leffe186
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Tell that to Newcastle. While their scouting does rather seem to be limited to one country, it's sharp enough to have picked up several players in Jan for relative peanuts.
Scouting, Targets and Transfers
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Tell that to Newcastle. While their scouting does rather seem to be limited to one country, it's sharp enough to have picked up several players in Jan for relative peanuts.
We don't need to only look in south America though, do we? Europe, Asia, Africa, USA, Australia, whatever. There is young talent everywhere, that's what a scouting network for. Signing the best players from clubs in the same country doesn't require a scouting network, you can do that with a TV license and Sky Sports subscription.
mill
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Oscar, Lucas Piazon, Wallace?
Hernandez and the fella on loan at Wigan, Henriquez I think?
KILLA_SIN
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We did look at oscar and we bidded on him
mill
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One thing I think would be a smart, canny move is, especially with AVB in charge, is try to forge a link with a mid table Portuguese team so that we can buy young South American talent and place them there for a year or two. it would help sidestep visa issues but more importantly would enable them to keep on playing and developing their game, it'd be less of a step up and culture shock than going straight to the prem. I think sometimes these young players need to step their game up gradually with less pressure on them. Forlan came to England and was shit but went on to become a top striker, both Falcao and Suarez plied their trade in lesser European leagues getting regular games to develop before they stepped up to the top leagues and are now two of the best strikers in the world.
IMO a partnership such as that would be a whole lot more beneficial than the worthless links we have with Inter and real
IMO a partnership such as that would be a whole lot more beneficial than the worthless links we have with Inter and real
mill
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That has nothing to do with your post that I quoted, you asked why Man U and Chelsea weren't signing young South Americans, I was just pointing out that they do
KILLA_SIN
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Fair point but we shall have to see if they pay off. Were not in a poution to take a few punts every season we need dead certs.
mill
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Not all will work out, they never do and I disagree on the second point, it was the punts that took us from mid table to top four challengers lennon, hudd, bale, bae, Carrick, kaboul, dawson, berba, modric and so on, of course there were failures but that's the way it'll always be
Harry_Snatch
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It's fair to say that our transfer policy has us in a real pickle now that JD is injured.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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Some of the suggestions that people make for strikers we should/could of bought are ludacris. Cisse, Le Fondre, Jelavic! Do me a f*cking favour! They are not good enough. I am so glad Levy doesn't bow to the pressure of the fans and buy a striker for the sake of it.
We need to spend wisely to improve on what we already have not just pad out the squad with average players who increase our wage bill. I think this is partly why Redknapp was sacked. Players like Pienaar, Kranjcar were never going to improve or push for a first team place and all the while they depreciated in value. It makes no business sense.
I would much rather the club waited for the right striker to come along that was an improvement to what we already have or had the potential to be better than our current options.
We need to spend wisely to improve on what we already have not just pad out the squad with average players who increase our wage bill. I think this is partly why Redknapp was sacked. Players like Pienaar, Kranjcar were never going to improve or push for a first team place and all the while they depreciated in value. It makes no business sense.
I would much rather the club waited for the right striker to come along that was an improvement to what we already have or had the potential to be better than our current options.
marvel
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Bump.
We're back in for Leandro
He any good? Never heard of him.
sloth
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1. We can guess how the system works at THFC, to aid us in this we have some insider information which suggests we employ a committee which decides on transfer targets based upon a number of speculated upon criteria. This is not the same as knowing how it works.
2. Our speculation will be (un)informed, by our individual insight into how business works. We should be honest about how (un)insightful we have a right to think that we are. Having opinions about this is not the same as having opinions about football: we all grew up playing, watching, discussing, thinking about football - we are informed - we did not grow up watching, discussing, thinking about business. Have you built experience in your adult years?
3. To judge how effective our approach has been we should not merely look at our success/failure in acquiring this or that player, but our success in gathering a squad, the budget we've had, and the performance over several years of that squad, to measure that success we should compare with our peers.
2. Our speculation will be (un)informed, by our individual insight into how business works. We should be honest about how (un)insightful we have a right to think that we are. Having opinions about this is not the same as having opinions about football: we all grew up playing, watching, discussing, thinking about football - we are informed - we did not grow up watching, discussing, thinking about business. Have you built experience in your adult years?
3. To judge how effective our approach has been we should not merely look at our success/failure in acquiring this or that player, but our success in gathering a squad, the budget we've had, and the performance over several years of that squad, to measure that success we should compare with our peers.
vegassd
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I was just about to write pretty much the exact same thing. I find it hilarious to think of the image of 'the committee' that fans have in their head. Like a bunch of east-end hard nuts who talk about transfer targets over a game of brag in a smoke-filled backroom of a nightclub or something!
We hear about transfer deals primarily through the media, and despite all the ITK information about 'talks are on-going' and 'Levy has been working on it for weeks' people still believe that we wait until there are a few hours left before starting to work out a deal. It's just not that simple.
And it's very easy to point out the signings that opponents have made which have been a success. What about the ones that never made it? And all those players who shone for 6 months and then did nothing? The players who were just a waste of money?
Players signed from top European leagues (Ba, Cisse etc.) were hardly scouting successes! It's not hard to watch the Bundesliga and throw £10m at one of the league's top scorers. If it were then we could all be scouts.
Chris Flynn
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One of the main problems with signing young player outside of Europe is that the FA/English employment law are very strict giving Visa to foregin workers (players) unlike other European countries. In fact the only reason Arse-nil were able to sign so many young south americans/africans was down to the position David Dein held at the FA, and he was able to rubber stamp the players through as players of 'outstanding ability' (Denilson? Really?). Nepotisum at its worst
Spurs_Bear
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90% of your post is spot on and I totally agree but the bolded bit is pretty garbage isn't it? Kranjcar played a pivotal role in us finishing 4th in 2010, and although the Pienaar deal was nothing but a cheap Levy buy, both Niko and SP were both sold at a profit. To Levy, that makes perfect business sense.
dav3j
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My point wasn't that we should have bought those players, not at all.
My point was that those clubs all scouted players well within their financial reach, where deals could be done, the players themselves were keen on the move, and they performed to the level expected of them. None of which are seemingly the case for the Damiao deal. You've also got to ask yourself, can you think of any other transfer saga as long-winded and farcical as this one? It must be four or five transfer windows now, same deal every time. Any other club would've had the sense to move on by now.
Interesting you bring up Le Fondre. If we had a striker who could score 10 goals in 25 appearances, 15 of those off the bench, we'd be creaming ourselves over him. I'd bet even more so if he was called Il Fondrinho.
sloth
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I think your complaint is that there surely must be targets out there who would represent an improvement on our current options, whom we can buy for the price we think he's worth. But what makes you think that? Common sense? There is so much wrapped up in just the concept of value, that I'm not sure how you'd attempt, as an onlooker, to begin to assess it. About all we're able to say from where we stand is whether a player represents clear value/lack of value, for example Holtby, Adebayor, and VdV were clear value, whereas QPR's purchase of Samba clearly wasn't. But was Berbatov value? Could any of us have said he was at the time we bought him? He may have been, he may not have been, but the club made a decision on that.
All of which is why I say is all we can really do is judge the quality of our over-all transfer policy over the years since Levy's been in charge, and to make that judgement we have to consider the resources available to us, the quality of our current squad, our performances on the pitch, and compare that to our rivals, to Leeds, Newcastle, Everton, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa, Sunderland, Utd.
vegassd
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You also have to consider the purpose of these players, as well as their suitability to the club.
We are not newly promoted or relegation-threatened.
We are not completely devoid of strikers.
We do not have a huge wage bill available.
We are looking for a striker who can compete in the CL.
We are looking for an improvement on what we have.
When you take all of that into account (which would be far too sensible for many posters) then you can see a) why we aim for these high-end strikers and b) why it's so hard to get one in.
it's an almost impossible task of course, but if we actually want to improve then it's what needs to be done. We can buy a bunch of average strikers and tread water for the next 5 years, or we can try and get a superstar within our financial constraints and suffer the frustration along the way.
