Match Ratings Ratings vs Wolves

[Primativ]

I still have massive reservations about Winks.

The reason is he is so so so lightweight in the middle. Usually players who are so feeble and lightweight and slow in central midfield, they have to be absolutely masterful technicians on the ball to justify it. And well, he isn’t.

When wolves brought on Moutinho even in his old age. He was everything Winks should be but I don’t think ever will be.

I watch Winks closely because for me CM is our most dire need of upgrading, and I still just see an average academy kid who isn’t cut out for regular starting.

I just don’t think his ability on the ball is damaging and progressing enough to make up for his other deficiencies.

It’s all well and good to say first half he controlled the midfield and I saw the pundits on my stream bigging him up but I just saw a player Under no pressure passing the ball around like it was a training game, I didn’t think he was that impressive first half it’s just he was under no pressure.

I just have this niggle with Winks that he is fine if we are cruising and dominating a game but as soon as we get the under the cosh he breaks down.

Also he seems to have no shot on him at all and never looks like he is close to scoring. I think it’s odd when you have a CM that carries absolutely no goal threat whatsoever.

I look at Liverpool’s CM and it is there Where they are so much stronger than us.

Wijnaldum is quality and Fabinho is really coming into his own. I watched them against Arsenal and they are quality.

Sissoko as excellent as he has been, obviously long term I don’t think has the attributes I’d want from a starter there but as a squad player like Winks both have value.

It’s credit to Poch he’s coaxed the results and performances he has out of both of them but CM remains our weakest area by a distance.

That is where we fall short of a title challenge. I’d love to see two high quality CMs come in but with Levy it won’t happen.

 

[JimmyG2]

I still have massive reservations about Winks.

The reason is he is so so so lightweight in the middle. Usually players who are so feeble and lightweight and slow in central midfield, they have to be absolutely masterful technicians on the ball to justify it. And well, he isn’t.

When wolves brought on Moutinho even in his old age. He was everything Winks should be but I don’t think ever will be.

I watch Winks closely because for me CM is our most dire need of upgrading, and I still just see an average academy kid who isn’t cut out for regular starting.

I just don’t think his ability on the ball is damaging and progressing enough to make up for his other deficiencies.

It’s all well and good to say first half he controlled the midfield and I saw the pundits on my stream bigging him up but I just saw a player Under no pressure passing the ball around like it was a training game, I didn’t think he was that impressive first half it’s just he was under no pressure.

I just have this niggle with Winks that he is fine if we are cruising and dominating a game but as soon as we get the under the cosh he breaks down.

Also he seems to have no shot on him at all and never looks like he is close to scoring. I think it’s odd when you have a CM that carries absolutely no goal threat whatsoever.

I look at Liverpool’s CM and it is there Where they are so much stronger than us.

Wijnaldum is quality and Fabinho is really coming into his own. I watched them against Arsenal and they are quality.

Sissoko as excellent as he has been, obviously long term I don’t think has the attributes I’d want from a starter there but as a squad player like Winks both have value.

It’s credit to Poch he’s coaxed the results and performances he has out of both of them but CM remains our weakest area by a distance.

That is where we fall short of a title challenge. I’d love to see two high quality CMs come in but with Levy it won’t happen.

'Curb your enthusiasm' dear boy.
How do judge him a squad player
after your dismissive assessment
of his qualities?
Is that just a sop
to us Academyphiles?

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I still have massive reservations about Winks.

The reason is he is so so so lightweight in the middle. Usually players who are so feeble and lightweight and slow in central midfield, they have to be absolutely masterful technicians on the ball to justify it. And well, he isn’t.

When wolves brought on Moutinho even in his old age. He was everything Winks should be but I don’t think ever will be.

I watch Winks closely because for me CM is our most dire need of upgrading, and I still just see an average academy kid who isn’t cut out for regular starting.

I just don’t think his ability on the ball is damaging and progressing enough to make up for his other deficiencies.

It’s all well and good to say first half he controlled the midfield and I saw the pundits on my stream bigging him up but I just saw a player Under no pressure passing the ball around like it was a training game, I didn’t think he was that impressive first half it’s just he was under no pressure.

I just have this niggle with Winks that he is fine if we are cruising and dominating a game but as soon as we get the under the cosh he breaks down.

Also he seems to have no shot on him at all and never looks like he is close to scoring. I think it’s odd when you have a CM that carries absolutely no goal threat whatsoever.

I look at Liverpool’s CM and it is there Where they are so much stronger than us.

Wijnaldum is quality and Fabinho is really coming into his own. I watched them against Arsenal and they are quality.

Sissoko as excellent as he has been, obviously long term I don’t think has the attributes I’d want from a starter there but as a squad player like Winks both have value.

It’s credit to Poch he’s coaxed the results and performances he has out of both of them but CM remains our weakest area by a distance.

That is where we fall short of a title challenge. I’d love to see two high quality CMs come in but with Levy it won’t happen.

You’ll probably get the “if you don’t rate Winks you don’t understand football responses” but I’m also not completely convinced. He’s got a nice burst to break the lines from deep, but that apart I dont see much beyond that. everything always feels a bit too rushed. Passes feel like they come at the wrong time or weighted wrong/played on the wrong side. Defensively he can’t make up for it either as a peak fitness Dembele could.

Obviously its all relative. To be a bona fide starter in a team in and around the top, in probably the hardest position is not easy and at a relatively young age and I guess it comes down to what people are happy to see us as.

 

[Primativ]

You’ll probably get the “if you don’t rate Winks you don’t understand football responses” but I’m also not completely convinced. He’s got a nice burst to break the lines from deep, but that apart I dont see much beyond that. everything always feels a bit too rushed. Passes feel like they come at the wrong time or weighted wrong/played on the wrong side. Defensively he can’t make up for it either as a peak fitness Dembele could.

Obviously its all relative. To be a bona fide starter in a team in and around the top, in probably the hardest position is not easy and at a relatively young age and I guess it comes down to what people are happy to see us as.

I completely agree with you, it isn't easy to play for Spurs in CM at our level. Especially as an academy kid. As we've seen with the likes of Henderson and to a lesser extent Dier, England do not have a top quality CM pool of talent. Henderson is a back up option at Liverpool, Klopp knew to win a title he needed better than Henderson in there. And for me Dier and Winks, neither of them are good enough for us to win things. I think we will need to go foreign to find some talent good enough in CM for us.

It isn't Winks fault he isn't at a high enough level, but I do think Poch has a bit of a blind spot with the kid. He talks about him like's he is Xavi reincarnated but my eyes tell a very different story. England very very rarely produce players like Xavi and even more rarely, are they ever world class.

I keep saying it, but for me Winks is Scott Parker but without the bite and tenacity.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I completely agree with you, it isn't easy to play for Spurs in CM at our level. Especially as an academy kid. As we've seen with the likes of Henderson and to a lesser extent Dier, England do not have a top quality CM pool of talent. Henderson is a back up option at Liverpool, Klopp knew to win a title he needed better than Henderson in there. And for me Dier and Winks, neither of them are good enough for us to win things. I think we will need to go foreign to find some talent good enough in CM for us.

It isn't Winks fault he isn't at a high enough level, but I do think Poch has a bit of a blind spot with the kid. He talks about him like's he is Xavi reincarnated but my eyes tell a very different story. England very very rarely produce players like Xavi and even more rarely, are they ever world class.

I keep saying it, but for me Winks is Scott Parker but without the bite and tenacity.

What about the turning around 360 degrees every five minutes that Parker had in his locker. Winks let’s the ball do the work which is what it’s all about

 

[Primativ]

What about the turning around 360 degrees every five minutes that Parker had in his locker. Winks let’s the ball do the work which is what it’s all about

Winks definitely does that 360 degree turn too, he did it at a couple of times yesterday lol.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Winks definitely does that 360 degree turn too, he did it at a couple of times yesterday lol.

Maybe his injury and the Christmas schedule has turned him into a turner. I hope not

 

[Flashspur]

We should bounce back from this. Better we get swatted now then later in the run in. Some players believing their own press plus complacency.

A paper thin squad ran out of puff and ideas. Having our two regular CMS as crocks on the sidelines does not help. Sissoko needs a break. Winks looks tired. CM was an accident waiting to happen. Tripps is a fucking liability defensively with his groin trouble. Everyone else is carrying long term injuries (Eriksen, Lamela, Vertonhen etc) or is fatigued from the WC. We’ve done brilliantly considering but we haven’t got a 45m pound player we can just throw on from the subs bench like the bin dippers.

Poch has done a good job on a shoe string but it can’t go on forever. I think we need to play a few more academy lads to ease the pressure on the regulars. Our fucking bench looks a joke compared to the Mancs and the Scousers. Even the Blue scum look stronger. Hopefully the lads rest up and re-energise.

Something has to give though. We can’t manage four competitions with this lack of squad depth and Son’s off for a holiday in Asia for 4 weeks as well. Interesting times.

 

[Lighty64]

that 2nd half performance was like going back to the 90's it was very poor. the players where not prepared that Wolves would actually try and get back in the game. Lloris, Trippier, and Winks where very poor, the rest where just poor.

the worst on the field though was the ref, even our goal shouldn't of stood, and looking at the 3 pens Liverpool have had this week we could and should of had 2, the handball before they got the equaliser would of most probably ended the game

 

[Mr Pink]

Never said we were a title contender. Blaming today on tiredness or lack of rotation options is a cop out, we were simply rubbish compared to what we are capable of i.e the previous two games.

Liverpool had much healthier spacing between their games over the festive period, and they had one less to play as well, as we had Arsenal in the Cup.

To be fair, I think that's at least a factor.

 

[whitesocks]

Since we are not allowed to question MP's selection when we win (we won. I was right. The end),
this is a rare chance to give it a prod.

And I'm going to nominate Winks as the DM as questionable.
Yes he is one of our own. Yes he has lots of energy.
Yes he is usually an excellent passer and knits all it together.
Yes we are lucky that he has recovered from injury to play at all this season.
But in this role, inevitably he will have to pick up a runner from midfield and be the last man.

And today he was comfortably beaten and it is not the first time.
They just accelerate away from him.
I'm not sure he anticipates danger and he doesn't have another gear to get him out of trouble.
It is not his size - Parker and Perryman would scamper around tidying up for example.
He is just a bad fit for the DM role as he isn't a defender to any extent.

It wasn't why we lost - we got the formation wrong like we did against arse in the league, and did not compete against a big side that were up for it. But it did not help.

 

[Bulletspur]

Zero spend
No stadium
Won 15 games already best start since 1961
CL last 16
Semi final LC beating scum and pikeys away
2nd in the league above City,chavs, utd and scum
Won 8 out of last 9 games

2 days ago everyone was throwing themselves off the nearest bridge worrying that Poch was off to Utd , now he is useless.


Lose a game and we are legends.......seriously all the mindless knockers fuck off

While I agree that we are in a good position, but not yet quite equipped to win the title, it was the way we lost that disappointed me the most. As I said before there is losing and there is losing, its how you lose is the problem

 

[EastLondonYid]

While I agree that we are in a good position, but not yet quite equipped to win the title, it was the way we lost that disappointed me the most. As I said before there is losing and there is losing, its how you lose is the problem

We all hate losing, the way the boys have been playing and winning i am sure they are hurting too...
Football is about momentum, once they equalised they had it all, i was screaming for a sub before they equalised and wanted Rose on for Dele with Davies making a 3 5 2. We looked completely spent 2nd half...
But my point was its hopefully just a bad day and after the season we have had so far some of the comments on here are OTT at best and some a disgrace

 

[THX2208]

After the result I purposely avoided all highlights and press reviews. How did we actually play? I know we haven't been great defensively all season long and it looks like that might cost us. Looks like Liverpool fans will be gloating come the end of the season. My only upside to this is that I put £20 on Liverpool to win the Premier League back in July ?

 

[Bulletspur]

We all hate losing, the way the boys have been playing and winning i am sure they are hurting too...
Football is about momentum, once they equalised they had it all, i was screaming for a sub before they equalised and wanted Rose on for Dele with Davies making a 3 5 2. We looked completely spent 2nd half...
But my point was its hopefully just a bad day and after the season we have had so far some of the comments on here are OTT at best and some a disgrace

And here lies part of the reason for the problem for the various reactions. You saw a problem with a credible solution, I saw the same problem also with a possible solution and based on the various posts so did others. The question is why didnt Poch? It would have been a different story if all had been tried but failed, as oppose to not trying.

 

[double0]

We lost so let's question Pochettinho? fare dues he could of changed personale and formation which to his credit has been rotating the squad successfully. I don't think system changes are as easy as people make out during games for players, especially with games coming thick and fast over the festive period with the lack of training teams it mainly recovery, the majority of teams including all the top 4 are pretty formated.

 

[punkisback]

Winks definitely does that 360 degree turn too, he did it at a couple of times yesterday lol.

Parker used to do it with no one near him; Winks does it to get out of pressure.

 

[Blake Griffin]

After the result I purposely avoided all highlights and press reviews. How did we actually play? I know we haven't been great defensively all season long and it looks like that might cost us. Looks like Liverpool fans will be gloating come the end of the season. My only upside to this is that I put £20 on Liverpool to win the Premier League back in July ?

1st half we were comfortable without creating too many chances bar a few pot-shots that went close, wolves didn't threaten a great deal other than the odd traore run. 2nd half they were well on top though and were pinning us back, was obvious we needed to change something and poch took the right player off(dele wasn't having the best of games) but replaced him with lucas which made us lose control even more. they scored, we tried to play on the front-foot but a poor pass from eriksen(?) led to a wolves attack which ended up with the ball trickling into the bottom corner. we pushed for an equaliser, though never actually created anything tangible, wolves latched onto another poor ball from trippier(?) and sent the striker through on goal to slot past lloris. we got what we deserved from the game.

 

[stov]

We have won 8 out of 9. Do you mean we have to win every game? without those wins we wouldn't have been in 2nd to start with.
Didn't those games matter?
Don't fall into the trap of the media that we are serious title contenders, they are the same mugs that will take the piss now we have lost one game.
We don't have the squad to win the league, we don't have the stadium to give us that lift either..... Enjoy what a great season we are having and try not to believe all the hype.... We are doing fine thanks

Obviously those games matter. But when we get the chance to put pressure on other teams we rarely do. We put in the hard work but then f it up when it counts.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Obviously those games matter. But when we get the chance to put pressure on other teams we rarely do. We put in the hard work but then f it up when it counts.

When it counts.

Pretty much before every game for the last two or three months someone, in some thread out another has said something along the lines of "massive game, we must win this". So when we eventually lost it was always going to be a game where it 'counts', I honestly don't feel we've fucked anything up.