scouting and transfers

[GetSpurredOn]

I do agree Sandro Ramirez may have been worth a punt at £5m for a pacy/tricky WF option. I also don't believe we'd have had to pay him £120k a week. Admittedly that may or may not be what Everton may be paying, but I think given our higher profile, he may have accepted less. Taking into account the failure to add a pacy/tricky WF, he most definitely would have been worth trying, as even if he didn't pan out, recovering our outlay would be easy.

Moving past that, not a bad job done this summer.

• Sanchez has potential to come in and quickly be a top level performer who bridges the gap between having Toby and Jan start, and what happens if/when they are unavailable. One of our downfalls last year was not the starting 11, but the calibre of those who came in to replace them.
• Foyth has the potential to be a Sanchez type in a season or two, but we've got him for roughly a quarter of what we've paid for Sanchez because we've got in early. We often moan about not buying players at source for £5-10m ish, but ending up targeting them a season too late, or after another move, getting quoted 3x that.
• Aurier seems to have all the physical tools to slot straight in for Walker, probably at a level whereby without the background problems he'd probably have been out of our reach. Looks to be a great balance of Walker's pace, mixed with Trippier's attacking intent.
• Llorente, to me he's the most sensible of the signings. Experience at the top level, plus proven in English football. Gives us another dimension, and with his physicality he may just create extra space for other players. In today's market, his fee, even at his age, looks a very astute bit of business.
• Gazzaniga, just adds another keeper in place of Lopez, who may or may not play, but in reality Poch, Jimenez and co have worked closely with him previously whilst at Southampton, so he's a known quantity to them, and must have something they think they can work with.

The interesting thing will be what business we do in January. Typically it's a quiet time, but given the strong suggestions we'll be going in for Barkley, plus the clear fact we were looking for a pacy wide forward but didn't get one over the line, you'd assume that will still be on the shopping list. If the rumours of adding Barkley and Sessegnon turned out to be true, I think we'd be left with very little need for change next summer, with the exception of replacing any outgoings.

I'd imagine Carter-Vickers and Onomah will return from loan, hopefully improved by the experience of regular competitive football, coming back to add further competition for places. Add to that, the continued development//maturity/progression of players like KWP, Tanganga, TOB, Edwards etc. Positive times ahead.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

But I'm not saying its guaranteed, I'm just saying lets scout and get a 16-17 year old Martial for 6 million and see how it works, low risk high reward. We did that with Bale and look what happened.

In our case it was Modric he was 22 and we brought him for 16 million. I'm not asking for guarantees, I'm just saying lets make the scouting network the best it can be, in order to give ourselves a better chance of winning things and improving.

So add to that the inflation of transfer fees and isn't that exactly what we've done with Sanchez?

 

[Mullers]

Like Marcus Edwards?

If Edwards was at another club, I'd certainly say that he is talent we should be looking at.

 

[Mullers]

So add to that the inflation of transfer fees and isn't that exactly what we've done with Sanchez?

Sanchez may well double in price, what I'm saying is with good scouting we could be buying him for 5 million like Ajax.

 

[Shadydan]

If Edwards was at another club, I'd certainly say that he is talent we should be looking at.

Just proved my point mate, Marcus Edwards is a prospect that you wish for yet how much game time is he currently getting?

Also the club had been scouting in Jaden Sancho who is a prospect yet we couldn't get it over the line through no fault of our own therefore they are doing the things you wish for.

 

[Mullers]

Just proved my point mate, Marcus Edwards is a prospect that you wish for yet how much game time is he currently getting?

Also the club had been scouting in Jaden Sancho who is a prospect yet we couldn't get it over the line through no fault of our own therefore they are doing the things you wish for.

Perhaps Poch doesn't think he is ready yet, maybe Marcus will make it maybe he won't but as an attacker I think he has more of a chance than if he was a defender.

I'm aware that the club were looking at Sancho, I'd like to see them doing more of that.

 

[Mullers]

I can't disagree with the last paragraph, of course we should be investing in our scouting and I'm sure we are. The issue that you're ignoring is that for every Martial there are 50 duds. You can't just take a scattergun approach and take punts on young players hoping they'll make the grade, it's not viable for a club aiming for honours.

We've invested a huge amount of money in our academy and we've seen it bare fruit with Mason, Livermore, Bentaleb, CCV, KWP, Kane and Winks all playing notable parts in our first team. We don't need to go out and take risks in the market over unknown entities when we have a production line producing our own talent who are coached specifically for our style of play and who will provide no surprises in terms of character or mentality.

I wouldn't say scattergun approach, obviously scout the player make sure their attitude is right etc and try to buy at a low price, like Arnesen was doing, not much was lost on players that didnt make it.
I think we need a mix, we've bared fruit but not everyone makes it to the first team those that dont make it we can get a good fee and reinvest again in young talent. There was a time when we never consider paying 15 million for a 32 year old, I know the transfermarket has changed but it's still too much, I would have felt better if we had got him on a free for a very cheap price.

 

[Shadydan]

Perhaps Poch doesn't think he is ready yet, maybe Marcus will make it maybe he won't but as an attacker I think he has more of a chance than if he was a defender.

I'm aware that the club were looking at Sancho, I'd like to see them doing more of that.

This is the point though isn't it? If an up and coming academy player isn't ready than what chance does a player if we sign them at 16/17 have, they're not going to be getting matches hence your wish of buying players in the early stages isn't always the best option...I mean Antony Martial wouldn't have been Antony Martial if he hadn't had got that prior experience by playing matches with Monaco in the first place.

 

[Mullers]

This is the point though isn't it? If an up and coming academy player isn't ready than what chance does a player if we sign them at 16/17 have, they're not going to be getting matches hence your wish of buying players in the early stages isn't always the best option...I mean Antony Martial wouldn't have been Antony Martial if he hadn't had got that prior experience by playing matches with Monaco in the first place.

It depends, not all players are the same, some sink, some swim, it's a huge pay off if they swim, if we sign them when they are a little older it's ok as long as we discover them first.

You might be right that Antony Martial getting the experience at Monaco was best for him, equally I could say he may have been an even bigger star than he is now if we got to him first, if we don't try then we'll never know.

 

[branchie]

Well, Sandro was awesome today...

 

[dontcallme]

Well, Sandro was awesome today...

And Sanchez, such a needless signing

 

[Mullers]

Well, Sandro was awesome today...

Well if players were written off after 4 or 5 games, Kane would no longer be at the club and Lamela how long did he take to get settled?

 

[Pellshek]

Who's in charge of our transfers these days? I've completely lost track. We know Poch has final say of course, and Levy does all the business stuff, but who else is driving the transfer bus? Who's doing the DoF role?

 

[Shadydan]

I remember this thread, classic Mullers

 

[Mullers]

I remember this thread, classic Mullers

I stand by what I said,. MS has shown some form, LIorente hasn't scored yet, GNK hasn't made an impact, Janssen is on loan. I said Aurier and Sanchez were solid signings. Foyth has only had some game time in the league cup, we're out of that so only the FA cup is left for him.

 

[DanielCHillier]

I stand by what I said,. MS has shown some form, LIorente hasn't scored yet, GNK hasn't made an impact, Janssen is on loan. I said Aurier and Sanchez were solid signings. Foyth has only had some game time in the league cup, we're out of that so only the FA cup is left for him.

Foyth will probably play the APOEL and possibly Dortmund games.

 

[Qualsonic]

Foyth will probably play the APOEL and possibly Dortmund games.

We may be seeing even more of him now Toby’s out

 

[rocklink]

Real Madrid will embark on a £550million spree to replace their BBC forward line of Gareth Bale, Karim Benzema and Cristiano Ronaldo with Harry Kane, Neymar and Paulo Dybala.

 

[spursfan77]

Real Madrid will embark on a £550million spree to replace their BBC forward line of Gareth Bale, Karim Benzema and Cristiano Ronaldo with Harry Kane, Neymar and Paulo Dybala.

But Neymar and Dybala are worth more than £25 million each, surely?

 

[Flashspur]

One for the future. Go on Mullers, fill your boot mate

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