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Shanks

Kinda not anymore....
May 11, 2005
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How would you feel if it was your child who wanted to go through with that?

I can't say I'd be over the moon, I'd support them and love them to the hilt, but I'd be devastated for them going through so much shit.
 

Shanks

Kinda not anymore....
May 11, 2005
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I've always really disliked the male body in general....if u look at women's bodies they're perfect, nice boobs at the front for easy access, all the important reproductive stuff is tucked away neatly inside, then you've got the male body, meat and two veg just stuck on the front like some afterthought.
I get the impression whoever was chief designer spent far too much time perfecting the girls and had to whack the bloke together in about 15 minutes.


Anyway, back on topic, hope the Brazilians extradite Ryan Lochte, if only to see Yankspurs meltdown.

One of the stories of the olympics to be honest, what an absolute twat.

Although the highlight of hte olympics for me, well more of a lowlight than anything else was our british tweakondo dude in the final, 6-4 up with 1 second to go - he should have stepped back, but got done... seeing him break down like that afterwards was hard to stomach on TV for me, I felt for the bloke massively.
 

alfie103

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Jun 4, 2005
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Have you seen the high suicide rates in the transgender community (both in those who go through body alteration and not)? There's clearly something wrong with most of these people, and sadly body alteration doesn't seem to be the solution.

One of the great tragedies of this generation is that we're basically letting these people commit self genocide simply because we're too afraid of hurting their feelings.

There are also a lot of issues that trans people go through include rejection from family and friends, social isolation and issues as they generally have had to suppress what they feel due to social stigma. Gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx
 

UpTownSpur

Says it like it is
Dec 31, 2014
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The only comments I've seen as transphobic on here (and there's not many of them) are the ones that deny that someone like Caster Semenya can call themselves 'she'. You can call it a PC buzzword if you like; in reality it's just a word which maybe isn't used regularly but should be easily understandable in the same way that we all now know what homophobia is and rightly call it out when we see it.

I also know that many people don't necessarily understand the issues and I've got no problem discussing this with them without chucking terms about but the core of this is that you and I have no right to state that any transgender or intersex person is necessarily a 'he' or 'she'. That has to be their right to identify themselves how they want based on the gender they feel they are.

I agree with @Shanks post just above to a certain extent - these people are quite literally messed up. Not because of mental illness but because their bodies and their brains don't match, either because they've been born one sex and feel they should be another (in the case of transgender people) or because they haven't been born completely as one sex or the other (intersex people).

The reason I responded to @MaccSpurs in the way I did is because he knows that Semenya identifies as a woman, that she doesn't have male sexual organs and that it would be offensive to her to be called a man and he still choose to do it. I called it transphobic but you could just say it was rude and disrepectful.

Actually, I've got no issue with the view that Semenya shouldn't be running in women's races, not though because she's intersex or not a woman but because her testosterone levels are so high. (In fact, many intersex people don't have as high testosterone levels as Semenya and some that do find their bodies don't actually make use of the extra). If she could bring those down medically there wouldn't be an issue. (For information though, they're nowhere near as high as those for an average man).

The problem as I see it is more to do with prevailing cultural attidues in Africa, which has a completely binary approach towards gender. If she'd been born in Europe, Semenya's "condition" would have been identified earlier and various options would have been presented to her. But the culture she has grown up in only excepts the concept of being either a man or woman, and she was pushed in the latter category because she appears to have some kind of orifice that passes off as a vagina, whereas by every other measure she appears to be a man.

I believe that people should be allowed to be whoever they want to be, but when that's giving them an unfair advantage, as is clearly the case in female sport, then the authorities have the right to demand that she either goes the whole way to become a women and gets her gonads chopped off, or competes as a man
 

Rocksuperstar

Isn't this fun? Isn't fun the best thing to have?
Jun 6, 2005
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So, it's off to the place that will out-mental any mentalometer, the land of the rising sun and the setting 30 foot high testicle fighting a plush toy of Donald Trump and his super powered beagle sidekick. The opening ceremony alone could warp minds hard enough that heads will actually bend out of shape.

On a side note, has anyone watched the 1988 Manga classic, Akira recently? :whistle:
 

Spurger King

can't smile without glue
Jul 22, 2008
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I've always really disliked the male body in general....if u look at women's bodies they're perfect, nice boobs at the front for easy access, all the important reproductive stuff is tucked away neatly inside, then you've got the male body, meat and two veg just stuck on the front like some afterthought.
I get the impression whoever was chief designer spent far too much time perfecting the girls and had to whack the bloke together in about 15 minutes.


Anyway, back on topic, hope the Brazilians extradite Ryan Lochte, if only to see Yankspurs meltdown.

On the plus side men get to enjoy the female body for a bit until they get married.
 

ralvy

AVB my love
Jun 26, 2012
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There are also a lot of issues that trans people go through include rejection from family and friends, social isolation and issues as they generally have had to suppress what they feel due to social stigma. Gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Why is gender dysphoria not a mental illness? Is it because you say so? I read that link and found nothing there to indicate it wasn't an illness. It did state that sometimes the reasons behind it may be biological... but what about those occasions in which they are not?

And yeah, I get there are a lot of social issues people with this condition must be going through. Guess what? It was the same for gay people not that long ago (and in some countries it still is), and suicide rates among gays have never been as high as among trans people. In fact, people in general deal with some of those issues at some point in their lives.

And just to be clear, I'm really not sure whether this really is a mental illness or not. However, its a fact that there are quite a few conditions in which people are not happy with certain aspect(s) of their anatomy and doctors/scientists do not hesitate to label such conditions as mental illnesses... I wonder why some of them must try make an exception with transsexualism or gender dysphoria?
 

barry

Bring me Messi
May 22, 2005
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Have to say @Gbspurs I;m trying to figure out if I'm transphobic here... I suspect I may be just a bit.

If we are talking about people who change their gender, then I don't really agree with it at all, but thats probably down to me being ingnorant on the matter.

I wouldn't consider myself homophobic but seeing two men really kissing in the street still jars me. I don't really like any forms of over the top public affections, be it straight or gay, and I thought that was that, but I came out of bar the other day and saw two men going at it by their car and I have to admit I was disconcerted.
 
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