sack him

[SNAFU_Clarke]

I think we should offer him a new contract personally.

 

[mattstev2000]

Sacking him now would be ridiculous. But if he fails to get fourth again with the squad we have then he is underachieving (especially considering how with have fallen away this season) and shouldn't be in charge next season.

 

[Misfit]

I'm all for not sacking him now. WTF is that about? Makes no sense and let's brace ourselves - we can still finish top 4 - being in 4th place and all. One or two comments though. Do some people really believe the only way to improve our managerial position from Harry is by hiring Maureen? Nobody else could improve our chances by more than fractions other than Maureen?

I realise his stock has risen dramatically since taking the Spurs job but Jesus, that's meteoric.

 

[mpickard2087]

I'm all for not sacking him now. WTF is that about? Makes no sense and let's brace ourselves - we can still finish top 4 - being in 4th place and all. One or two comments though. Do some people really believe the only way to improve our managerial position from Harry is by hiring Maureen? Nobody else could improve our chances by more than fractions other than Maureen?

I realise his stock has risen dramatically since taking the Spurs job but Jesus, that's meteoric.

I think the point being made was who could you safely say would improve us when Harry leaves? The list isnt exactly a long one.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I'm all for not sacking him now. WTF is that about? Makes no sense and let's brace ourselves - we can still finish top 4 - being in 4th place and all. One or two comments though. Do some people really believe the only way to improve our managerial position from Harry is by hiring Maureen? Nobody else could improve our chances by more than fractions other than Maureen?

I realise his stock has risen dramatically since taking the Spurs job but Jesus, that's meteoric.

And some would say rightly so. For three seasons running we've been well in the mix for a CL place, regardless of where we end up this season and quite possibly a second cup final to boot. But put that aside, we are where we are and if we're looking for someone to kick us on, then there's only one name that pretty much guarantees it isn't there?

That's not to say there aren't some decent candidates and of course its always possible that one of them could do it, but it would be much more of a gamble IMO. That's all i'm saying.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I think the point being made was who could you safely say would improve us when Harry leaves? The list isnt exactly a long one.

Yeah thats it.

 

[ryantegan]

I get the impression that the ones calling for his head are also the ones that started the "Mind the Gap" nonsense!

Eating a little bit of humble pie right now, and it dont taste so sweet

 

[WestBelfast Spurs]

We need to finish 4th cant see certain players staying and playing in the ropa league again ffs

 

[StartingPrice]

Never once said mind the gap, I did think we had done enough to finish above the Goons even if we had a mini-dip during our hard run - and still harbour hopes that we will finish above them, but, even so, feel kinda humble pie-ish. I don't think we should sack him now. I do think that if we fail to finish in the top 4 it may be time to happily wave him off to Engerland, or gracefully move him on, but if we do finish in the top 4 and he doesn't hop it to AngrrrrLund, and Levy decides to let him go at it again, I can live with that.

Definitely/Maybe

 

[ryantegan]

never once said mind the gap, I did think we had done enough to finish above the Goons even if we had a mini-dip during our hard run - and still harbour hopes that we will finish above them, but, even so, feel kinda humble pie-ish. I don't think we should sack him now. I do think that if we fail to finish in the top 4 it may be time to happily wave him off to Engerland, or gracefully move him on, but if we do finish in the top 4 and he doesn't hop it to AngrrrrLund, and Levy decides to let him go at it again, I can live with that.

Definitely/Maybe

Thats pretty much where I'm at as well in truth. I do however believe that Harry has earned the right to decide his own fate. I dont agree with the public silence but if thats the way he wants to play it then so be it. Let he be judged on that in may!

 

[Misfit]

Well I guess it comes down to whether or not you think Harry is a very good manager to begin with. I don't think he is one of the best managers, when everything is taken into account. That's not to say he hasn't done a good job here or that he doesn't have very obvious qualities but he's been far from perfect and whilst there is always a danger of Levy appointing a disaster a la Wendy via DC, I don't think it requires Maureen, and only Maureen, to kick us on.

That thinking is just, and no offence intended, as lazy in its overestimation of Harry as those who constantly underestimate and belittle him.

He's done a very good job in getting us out of the directionless, soulless mess we were in under Wendy and has probably, if we're all honest with ourselves, surpassed our expectations of him. That doesn't automatically mean he's the man to take us forward in the medium-term though.

If Levy says he stays, he stays, and I will support him and hope with every fibre of my being that Spurs can do as well as possible under him. But if not, then oh well. I won't be pulling out my hair with worry as I don't think the only alternative is shit or bust, or if you like Maureen or bust.

 

[StartingPrice]

Well I guess it comes down to whether or not you think Harry is a very good manager to begin with. I don't think he is one of the best managers, when everything is taken into account. That's not to say he hasn't done a good job here or that he doesn't have very obvious qualities but he's been far from perfect and whilst there is always a danger of Levy appointing a disaster a la Wendy via DC, I don't think it requires Maureen, and only Maureen, to kick us on.

That thinking is just, and no offence intended, as lazy in its overestimation of Harry as those who constantly underestimate and belittle him.

He's done a very good job in getting us out of the directionless, soulless mess we were in under Wendy and has probably, if we're all honest with ourselves, surpassed our expectations of him. That doesn't automatically mean he's the man to take us forward in the medium-term though.

If Levy says he stays, he stays, and I will support him and hope with every fibre of my being that Spurs can do as well as possible under him. But if not, then oh well. I won't be pulling out my hair with worry as I don't think the only alternative is shit or bust, or if you like Maureen or bust.

We had a direction under Wandery...that's crayzee talk...we had a definite direction under him. Now, were anyone of the players following that direction - that's a different matter, all together...he Could Big Tom THudd's tommy sauce of him, I mean, FFS

 

[Misfit]

Well yes, but easier to sack the manager I guess. However, the way the team bombed after the LC was disgraceful - bit like Pool this season really. A few players should have followed Wendy and DC out but that's by the by now I guess. Still, showed a few of them up for what they were - limited players. Limited in that they couldn't dream of putting in hard graft and so will never achieve anything tangible.

He went full retard at the end though. I was only surprised he hadn't put Gio in goal by the end of it. Or Jenas even. He played the poor bastard pretty much everywhere else, should have gone for the full set.

That mindset still lingers though, for me. The manager, whether it's Harry or a someone new, will have to do the hard work, and be fully backed by Levy and I hope the supporters, of rooting out any remaining shithouses lurking in the squad. That loser's mentality still hangs around the place, despite it being pushed to fringes for most of this season, and it simply has to be cut out like the cancer it is if this club is to push on. That is the thing that really prevents us from making that next step, imo.

 

[teddyboy]

I'm not sure getting rid of Harry is the answer, but I do feel our lack of ambition, possibly at boardroom level, during the last two transfer windows has been a major factor.

Letting Cahill go to Chelski was, IMO, a bad mistake - even if he would have cost us 10m to 15m it would still have been worth it, IMO. At the moment we have a crumbling and decaying defense, which with Kings will he wont he play approach, is so unsettling.
Also I think the King situation is starting to take its toll. Don't get me wrong I love Ledders but just because he has served us so well in the past surely that shouldn't guarantee him a start each time he's fit.

Its a terrible shame we've thrown away such a lead but I'm hopeful for the future... At least I think so...

Look a genuine high calibre Central Defender, a goal scoring midfielder (10+) and a 20+ goals a season striker and we're serious title contenders. That is of course subject to us keeping hold of all of our good players as well.

rant over

 

[ryantegan]

I'm not sure getting rid of Harry is the answer, but I do feel our lack of ambition, possibly at boardroom level, during the last two transfer windows has been a major factor.

Letting Cahill go to Chelski was, IMO, a bad mistake - even if he would have cost us 10m to 15m it would still have been worth it, IMO. At the moment we have a crumbling and decaying defense, which with Kings will he wont he play approach, is so unsettling.
Also I think the King situation is starting to take its toll. Don't get me wrong I love Ledders but just because he has served us so well in the past surely that shouldn't guarantee him a start each time he's fit.

Its a terrible shame we've thrown away such a lead but I'm hopeful for the future... At least I think so...

Look a genuine high calibre Central Defender, a goal scoring midfielder (10+) and a 20+ goals a season striker and we're serious title contenders. That is of course subject to us keeping hold of all of our good players as well.

rant over

And what a very well put together rant it was.

Spot on

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

That mindset still lingers though, for me. The manager, whether it's Harry or a someone new, will have to do the hard work, and be fully backed by Levy and I hope the supporters, of rooting out any remaining shithouses lurking in the squad. That loser's mentality still hangs around the place, despite it being pushed to fringes for most of this season, and it simply has to be cut out like the cancer it is if this club is to push on. That is the thing that really prevents us from making that next step, imo.

That and about £70-80m a year in revenue.

 

[StartingPrice]

Well yes, but easier to sack the manager I guess. However, the way the team bombed after the LC was disgraceful - bit like Pool this season really. A few players should have followed Wendy and DC out but that's by the by now I guess. Still, showed a few of them up for what they were - limited players. Limited in that they couldn't dream of putting in hard graft and so will never achieve anything tangible.

He went full retard at the end though. I was only surprised he hadn't put Gio in goal by the end of it. Or Jenas even. He played the poor bastard pretty much everywhere else, should have gone for the full set.

That mindset still lingers though, for me. The manager, whether it's Harry or a someone new, will have to do the hard work, and be fully backed by Levy and I hope the supporters, of rooting out any remaining shithouses lurking in the squad. That loser's mentality still hangs around the place, despite it being pushed to fringes for most of this season, and it simply has to be cut out like the cancer it is if this club is to push on. That is the thing that really prevents us from making that next step, imo.

Calm down, lah, calm down, I woz ownly Joe-King, like, soft-lad

Anyway, I agree with everything you say - even when you say SP must be chopped into little pieces, baked in a pie and fed to hie Elterns

 

[Misfit]

That and about £70-80m a year in revenue.

Yeah, it's not like we were 3rd with a double digit lead or anything.

But no, that didn't happen, we all just imagined that. The reason we're not 3rd now and 2 months into a terrible run is because we don't have an extra £70m in the bank and we didn't sign Gary "Lucas" Cahill apparently.

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

Yeah, it's not like we were 3rd with a double digit lead or anything.

But no, that didn't happen, we all just imagined that. The reason we're not 3rd now and 2 months into a terrible run is because we don't have an extra £70m in the bank and we didn't sign Gary "Lucas" Cahill apparently.

your response to my post does not make any sense at all.

 

[seanwhite1961]

The sacking him comments are off the mark. There's no upside to sacking him now and we'd look ridiculous for sacking someone who recently had us in 3rd place.

But HR needs to be accountable. He has played the same players every league game where possible. They shouldn't be tired as a different set of players played in our short EL campaign and the FA Cup is hardly taxing.

We had a run of hard games but it's no longer just those games we are dropping points in. We didn't deserve 3 points against Everton, Stoke or Norwich. For a club so close to 3rd place that's really poor.

Arsenal didn't deserve 3 points against Liverpool or Sunderland. That's a big factor in football - you get what you deserve over a season but not necessarily in individual games.