far too long to make tactical changes.

Moyes - Just a mention, was pretty honest after the game and when asked should it have been a foul on Lanzini in the build up he replied "at first I thought it was, but I've looked at it again, and the ref was right, it wasn't a foul". Refreshing honesty.

Agreed in the most part but expected both barrels from you on our attack, you’re getting soft in old age.

Maybe I’m being overly critical, the fact that I won’t be home from the match until about 1am is probably fuelling my anger, but we definitely agree on Pochettino 100%. When you know the opposition are coming with no ambition other than to be well drilled defenaively, have some fucking adventure. Fuck sake, even if you want Dier to Anchor, play Lamela instead of Sissoko and let Eriksen and Dele taken the CM mantle and have more space, the can use space, Sissoko can’t! Cowardly selection, cowardly in game management.

 

[tiger666]

Aurier - OK defensively, but absolutely nothing offensively of tangible quality..

Such a shame he's keeping your beloved Trippier out of the side. Arguably motm.

 

[scat1620]

The selection of Sissoko anywhere is fucking terrible, but as a CM in a CM2 is tactically so ill conceived it's really hard to rationalise. He doesn't want to take the ball off defenders trying to play out, the one time he did he set up West Ham's only attack, and when we attack, he just spends the whole time hiding behind a defender pointing, and whenever the ball goes near him he treats it like it's a live fucking hand grenade. The only possible rationale for playing Sissoko is as a wide AM, running at isolated defenders on the counter, how the fuck was that game ever going to present that, even if Sissoko had been played as an AM. He just barely has the technique to dribble without anyone in front of him, but with a deep block ? Just fucking bonkers that Poch is picking him.

Sissoko - Poor technique, hid from the ball and pointed a lot, brought absolutely nothing to the game and shirked/slow to challenge on Obiang for the goal too. He just should not be anywhere near this team and it's Poch who deserves the lion share of the criticism because it's frankly piss poor judgement putting him out there.
days, and waited far, far too long to make tactical changes.

Amen! Preach it, Beece!