Season Ticket Renewal Thread (Read first post)

[Lighty64]

now wishing I took the chance last season, but never. I could of had 2 bonuses and 1 bit of really bad news

1, I might of got a season ticket
2, I'd of been in debt trying to scrap the dosh
3, the wife would most probably file for a divorce

I'll let you all work out the good and the bad

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

My 5yr old has just been offered a season ticket but there are no bloody seats close by to where I am sitting and the only option is to move up into the gods. Plenty of single seats all over however. What a joke. Why they are holding back seats for members in this type of scenario is beyond me.

You can't surely think taking a 5 year old is a good idea? May be once or twice a season, but not 19 times.
You can't also think a 5 year old should be given priority over others that have been members longer than he/she's been alive.

We're not in line with Arsenal though, we're significantly more expensive.

The problem is that going to 19 matches individually has to be at least as expensive as the season ticket, which leave them very little room to manuever. Compared to us, Arsenal have much higher individual match prices for Cat A, but much lower for Cat C. We could do the same, but there'd still be a significant backlash.

Are we significantly more expensive across the board though?
Take the 1882's out of it and how does it stack up?

I was 59,331 last year so don't know how much I moved up, don't know if the amount of games I endured at Wembley helped?!

I mean my seat is rubbish and was £1200 but it means I don't have to worry about missing out on matches

I'm in a £1,200 seat in block 530 - where are you?
Didn't seem too bad a seat to me.

 

[Azzdeman]

You can't surely think taking a 5 year old is a good idea? May be once or twice a season, but not 19 times.
You can't also think a 5 year old should be given priority over others that have been members longer than he/she's been alive.

Depending on the five year old it can be a fantastic idea. My five year had a Wembley Pass and went to 16 of the 19 home games last season, only missing some of the midweek games (despite his protests) due to being school nights. He had a whale of a time and is an ST for next season.

The Club should (and in my experience do) accommodate relocations of juniors to sit with their parents, otherwise how would juniors ever be able to become STs? Young supporters are the future of every club.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Depending on the five year old it can be a fantastic idea. My five year had a Wembley Pass and went to 16 of the 19 home games last season, only missing some of the midweek games (despite his protests) due to being school nights. He had a whale of a time and is an ST for next season.

The Club should (and in my experience do) accommodate relocations of juniors to sit with their parents, otherwise how would juniors ever be able to become STs? Young supporters are the future of every club.

My littlun is only 2. Perhaps I'd feel different when she's older.

 

[Azzdeman]

Get her on the ST waiting list if she isn't already... once they get the taste for it there is no going back!

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Get her on the ST waiting list if she isn't already... once they get the taste for it there is no going back!

I couldn't be arsed taking her until she's self sufficient.

 

[Saoirse]

You can't surely think taking a 5 year old is a good idea? May be once or twice a season, but not 19 times.
You can't also think a 5 year old should be given priority over others that have been members longer than he/she's been alive.



Are we significantly more expensive across the board though?
Take the 1882's out of it and how does it stack up?



I'm in a £1,200 seat in block 530 - where are you?
Didn't seem too bad a seat to me.

19 individual tickets for league matches behind the goal, for instance: £789 at Arsenal, £975 for a ST at Spurs.

Lower tier near-ish the halfway line: £866.50 vs £1250

Upper tier is closer, but still more expensive at NWHL.

 

[Lighty64]

19 individual tickets for league matches behind the goal, for instance: £789 at Arsenal, £975 for a ST at Spurs.

Lower tier near-ish the halfway line: £866.50 vs £1250

Upper tier is closer, but still more expensive at NWHL.

any idea what they where when the 1st opened up the Emirates? have had a butchers on google but can't find them.

shame we had the trouble with Archway Steel (would of definitely been finished on time), and that the cost of the build doubled. something Arsenal never really suffered

 

[Saoirse]

any idea what they where when the 1st opened up the Emirates? have had a butchers on google but can't find them.

shame we had the trouble with Archway Steel (would of definitely been finished on time), and that the cost of the build doubled. something Arsenal never really suffered

Absolutely outrageous for the time - a big part of the problems they had there (note it does include cup games, including Champions League at the time before they were shit)

They're basically the same now as they were in 2006 though, while everyone else has increased. Their problem is that the fans who left either as soon as they went silly or 06 or withing a few years once the novelty was gone and the team weren't winning things aren't willing to come back.

 

[Lighty64]

Absolutely outrageous for the time - a big part of the problems they had there (note it does include cup games, including Champions League at the time before they were shit)

They're basically the same now as they were in 2006 though, while everyone else has increased. Their problem is that the fans who left either as soon as they went silly or 06 or withing a few years once the novelty was gone and the team weren't winning things aren't willing to come back.

well when you consider the cost to build, I can understand ours being more expensive, even though I do understand we should of offered some form of cup tickets in the price even if it was just possible domestic cup matches

 

[Saoirse]

well when you consider the cost to build, I can understand ours being more expensive, even though I do understand we should of offered some form of cup tickets in the price even if it was just possible domestic cup matches

Arsenal actually had more excuse than us because TV money was so much lower at the time - as a multiple of their annual revenue the Emirates was far more expensive than NWHL. Taking £200 off the price of every season ticket would cost us £8.4m per year - not small-change, but not enough to make the difference with the increased cost, or to be unaffordable for them. Even if we sell him for £15m at the end, it's the equivalent of having a Sissoko playing a filler role in your squad for three years as opposed to relying on an Onomah. My personal view is that the risk - of damaging the atmosphere, and losing support perhaps irretrievably if things don't go to plan - isn't worth that level of reward even purely from a business perspective. It's a fairly large gamble, with a fairly small payout, and it certainly isn't a necessary one for us to take.

 

[gregga]

Has anyone been able to confirm whether season tickets are now sold out?

eTicketing platform has been inaccessible for a few days now.

 

[Lighty64]

Arsenal actually had more excuse than us because TV money was so much lower at the time - as a multiple of their annual revenue the Emirates was far more expensive than NWHL. Taking £200 off the price of every season ticket would cost us £8.4m per year - not small-change, but not enough to make the difference with the increased cost, or to be unaffordable for them. Even if we sell him for £15m at the end, it's the equivalent of having a Sissoko playing a filler role in your squad for three years as opposed to relying on an Onomah. My personal view is that the risk - of damaging the atmosphere, and losing support perhaps irretrievably if things don't go to plan - isn't worth that level of reward even purely from a business perspective. It's a fairly large gamble, with a fairly small payout, and it certainly isn't a necessary one for us to take.

the thing is just say they took £200 off per season ticket, and knew they would definitely 1, sell Sissoko, 2 get £15m, that would me some would be paying less than £600 for a ticket, which would of been less than the lowest at the old WHL, 2 there would be a bigger uproar that the West Stand fans where getting a massive discount from the old WHL.

you also mentioned about the TV money, yet since then transfer fees for an average player has tripled, as well as there wages.

what the club has done is make sure we can keep all our star players and then hope we can also compete for better players, and with a higher income players that wouldn't of joined before will now consider us. if this had been 2 seasons ago, 1 the overall cost would of been less, but a player like Mane would most probably be in a white shirt rather than red.

the biggest shame is that we couldn't of played at the Old lane, and to of had enough room to build this new one. the ones that have been hit the most on this are the 1's that had a new ST last season, which they picked up really cheap, because Wembley was so big they could offer the new ST holders tickets that was so much cheaper because they where in areas that where miles away. the others mainly hit are the old East stand, because now they are paying the same as the West Stand, where as before they had it at nearly half the cost, with facilities not much worst other than the possibility of a post in the way

 

[Saoirse]

the thing is just say they took £200 off per season ticket, and knew they would definitely 1, sell Sissoko, 2 get £15m, that would me some would be paying less than £600 for a ticket, which would of been less than the lowest at the old WHL, 2 there would be a bigger uproar that the West Stand fans where getting a massive discount from the old WHL.

you also mentioned about the TV money, yet since then transfer fees for an average player has tripled, as well as there wages.

what the club has done is make sure we can keep all our star players and then hope we can also compete for better players, and with a higher income players that wouldn't of joined before will now consider us. if this had been 2 seasons ago, 1 the overall cost would of been less, but a player like Mane would most probably be in a white shirt rather than red.

the biggest shame is that we couldn't of played at the Old lane, and to of had enough room to build this new one. the ones that have been hit the most on this are the 1's that had a new ST last season, which they picked up really cheap, because Wembley was so big they could offer the new ST holders tickets that was so much cheaper because they where in areas that where miles away. the others mainly hit are the old East stand, because now they are paying the same as the West Stand, where as before they had it at nearly half the cost, with facilities not much worst other than the possibility of a post in the way

I'm just illustrating what that money means - it's not "make or break" levels on income. If we hit revenue of around £400m as is presumably being targeted, it's 2% of annual income. Obviously it wouldn't be as simple as £200 per seat - you wouldn't bring down the already-discounted family corner or the luxury seats (premium, corporate, 1882, right on the halfway line etc), but immediately behind either goal (another area which has seen a huge increase compared to the old ground) might go down to £725 rather than being £975, much more in line with the other top teams.

As for expenses also increasingly that's obviously true, but the scale is still important for infrastructure. You can imagine, for instance, that if both revenue and costs were ten times smaller but the stadium costs the same the project would be unviable, while if they were ten times bigger it would be incredibly easy. The larger the sums talked about, the more wriggle room there is to save the same amount each year to go towards the ground.

From a business perspective, the crucial thing to bear in mind is that putting the prices up as high as they can get away with is not pure profit from the club. It's a gamble. It means more money now, but it also means over time losing a section of your match-going fanbase, reducing the loyalty of the others, potentially reducing sales of cup tickets, food & drink and merchandise, and risking losing ticket revenue should the team fail to meet expectations (which are probably top 4 every season and a trophy every 2-3 years by now). Lower prices aren't a giveaway, they're an insurance policy. Considering we're on stable financial footing, an insurance policy would seem to make sense right now.

Of course the project as a whole makes sense in increasing revenue, but that doesn't mean the price rises do. We're aiming to increase revenue by around 30%. Without the price rises, we'd still be increasing it by around 28%. Most of it will come from the increased capacity, the hugely expanded corporate potential, the NFL and its exposure, the naming rights. What the fans are contributing out of their own pockets here is the cherry, not even the icing and definitely not the cake.

 

[Lighty64]

I'm just illustrating what that money means - it's not "make or break" levels on income. If we hit revenue of around £400m as is presumably being targeted, it's 2% of annual income. Obviously it wouldn't be as simple as £200 per seat - you wouldn't bring down the already-discounted family corner or the luxury seats (premium, corporate, 1882, right on the halfway line etc), but immediately behind either goal (another area which has seen a huge increase compared to the old ground) might go down to £725 rather than being £975, much more in line with the other top teams.

As for expenses also increasingly that's obviously true, but the scale is still important for infrastructure. You can imagine, for instance, that if both revenue and costs were ten times smaller but the stadium costs the same the project would be unviable, while if they were ten times bigger it would be incredibly easy. The larger the sums talked about, the more wriggle room there is to save the same amount each year to go towards the ground.

From a business perspective, the crucial thing to bear in mind is that putting the prices up as high as they can get away with is not pure profit from the club. It's a gamble. It means more money now, but it also means over time losing a section of your match-going fanbase, reducing the loyalty of the others, potentially reducing sales of cup tickets, food & drink and merchandise, and risking losing ticket revenue should the team fail to meet expectations (which are probably top 4 every season and a trophy every 2-3 years by now). Lower prices aren't a giveaway, they're an insurance policy. Considering we're on stable financial footing, an insurance policy would seem to make sense right now.

Of course the project as a whole makes sense in increasing revenue, but that doesn't mean the price rises do. We're aiming to increase revenue by around 30%. Without the price rises, we'd still be increasing it by around 28%. Most of it will come from the increased capacity, the hugely expanded corporate potential, the NFL and its exposure, the naming rights. What the fans are contributing out of their own pockets here is the cherry, not even the icing and definitely not the cake.

think the club has gone down it's route because it needs the intake while we do pay off the stadium

when the prices 1st come out we wasn't assured of CL footy, and even though they knew if we didn't qualify there might of been plenty that wouldn't of paid the full after, and to be able to even consider competing in the market they have set the prices that high allowing if that marque signing does come available at least they can try. I know it sounds silly, but we might of had murmurings of getting Bale, and perhaps those CL goals have cost us.

at the moment we have no idea for certain that the season will be successful on or of the field, and perhaps the club need to see how the 1st season goes, to see if everything brings in the money we need. we don't have a sponsor yet, and doubt we will know how many non football events in total we will hold.

there's a very good chance they have pushed for the max to cover the possibility of not getting in the money they hope, and will be hoping that their gamble pays off. they have already shown that we are moving the goal post in increasing players and staff wages, they will also have more than double the staff working there compared to the old lane, and they won't to compete. I'm sure they would of preferred to not have to charge these prices, as they know they are OTT, they now have to hope that we continue to produce on the pitch, with the hope that we also compete in everything to keep the turnstiles turning, but that 8.4 you mentioned could be the difference between signing 1 player, or a player not as good, because to compete we eventually need a very good squad of 25 players with squad players being paid well too

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Has anyone been able to confirm whether season tickets are now sold out?

eTicketing platform has been inaccessible for a few days now.

Until Spurs make the announcement nobody knows, they went a long way down the waiting list , I'm betting they ran out out of buyers for many it was just to much money.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

When safe standing comes in can't see how those who wish to stand can ask for a cheaper ST , they have seats available and choose not to use them at the moment, also as the safe standing is costing more with the extra rails that have to be installed maybe they should be charged more than us sitters.

 

[hakano]

Depending on the five year old it can be a fantastic idea. My five year had a Wembley Pass and went to 16 of the 19 home games last season, only missing some of the midweek games (despite his protests) due to being school nights. He had a whale of a time and is an ST for next season.

The Club should (and in my experience do) accommodate relocations of juniors to sit with their parents, otherwise how would juniors ever be able to become STs? Young supporters are the future of every club.

Totally agree, I managed to get one near me in the end as luckily there was a seat right next to mine. I won't be taking him to midweek matches but all day matches.

 

[hakano]

My littlun is only 2. Perhaps I'd feel different when she's older.

You will for sure. I was thinking like you a year ago but in the last few months he has developed his love for the game and all things Spurs

 

[Azzdeman]

Totally agree, I managed to get one near me in the end as luckily there was a seat right next to mine.

Good news, I'm glad you managed to sort it!

I won't be taking him to midweek matches but all day matches.

I said the same to his Mother this time last year but that went out of the window when Man United was fixed for a Wednesday night! Queuing for Wembley Park after a night game whilst holding the weight of a bag of cement only added to the enjoyment!