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Sherwood: Ryan Mason can become Tottenham’s Steven Gerrard

mpickard2087

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AVB didn't choose most of those players we brought in, and before you continue fake-quoting and scapegoating him, we were doing a heck of a lot better under him in the league and in Europe at this juncture.

You wanna lay blame, start looking at Sherwood, Ade and Levy... The collaborative architects of our current situation.

Right, ok.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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AVB didn't choose most of those players we brought in, and before you continue fake-quoting and scapegoating him, we were doing a heck of a lot better under him in the league and in Europe at this juncture.

You wanna lay blame, start looking at Sherwood, Ade and Levy... The collaborative architects of our current situation.


AVB instigated a 100 pound million spending spree. The fact that he and Levy along with Baldini, he's our director of football by the way, (sorry soccer i mean, don't want to confuse you) may have something to do with it. How exactly you bring Ade into your fantasy of rhetoric is beyond me.

That said why let a good argument get in the way of the facts?
 

nightgoat

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AVB instigated a 100 pound million spending spree. The fact that he and Levy along with Baldini, he's our director of football by the way, (sorry soccer i mean, don't want to confuse you) may have something to do with it. How exactly you bring Ade into your fantasy of rhetoric is beyond me.

That said why let a good argument get in the way of the facts?

Because it was his decision to sell Bale, obviously. That's what instigated our spending last summer. We would have spent that money whoever was manager, and most likely on the same players.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Because it was his decision to sell Bale, obviously. That's what instigated our spending last summer. We would have spent that money whoever was manager, and most likely on the same players.


I don't think any other manager would have gone out and spent a hundred million in a month (outside of Chel$ea or Man Citeh). Man Ure have just spent a wedge but have brought extremely well, and for sure spent on players who would never come to Spurs.
 

nightgoat

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I don't think any other manager would have gone out and spent a hundred million in a month (outside of Chel$ea or Man Citeh). Man Ure have just spent a wedge but have brought extremely well, and for sure spent on players who would never come to Spurs.

Or Brendan Rogers, who has just done exactly that. Or Wenger, who spent not far short of £90m. My point was, if Redknapp had still been manager we'd have spent the Bale money in the same fashion. If we'd appointed someone other than AVB we'd have spent the Bale money in the same fashion.

Man Utd have bought extremely well? Despite not buying a proper centre back which they desperately need and spending £24m on a one season loan for a player in a position they didn't need to strengthen.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Or Brendan Rogers, who has just done exactly that. Or Wenger, who spent not far short of £90m. My point was, if Redknapp had still been manager we'd have spent the Bale money in the same fashion. If we'd appointed someone other than AVB we'd have spent the Bale money in the same fashion.

Man Utd have bought extremely well? Despite not buying a proper centre back which they desperately need and spending £24m on a one season loan for a player in a position they didn't need to strengthen.

Wenger wouldn't have spent every penny, and we didn't need to. I mean when was the last time a team brought in half a starting eleven?
 

yiddo

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"Tim Sherwood reckons Ryan Mason is similar to a young Steven Gerrard"

Very odd statement, Mason is nothing like Gerrard. He doesnt have the engine, presence or power that Gerrard has/had. However Mason is technically gifted, has great awareness and a decent shot on him. He is much more in the mould of a Fabregas type player. We can only hope he gets anyway near that level though.
 

nightgoat

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Wenger wouldn't have spent every penny, and we didn't need to. I mean when was the last time a team brought in half a starting eleven?

We wouldn't have appointed Wenger as manager, so that's completely irrelevant.

Not all of the players we bought were immediate starters, though. Chiriches still isn't and never has been a first choice starter, Chadli has only become one this season. Lamela didn't make his first league start until the end of November.

Man Utd as you mentioned, Southampton, QPR, Newcastle, Hull and Burnley have all bought five or more players who are regularly starting games this season (or would be if it weren't for injuries in the case of Snodgrass and De Jong).
 

eddiebailey

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Not all of the players we bought were immediate starters, though. Chiriches still isn't and never has been a first choice starter, Chadli has only become one this season. Lamela didn't make his first league start until the end of November.
Most were intended to be immediate starters or to become so quickly.

The problem was that while failing to address key weaknesses we replaced players who were already bedded in with others who turned out to be of much the same quality: Chiriches v Caulker; Paulinho v Livermore; Soldado v Defoe; Chadli v Dempsey; Capoue v Huddlestone; while our marquee signing, Lamela undershot Bale - inevitably so, but much more so than anticipated.
 

Matthew Wyatt

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"Tim Sherwood reckons Ryan Mason is similar to a young Steven Gerrard"

Very odd statement, Mason is nothing like Gerrard. He doesnt have the engine, presence or power that Gerrard has/had. However Mason is technically gifted, has great awareness and a decent shot on him. He is much more in the mould of a Fabregas type player. We can only hope he gets anyway near that level though.
To be fair to Sherwood, what he actually said was,"His game is not dissimilar to that of a young Steven Gerrard, who I trained with when he was brought into England senior squads for experience". Gerrard was a promising young player, technically gifted but far from the commanding presence he became, and, like Mason, was beset by injuries in his early years.
 

dickyid

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To be fair to Sherwood, what he actually said was,"His game is not dissimilar to that of a young Steven Gerrard, who I trained with when he was brought into England senior squads for experience". Gerrard was a promising young player, technically gifted but far from the commanding presence he became, and, like Mason, was beset by injuries in his early years.

also to be fair to Sherwood, he was promoted as caretaker manager from within because of his work with the youth team. So he would have had a say over the last 5 years between Masons debut and now to say 'stay at Spurs, he has a future'. Would you all prefer a know-nothing unconnected pundit making up shit about our players? And he is being paid as a TV pundit covering Spurs Europa games - because he spent years at Spurs in various roles. Hence why hes in the news immediately after Europa games. Would you prefer Anal Smith? (Autocorrected there but leaving as is)

All this 'shut up Sherwood' is a bit redundant.
 

PT

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Two reasons I'd like to see the likes of Rose, Caulker, Naughton, Kane and Mason do well is so that we can realistically address the imbalance in the first team of English / British players.
Also if the source is the youth system, the likelihood is that the outlay has been relatively minimal.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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We wouldn't have appointed Wenger as manager, so that's completely irrelevant.

Not all of the players we bought were immediate starters, though. Chiriches still isn't and never has been a first choice starter, Chadli has only become one this season. Lamela didn't make his first league start until the end of November.

Man Utd as you mentioned, Southampton, QPR, Newcastle, Hull and Burnley have all bought five or more players who are regularly starting games this season (or would be if it weren't for injuries in the case of Snodgrass and De Jong).


You clearly stated:

We would have spent that money whoever was manager

But then say
"We wouldn't have appointed Wenger as manager, so that's completely irrelevant"

I think your totally lost in your own rhetoric dear boy.

Come back when you begin to make sense.
 

dondo

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Did you know that Tim Sherwood invented the Wigwam?

True.


Poch has made similar decisions as sherwood in team selections and big decisions so your kind of conflicting yourself in your anti sherwood pochettino is god bore off
 

thinktank

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Poch has made similar decisions as sherwood in team selections and big decisions so your kind of conflicting yourself in your anti sherwood pochettino is god bore off
Were you aware that Timothy Alan Sherwood was the first person to ever use his left hand.

True.
 
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thinktank

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Nuff said
Hey, just filling you in on some of timbo's other wonderful achievements in his illustrious, inventive life.

Thought you and the other die hard disciples of The Cult of Tim would appreciate it.

No good deed huh....sheesh.:rolleyes: Why do I even bother.:coffee:
 
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