Redknapp Out; Villas-Boas In

[danielneeds]

you can see why though... plenty to say on motd2 last night but dont attend his teams training session this morning!.

As far as I am aware the manager never takes monday morning training, as they spend most of it doing stretches and warm ups to get themselves loose after the weekend match.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

This season has been a bit of a coming of age for us as this season is the season that clubs really took us seriously especially the lower clubs who have afforded us the respect they reserve for top clubs and have set out to stop us, defending in numbers and getting physical.
True we have been found wanting but that is understandable as we have all the difficulties of a top club with none of the experience, we are not a Man utd who have been in this situation for years and quite honestly are not quite as good as them anyway.
Constant improvement is not continuous it is step by step and you deal with each new obstacle as you get to them, hopefully we will address our playing deficiencies in the summer and having learnt from this season's disappointments our approach next year will be on a whole different level, we won't, for example, approach games against the Wigans, Wolves or Blackpool's of next years prem thinking we are better than them and so should beat them, we will know that we have to earn every single victory and fight & work like we were fighting relegation ourselves.

All this has been new territory for Harry Redknapp as well, after all when has he had a club this big in this position and having learnt the lessons this year he'll be better prepared for next so I can't see the sense of getting rid of him, no sense at all I'm afraid.

So it was the managerial learning curve that led to Redknapp to not realising the importance of beating Wigan, West Brom and Blackpool ?

Come on. There's only one manager in the league more experienced in top flight English management than Redknapp and that's SAF.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I would say you can draw a direct parallel with Ramos first 3/4 season. This season will also be remembered for two big cup performances and a rapid decline post the last one.

You think the football we played under Ramos was any worse than what we have watched the last three months ? Two years down the line with a vastly improved squad ?

You really believe Redknapp has improved any of our players or moulded us into a cohesive, hard working unit ?

Redknapp is a chancer, he's always been a chancer. When his lucks in, he looks great, but luck is never permanent and when it runs out he trots out his usual "we need to spend big" or "some of by big players have let me down" line, or worse "I can only work with the players I have" bollocks.

As if the reason we have taken 3 points form 18 against the bottom three sides in the league is a lack of spending. Of course it's got nothing to do with his ridiculous team selections and tactics and poor coaching methodology or team preparation.

FFS, we aren't even organised at corners. That's shoolboy stuff.

There's no parralel at all. My point is that Ramos only had two good cup performances in his entire time at Spurs.

Redknapp has had one season where he took us from bottom to 7th, one where he got us 4th and another where we've had an excellent run in the competition we've been striving to get in.

You can't compare the two at all and my point is that if Redknapp was able to get us to play so well for two seasons in a row, a three month blip isn't enough to sack him.

 

[Teegart]

Yes but any opinion to the contrary would be wrong :wink:

You surely can't think that winning the Portuguese league with a team that has won that league 4 times in the last 5 years is a bigger achievement than coming 4th in the Premiership with a team that had only got close to doing that once since the Premiership began?

Or that getting to the final of the Europa League is a bigger achievement than getting to the last 8 of the Champions League?

It's not really that simple though is it?

Harry achieved what he has over the last two seasons with us has no doubt been excellent for the most part. He has done this though with 28 years managerial experience behind him.

In his first half a season as a manager, Andre Villas Boas took over a piss poor Academica side who were rooted to the bottom of the league and got them 10 points clear of relegation by the end and also got them into the semis of the Portuguese cup. The next season he set multiple records with Porto, including most points in a season and most wins in a single euro campaign by a Portuguese team among others. Also getting to the final of the Europa.

I have to say, what AVB has done in not even his first two seasons is incredible and is a far better achievement than getting to the last 8 of the Champions league. If you had to compare the two, that's the way I see it anyway.

 

[thekneaf]

Paul Lambert. He's Scottish and scary.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

There's no parralel at all. My point is that Ramos only had two good cup performances in his entire time at Spurs.

Redknapp has had one season where he took us from bottom to 7th, one where he got us 4th and another where we've had an excellent run in the competition we've been striving to get in.

You can't compare the two at all and my point is that if Redknapp was able to get us to play so well for two seasons in a row, a three month blip isn't enough to sack him.

But we aren't playing that great. Players like Modric are, but the team aren't playing as a cohesive unit. We don't defend well and we have been creating nish all season.

You're arguing for more time for Redknapp, but why didn't you argue for more time for Ramos. You believe 3/4 of a season where he also took us from the bottom of the table to safety, won us a trophy was a disaster and 8 games later into a season with no viable strikers and half a new team was time enough to implement his ethos ?

 

[worcestersauce]

So it was managerial the managerial learning curve that led to Redknapp to not realising the importance of beating Wigan, West Brom and Blackpool ?

Come on. There's only one manager in the league more experienced in top flight English management than Redknapp and that's SAF.

I take your point BC but you paraphrase me incorrectly, clearly everybody knows the importance of beating these teams but in which previous premiership season have teams, even up to the top half, come to White Hart Lane intent only on denying us a win and more importantly in which previous season have teams done that even at therir own grounds? I would suggest no other. I would also ask in which previous season has Harry Redknapp ever had a team where he had to deal with that? Again I'd suggest no previous season.
The consequence is that we begin games thinking we'll win and only too late get to grips with the difficulty of the job in hand, I don't say we approached games like that knowingly but it is in the nature of players and people in general to understand good advice and to see the bleeding obvious more easily after a slap round the chops; that's what experience is.

I remain convinced that next season we will take a further large step forward because of our experiences this season.

 

[VegasII]

Ramos was Rebrov. Boas will be Berbatov.

Maybe.

 

[talkshowhost86]

But we aren't playing that great. Players like Modric are, but the team aren't playing as a cohesive unit. We don't defend well and we have been creating nish all season.

You're arguing for more time for Redknapp, but why didn't you argue for more time for Ramos. You believe 3/4 of a season where he also took us from the bottom of the table to safety, won us a trophy was a disaster and 8 games later into a season with no viable strikers and half a new team was time enough to implement his ethos ?

If Ramos had, at any time, shown that he was capable of adapting his 'ethos' to England then he'd have deserved more time but his period in charge is largely memorable for bizarre tactics and little else.

It's also worth noting that his 'poor period' had us in distinct danger of relegation. Harry's 'poor period' has seen us drop from 4th to 6th and go on an unprecedented Champions League run.

The difference between the two is that Ramos never got us playing well. Harry has proved he can make us a top 4 team and, if his head is in the game, deserves a chance to show he can do it again (and let's be fair he's hardly been miles off doing it this season).

 

[talkshowhost86]

Just as an aside, say we do appoint Villas-Boas or whoever is the next 'big' thing in European management, how long would those who want Redknapp out give VB before we turned on him? If we weren't 4th by xmas? Not 4th by the end of the season?

 

[class of 62]

As far as I am aware the manager never takes monday morning training, as they spend most of it doing stretches and warm ups to get themselves loose after the weekend match.

fair play!!.. never knew that.

 

[midoNdefoe]

Just as an aside, say we do appoint Villas-Boas or whoever is the next 'big' thing in European management, how long would those who want Redknapp out give VB before we turned on him? If we weren't 4th by xmas? Not 4th by the end of the season?

A couple of losses under VB and the same people would be harking back to the good ol' days under redknapp.

People need to recognise what we have achieved so far, what we can achieve REALISTICALLY in the coming seasons, and also how difficult it is going to be...(united and chelsea remaining strong, the resurgence of liverpool, the growth of city, arsenals perennial top4ishness)...and how long it would take to get back to where we are now, let alone surpass what we have done this season, if we were to decide to part company with redknapp.

Consistency is the key.
For the first time in years we are genuinely competing for the league, we are recognised as top4 fodder, teams are recognising our strength and we are more than holding our own against the chelseas/arses/utds of the league.

We need a top class striker, not a new manager!

 

[StartingPrice]

My Port-U-Geesy is a bit limited but if Boa-Morte is Death-Snake or summit, ain't Villas-Boas summit like Town-of-Snakes (Snake Town, or is Villas a plural or summit):grin:

 

[thekneaf]

A couple of losses under VB and the same people would be harking back to the good ol' days under redknapp.

People need to recognise what we have achieved so far, what we can achieve REALISTICALLY in the coming seasons, and also how difficult it is going to be...(united and chelsea remaining strong, the resurgence of liverpool, the growth of city, arsenals perennial top4ishness)...and how long it would take to get back to where we are now, let alone surpass what we have done this season, if we were to decide to part company with redknapp.

Consistency is the key.
For the first time in years we are genuinely competing for the league, we are recognised as top4 fodder, teams are recognising our strength and we are more than holding our own against the chelseas/arses/utds of the league.

We need a top class striker, not a new manager!

Well said, we need better fire power to take the pressure off our midfield who are being run ragged at the moment. A striker that can snatch 15 goals a season will see us brush aside lower opposition. We are already competing with the top four when we meet them.

It has been a disappointing end to a fantastic year.

 

[midoNdefoe]

think boas means good dunnit?

 

[talkshowhost86]

think boas means good dunnit?

In which case his name is clearly a lie. There are no good Villas. In fact I'd suggest that having challenged us for 4th last season, Villa will be very disappointed with this season's progress.

I already don't trust him.

As another aside, have we been linked in any way with a move for this bloke or is it just wild speculation?

 

[teddyboy]

[FONT=&quot]For me the lake of goals from the strikers is a big issue here – there’s been far too many games this season where we’ve had more than enough chances to score 4+ goals a game, but for whatever reason it just hasn’t happened. I think if we had a couple of strikes that could bag 18/20 goals each then we’re easily in that top 4 slot, maybe even competing for the title…

Getting rid of Harry IMHO would be a mistake and could result in a player exodus. surely he deserves one more season...[/FONT]

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

get rid of Redknapp???

get rid of the fans who wants to get rid of Redknapp.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

A couple of losses under VB and the same people would be harking back to the good ol' days under redknapp.

People need to recognise what we have achieved so far, what we can achieve REALISTICALLY in the coming seasons, and also how difficult it is going to be...(united and chelsea remaining strong, the resurgence of liverpool, the growth of city, arsenals perennial top4ishness)...and how long it would take to get back to where we are now, let alone surpass what we have done this season, if we were to decide to part company with redknapp.

Consistency is the key.
For the first time in years we are genuinely competing for the league, we are recognised as top4 fodder, teams are recognising our strength and we are more than holding our own against the chelseas/arses/utds of the league.

We need a top class striker, not a new manager!

Redknapp is not consistency. He's out the door the next time England lose a match.

A new manager with a long-term strategy (alongside a new DoF) will give us greater consistency.

A new manager before the summer, rather than in October, will give us greater consistency

 

[danielneeds]

But we aren't playing that great. Players like Modric are, but the team aren't playing as a cohesive unit. We don't defend well and we have been creating nish all season.

You're arguing for more time for Redknapp, but why didn't you argue for more time for Ramos. You believe 3/4 of a season where he also took us from the bottom of the table to safety, won us a trophy was a disaster and 8 games later into a season with no viable strikers and half a new team was time enough to implement his ethos ?

You have totally ignored his point. Redknapp has earned the right for some faith. He took us to 4th. He took us the victories against the European Champions and a victory in the San Siro. All these things mean he has earned the right to some faith during some poor form where we have drawn a lot of games.