Rose speaks openly about battle with depression

[Sweetsman]

Perhaps you should get a little perspective and recognise that being open and honest about his experience is more important than football. Here's a thought for you - if a player feels his employers did nothing to help him with his mental health issues, maybe you should give him the benefit of the doubt rather than getting upset because he didn't say some positive things (which he presumably wouldn't mean if they didn't support him) about the club.

It was club medical team who referred him. My issues with him were not to do with his depression, they were to do with the other stuff he said that was questionable. I'm sure that the journalist involved was happy because it wrote his article for him. Of course, mental health is more important than football, but his issues related to his job in large part. He isn't an idiot and chose the timing to divulge the history. This was a pre-WC event by to get the media onside, after all, not a CALM event.

 

[double0]

It is a shame that you feel that way, I hope that one day you change your perspective through maturity and learning rather than experience, and that neither you nor anyone you care about ever experience mental health problems.

You are ignorant if you believe that I haven't come across such things in my inner circle of friends family neighbours. I personally feel Rose has again gone down the wrong Road, because we live in a media click bite world certain things should be kept amount the people that actually care about him.

 

[Disconosebleed]

Fair enough. If you've experienced mental health issues first or second-hand and still have those opinions and outlooks, I'm not sure there is anything I can say to you.

 

[Sweetsman]

I didn't mean you being critical in the past - I meant others who have been doing that on here.

Timing isn't that bad - it's after the end of our season and getting things off his chest before the World Cup. I assume he cleared it with Southgate first, but not sure.

I assume he's being critical of the treatment for his physical injury, but grateful for the psychological help. Players do have disagreements about treatment, whether they're right or not - also he was frustrated and angry at not recovering and not playing.

I really don't see a big deal in his "criticism" of the club over this. Hopefully he's back on track now and back with us next season, but I guess we'll see...

With regard to the physical treatment, that's hindsight. The club doctor would have sought specialist advice. The same approach has been applied to Winks.

 

[Yid_Summers]

This sort of comment can be incredibly dangerous. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you said it through ignorance rather than malevolence and recommend reading up a little about mental health.

A couple of links that would be worth checking out to ensure you're well prepared if anyone you care about ever experiences mental health issues:

https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/

https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/helping-someone-else/

Try to think a bit more about what you're saying in future, not only for your benefit but for the benefit of those around you. For obvious reasons, mental health is a very sensitive subject and thoughtless comments can potentially have more serious consequences than you realise.

EDIT: same goes to @Double_A and @Yid_Summers. Educate yourselves. Football is not the most important thing in the world.

It’s got nothing to do with educating myself. I just couldn’t give a shit. I’ve got a Wife and 3 kids, I know football isn’t important.

If someone close to me develops mental health issues, then I’ll care. Danny Rose, all these other celebrities and athletes, can do one. Could not care less.

So dislike, disagree, say whatever you want. I don’t care.

 

[guiltyparty]

Fair enough. If you've experienced mental health issues first or second-hand and still have those opinions and outlooks, I'm not sure there is anything I can say to you.

I think you’re being quite high and mighty on this. There’s no ‘right’ reaction to this.

Rose has for a long time been a ‘drama queen’. That he has mental health issues gives this important context and it is good he is airing it, and that he is seeking help.

This does not preclude someone thinking his handling of telling his parents or airing it on the brink of the World Cup a bit of an unnecessary thing to do/cry for help.

His mental health situation may explain it but I’m not sure it should absolve it. If anything it flags he has quite a way to go in learning about himself - which is an important thing to identify in the process of recovery/management.

 

[Japhet]

He may well have got this out in the open because the World Cup gives him an opportunity to distance himself from it while the dust settles. I'm sure his family lean heavily on him and maybe he'd be overwhelmed by that without a bit of distance.

 

[chavkev]

As unpleasant as this is about to sound, my primary concern would be the value that Tottenham Hotspur can receive for him. He has my sympathies as a private citizen, however he is also a potential 40m unit. We are still going to need a LB soon and maximising the utility (increased performance vs sale) of Danny Rose still has to be of paramount importance to THFC.

 

[Phantom]

If someone close to me develops mental health issues, then I’ll care. Danny Rose, all these other celebrities and athletes, can do one. Could not care less.
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Wow these are people too, where is the compassion? Fair enough if there are people you really hate and think "fuck em" but literally anyone famous? That's cold. Now I hated the way Rose has "stepped out of line" this season and am fairly ambivalent about his future here, but he clearly needs support. The club and fans should do everything in their power to support him. Just purely from the point of view that he is a Human being not an asset, not an employee etc.

Society worries me sometimes, we should care about others. People should work together, otherwise we have a pretty bleak future.

 

[Sweetsman]

Wow these are people too, where is the compassion? Fair enough if there are people you really hate and think "fuck em" but literally anyone famous? That's cold. Now I hated the way Rose has "stepped out of line" this season and am fairly ambivalent about his future here, but he clearly needs support. The club and fans should do everything in their power to support him. Just purely from the point of view that he is a Human being not an asset, not an employee etc.

Society worries me sometimes, we should care about others. People should work together, otherwise we have a pretty bleak future.

I'd like to teach the world to sing
And furnish it with love
And apple trees and honey bees
And a snow-white turtle dove.
(Probably misheard lyrics)

 

[ralvy]

Wow these are people too, where is the compassion? Fair enough if there are people you really hate and think "fuck em" but literally anyone famous? That's cold. Now I hated the way Rose has "stepped out of line" this season and am fairly ambivalent about his future here, but he clearly needs support. The club and fans should do everything in their power to support him. Just purely from the point of view that he is a Human being not an asset, not an employee etc.

Society worries me sometimes, we should care about others. People should work together, otherwise we have a pretty bleak future.

Nah, these are people who make all the money in the world... they have the means to deal with their own issues as best as they can. Most of us don't get that luxury, so excuse me if I don't have the energy or time to be caring that much about their own personal business.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Can't believe some of the attitudes in here towards mental health. True colours being shown it seems.

Anyone talking about depression or any other kind of mental illness is incredibly brave. Everyone has their own way of dealing with their problems. No one is in a position to judge.

I hope Danny gets the support he needs.

 

[Yid_Summers]

Wow these are people too, where is the compassion? Fair enough if there are people you really hate and think "fuck em" but literally anyone famous? That's cold. Now I hated the way Rose has "stepped out of line" this season and am fairly ambivalent about his future here, but he clearly needs support. The club and fans should do everything in their power to support him. Just purely from the point of view that he is a Human being not an asset, not an employee etc.

Society worries me sometimes, we should care about others. People should work together, otherwise we have a pretty bleak future.

Yes they are people. But let’s say I phone Danny, and tell him someone under the handle of Phantom in Spurs Community has been under strain and is depressed. Do you honestly think he’ll give a fuck.

I know being injured is hard, I tore my ACL in my knee last year playing football. But I didn’t have the luxury of sitting on my ass, wallowing in self pity with my 60-70k a week wages to keep me company. I had to do my 60 hours a week job on crutches followed by a knee brace. So do I feel sympathy for Rose and others like it? No. I’d feel more sorry for a person who works for a living and isn’t in the public eye. And especially one that doesn’t slag of his employer who’s paid him millions to do fuck all.

 

[ralvy]

Can't believe some of the attitudes in here towards mental health. True colours being shown it seems.

Anyone talking about depression or any other kind of mental illness is incredibly brave. Everyone has their own way of dealing with their problems. No one is in a position to judge.

I hope Danny gets the support he needs.

What's so brave about being an attention whore?

I'm sure there are people out there who truly care about Danny, people who would feel way more than just "compassion" when hearing about his struggles. And there are probably also people whom Danny Rose sincerely cares about. That's the people who Danny Rose should be telling these things, not the media.

But sure, you guys keep jerking each others off about how much "compassion" you feel for Danny Rose. Hope you guys aren't experiencing any vertigo due to the inmense height of that horse you're sitting on.

 

[Gassin's finest]

What's so brave about being an attention whore?

I'm sure there are people out there who truly care about Danny, people who would feel way more than just "compassion" when hearing about his struggles. And there are probably also people whom Danny Rose sincerely cares about. That's the people who Danny Rose should be telling these things, not the media.

But sure, you guys keep jerking each others off about how much "compassion" you feel for Danny Rose. Hope you guys aren't experiencing any vertigo due to the inmense height of that horse you're sitting on.

Why the need to be so deliberately unpleasant and antagonistic about it?

If you think it's about feeling sorry for someone, then you miss the point spectacularly. And it's not me who's exhibiting the massive chip on their shoulders...

 

[ralvy]

Why the need to be so deliberately unpleasant and antagonistic about it?

If you think it's about feeling sorry for someone, then you miss the point spectacularly. And it's not me who's exhibiting the massive chip on their shoulders...

Nah, I think I'm getting the point just fine. See, you're giving Rose the 'poor victim' treatment, that's probably why you feel is so brave of him to be opening out about all of this. And now no one is allowed to say anything that doesn't go along the lines of "poor Danny, we support you!" without being perceived as unpleasant.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Nah, I think I'm getting the point just fine. See, you're giving Rose the 'poor victim' treatment, that's probably why you feel is so brave of him to be opening out about all of this. And now no one is allowed to say anything that doesn't go along the lines of "poor Danny, we support you!" without being perceived as unpleasant.

Wow.

 

[mttgary]

Being depressed might well explain his mediocre performances in most of the games he played for us this season......though he played very well in the last game so this might have been an indicator that he had got over his depression...……….

 

[Yakflange]

Nah, these are people who make all the money in the world... they have the means to deal with their own issues as best as they can. Most of us don't get that luxury, so excuse me if I don't have the energy or time to be caring that much about their own personal business.

It was only a matter of time before someone pulled out the "he's rich therefore shouldn't be depressed" argument.

Excellent work.

 

[Yid_Summers]

It was only a matter of time before someone pulled out the "he's rich therefore shouldn't be depressed" argument.

Excellent work.

Stop putting words in people’s mouth. He never said that! He said he has the means to deal with it himself.