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Was he really worse than Raziak or Doherty up front?
Depends what you're basing it on? Considering this guy cost £26 million and scored a total of 1 goal in open play in the premier league in comparison with the £1 million Doherty who actually scored a few goals and a few winning goals i may add (as well as the occasional own goal) there is very much an argument to be made that yes this guy was worse.

Just my opinion of course.
 

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Depends what you're basing it on? Considering this guy cost £26 million and scored a total of 1 goal in open play in the premier league in comparison with the £1 million Doherty who actually scored a few goals and a few winning goals i may add (as well as the occasional own goal) there is very much an argument to be made that yes this guy was worse.

Just my opinion of course.
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Depends what you're basing it on? Considering this guy cost £26 million and scored a total of 1 goal in open play in the premier league in comparison with the £1 million Doherty who actually scored a few goals and a few winning goals i may add (as well as the occasional own goal) there is very much an argument to be made that yes this guy was worse.

Just my opinion of course.
He didn't cost £26m though. Come on, this has been done to death. Surely everyone knows that by now? He also didn't "score a total of 1 goal in open play in the Premier League".

Why even contribute if you're just going to make stuff up to suit your point?

Doherty "scored a few goals and a few winning goals"?

He scored 4 league goals in his 64 games for Spurs and 8 in 78 overall. He was a centre-back for most of it, so the comparison is pointless anyway.

Soldado scored 7 in 52 league appearances (23 of which were substitute appearances for a handful of minutes) and 16 in 70 (29 as a substitute) overall.

No, he was not worse than Gary fucking Doherty. It's absolutely embarrassing that anyone would seriously even suggest otherwise.
 
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He didn't cost £26m though. Come on, this has been done to death. Surely everyone knows that by now? He also didn't "score a total of 1 goal in open play in the Premier League".

Why even contribute if you're just going to make stuff up to suit your point?

Doherty "scored a few goals and a few winning goals"?

He scored 4 league goals in his 64 games for Spurs and 8 in 78 overall. He was a centre-back for most of it, so the comparison is pointless anyway.

Soldado scored 7 in 52 league appearances (23 of which were substitute appearances for a handful of minutes) and 16 in 70 (29 as a substitute) overall.

No, he was not worse than Gary fucking Doherty. It's absolutely embarrassing that anyone would seriously even suggest otherwise.
Genuine question, other than a goal against Cardiff, what were his other premier league goals from open play?
 

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He didn't cost £26m though. Come on, this has been done to death. Surely everyone knows that by now? He also didn't "score a total of 1 goal in open play in the Premier League".

Why even contribute if you're just going to make stuff up to suit your point?

Doherty "scored a few goals and a few winning goals"?

He scored 4 league goals in his 64 games for Spurs and 8 in 78 overall. He was a centre-back for most of it, so the comparison is pointless anyway.

Soldado scored 7 in 52 league appearances (23 of which were substitute appearances for a handful of minutes) and 16 in 70 (29 as a substitute) overall.

No, he was not worse than Gary fucking Doherty. It's absolutely embarrassing that anyone would seriously even suggest otherwise.
It's embarrassing to suggest that despite them having comparable records in the league, embarrassing to do this even though Doherty scored more outfield goals than him. Really? This virgorious defence of the player is completely baffling.
 

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The need to either attack or defend players who have left the club baffles me. Have we really run out of scapegoats this early in the season?

Or its a discussion on a forum about the respective merits of a player. Most will acknowledge that player was a poor player for us, I really don't see how anyone could even try to dispute that. The disagreement appears to be the extent.
 

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Or its a discussion on a forum about the respective merits of a player. Most will acknowledge that player was a poor player for us, I really don't see how anyone could even try to dispute that. The disagreement appears to be the extent.
He was a poor scorer for us. His general play was pretty good, down to a undoubted workrate. There, I just disputed it. I like this 'discussion on a forum' thing.
 

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He was a poor scorer for us. His general play was pretty good, down to a undoubted workrate. There, I just disputed it. I like this 'discussion on a forum' thing.
The work rate argument is one aspect that I always take an issue because I actually thought he was quite a lazy player. I lost count of the times that he wouldn't make a run with the attack, the amount of times he was missing when the ball was put in. The criticism fell upon the rest of the team, that were not creating for him but the reality was that much of the fault layed with his movement and his desire to get into the right position, which for me was abysmal. That was one of my biggest annoyances with him.
 

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The work rate argument is one aspect that I always take an issue because I actually thought he was quite a lazy player. I lost count of the times that he wouldn't make a run with the attack, the amount of times he was missing when the ball was put in. The criticism fell upon the rest of the team, that were not creating for him but the reality was that much of the fault layed with his movement and his desire to get into the right position, which for me was abysmal. That was one of my biggest annoyances with him.
Well, clearly we disagree on that. As time has passed I can't recall the particular instances you do but I know at them time I felt he was doing all he could but it wasn't happening for him. I don't just say this as a form of defence. I have seen plenty of players who don't put in that effort.
 

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The work rate argument is one aspect that I always take an issue because I actually thought he was quite a lazy player. I lost count of the times that he wouldn't make a run with the attack, the amount of times he was missing when the ball was put in. The criticism fell upon the rest of the team, that were not creating for him but the reality was that much of the fault layed with his movement and his desire to get into the right position, which for me was abysmal. That was one of my biggest annoyances with him.
Everytime I went to the lane when he was playing he stood around the D doing the square route of fuck all most of the time.
I'm sure the fans that talk about his work rates listen to matches on the radio if at all.
 

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... it seemed the harder he tried the worse it got.
And with that, I think we can all agree he must have been trying very hard indeed.

To be fair to some extent, we rarely look to find the strikers early - this has been an ongoing problem for years.
Even if Bob was static, Lennon was repeatedly making runs, but we've had no-one to make that pass.
Eric has clipped a few in and so has Alderweireld this last year, and this needs to be encouraged.
True, they are both defensive by nature, but in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
 

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Got to admit, it is kinda funny that everyone who backs/backed him and appreciated the effort has come into this thread said, "he tried, etc.", are met with "HE SUCKED! HE WAS WORSE THAN SUCKED!" so they shrug and leave. Then in comes someone else, only to find that the detractors are still here.

Why?

You've all said your piece, we've all said our piece, we've left to go about our day, yet it seems those who didn't rate him have set it as a mission to make sure everyone is told they are wrong if they think otherwise.

Get over it, guys, really. You're the only ones keeping this thread going now.

This virgorious[sic] assault of one of our EX squad members is completely baffling. It's as if people need to force negativity into those who had a more positive outlook. Frankly, i'd be upset with myself if i dedicated as much time as some of you have to slating a guy who doesn't even play for us anymore.

tl;dr - Jenas.
 

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This is the point - I don't see why people feel the need to criticise him still when this thread has become a general football thread to talk about him in general.

Mostly these days it's seeing how he's doing, checking his injury progress, and enjoying when he says something nice about Spurs.

Why the same old people feel the need to keep coming back and saying the same old criticisms when they're no longer relevant to us in any way I don't know.
 

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The thing that says the most about Bobby was the reaction from his team mates when he left. They were all genuinely sad to see him go, regularly wishing him well across various forms of media and social media, which is an indication of the high regard in which he was held in the dressing room. I don't think there was a single player in the senior squad at the time who had a social media account that didn't post some sort of farewell message. If you can engender that much respect from your team mates despite regularly struggling on the pitch it says a lot about your personality and character.

Regardless of his performances, which I think almost everyone will say were poor, I will always respect him for these reasons and his genuine passion and love for the club.

Fuck, the bloke even apologised for his performances and apologised to the fans for not meeting our expectations.
 

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He had zero luck. Sometimes a ball spins or bounces in your favor, one off the post will ping across and just sneak over the line, the keeper will slip up, or you get into a one on one - Solly didn't ever get a single shred of luck. If a ball could curve or bounce the wrong way, it did. If it hit the post, it'd spin away from goal every time. Keepers had blinders against him, it actually started to feel a bit out of order watching this clearly talented and determined guy rolling ones.

As much as it can't be proven, i can't explain why, but if anyone asks me why he didn't make it at Spurs - torrential and persistent shitty luck. That's all.
Honestly, it wasn't luck. He was very, very useless. It was psychological.

Maybe bad luck initiated the psychological downturn, but it simply wasn't the case that he was on the cusp of being brilliant but suffered 'persistent bad luck' for two years. That just doesn't happen.

Nice guy though, wish him well.
 

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Honestly, it wasn't luck. He was very, very useless. It was psychological.

Maybe bad luck initiated the psychological downturn, but it simply wasn't the case that he was on the cusp of being brilliant but suffered 'persistent bad luck' for two years. That just doesn't happen.

Nice guy though, wish him well.
I agree that it was definitely psychological - every report we heard from any ITK was that he smashed them in for fun every day in training - no-one at the club, least of all himself, could understand what was happening to him in the league (it should be pointed out he had a decent scoring record in all the cups).
 
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