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Sherwood says Bale's departure made a top-four finish for Spurs unlikely

mawspurs

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Tottenham were unrealistic in their expectations of a top-four finish this season, Tim Sherwood told Goals On Sunday.

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davidmatzdorf

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I'd suggest that the people who were working themselves up into a frenzy of Sherwood-hate a couple of weeks ago should read that interview as if the comments had been written by outsiders about Tottenham, as opposed to spoken by Sherwood and Ferdinand. Much of what they are saying is exactly what people here were saying about (1) the problems caused by the large intake of players with zero premiership experience and (2) the mentality created by the impression of a caretaker management.
 

Revan1882

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Didn't he also put it down to losing Defoe as well? However who was the guy that sold him and never played him...... oh yeah that was TS.
 

GetSpurredOn

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I'm sure if we flick back to Sherwood's comments immediately after the last game (before getting sacked obviously), he suggested quite clearly, had he been in charge all season, he'd have got top 4. So now, post sacking, suddenly he contradicts himself and says top 4 was never a possibility....

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Japhet

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Didn't he recently state that Spurs would have made top 4 if he had been manager from the start of the season? Yeah, right.
 

Bennys LOL

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Re: Bale leaving, he's right and if Levy knew football he would have given AVB a break and lowered his expectations when the world class player, who helped us look better than we actually were, left and seven new players with no PL experience between them came in. Finishing 4th under those circumstances was impossible.
Its funny though how TS makes it sound like he's been manager from the start of the season. I wonder where we would have finished if TS had been here from the start, was bought those players and had the pressure of having to play some big names who were either out of form or finding their feet. I wonder what his results would have been like. Its a quandary.
 

TheChosenOne

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I'd suggest that the people who were working themselves up into a frenzy of Sherwood-hate a couple of weeks ago should read that interview as if the comments had been written by outsiders about Tottenham, as opposed to spoken by Sherwood and Ferdinand. Much of what they are saying is exactly what people here were saying about (1) the problems caused by the large intake of players with zero premiership experience and (2) the mentality created by the impression of a caretaker management.


Well David, I am not either a Sherwood lover or hater - Just sick of the soundbites coming (allegedly) from him.

If ifs and ands were pots and pans - There would be no need for tinkers.
 

buckley

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i must appologise to tim for wanting to improve and get into the top four
god forbid that spurs fans have ambition realistic ambition in my oppinion
i dont believe in holding midfielders (tim)
holding midfielders are good enough for real ;barca;bayern;athletico;cit;chelsea;man unt;liverpool
but not required by tim
tim said erriksen should not be played out wide
in that case why did tim continuosly play erriksen wide
tim said rose is like ashley cole ;;no more need saying on this one
tims attempt at motivating the players they are all much of a muchness
correct they are all but one or two internationals
tim said he needs strong willed players with leadership qualities
when the lkes of capoue;verts;sandro speak out and give their oppinions
tim takes it as dissent(ala a junior school teacher telling off a bunch of children)insead of taking it as a possotive that the players have an interest in what goes on the pitch then instead of harnessing this strong attitude to the betterment of the team
tim decides these players have burnt their bridges and will not be selected
untill they grovel to him
anybody that backs this idiot is to my eyes deluded in the extreme
and should not listen to sky or talk sport
but take a step back look at the real facts and make up their own mind
 

Rocksuperstar

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So... and i might have misunderstood, so be patient - what you're suggesting is that by selling our best player, arguably one of the best players to have worn our shirt, possibly the world right now, we reduced our chances of finishing higher up the league?

 

postigol

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I'm sure if we flick back to Sherwood's comments immediately after the last game (before getting sacked obviously), he suggested quite clearly, had he been in charge all season, he'd have got top 4. So now, post sacking, suddenly he contradicts himself and says top 4 was never a possibility....

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Didn't he recently state that Spurs would have made top 4 if he had been manager from the start of the season? Yeah, right.

There's no contradiction here. From this article:
"But when you actually analyse the season, taking out Gareth Bale..... realistically the expectations of finishing in the top four was far too great."

From his statement of 11th May:
"If I had started the season, we would have been in the Champions League,"

In those 2 statements says it was too much to EXPECT a top four finish, but he thinks he would have delivered that (based on his points per game from his tenure).
 

Locotoro

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I'd suggest that the people who were working themselves up into a frenzy of Sherwood-hate a couple of weeks ago should read that interview as if the comments had been written by outsiders about Tottenham, as opposed to spoken by Sherwood and Ferdinand. Much of what they are saying is exactly what people here were saying about (1) the problems caused by the large intake of players with zero premiership experience and (2) the mentality created by the impression of a caretaker management.

Its not that what he is saying in this interview isnt accurate, the problem people have with Sherwood is that his "opinion" seems to flip flop more than a US Presidential candidate. As already indicated, he says initially "Champions League or bust", then he does an about turn and says "its not all about Champions League". He also did name names if I remember calling out both Sandro and Capoue for criticism at certain points but then remarks that he never singled anyone out?!

As much as I sympathized with him for his level of passion and eagerness to do well, this didn't make up for his lack of experience and management skills in getting the best out of the players.

A lot of negative things have been said about Sherwood - unwarranted in my opinion. But this does not negate the fact that he never had a realistic chance of keeping the job and this should have been clear from day one.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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There's no contradiction here. From this article:
"But when you actually analyse the season, taking out Gareth Bale..... realistically the expectations of finishing in the top four was far too great."

From his statement of 11th May:
"If I had started the season, we would have been in the Champions League,"

In those 2 statements says it was too much to EXPECT a top four finish, but he thinks he would have delivered that (based on his points per game from his tenure).

OK, whatever you say Timothy,
 

SlunkSoma

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I agree with his assertions in this article. But I don't think he has been particular consistent in some respects. He did criticise people publicly, (Sandro) but he is right about mentality. I don't think he was the right manager for the job though, just because he points out the fact that getting beat 4s and 5s by top four teams is a bad thing. The way he refers to the squad suggests LVG would have been the man to really shake it up. I have a feeling players come here for a bit of an easy ride, thinking the exposure will do them good. That's unfortunate but down to the fact we are in a bit of limbo financially and on the pitch. We sign players not at the height of their powers, but apparently on the way up. It is their mentality that needs to change, or possibly a more rigorous interviewing process for players (like Wenger does, albeit to varying degrees of success).
 

thinktank

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I'm sure if we flick back to Sherwood's comments immediately after the last game (before getting sacked obviously), he suggested quite clearly, had he been in charge all season, he'd have got top 4. So now, post sacking, suddenly he contradicts himself and says top 4 was never a possibility....

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He contradicts himself everytime he opens that trap of his. It's amazing some people fall for this guy when he puts on his 'I'm just a genuine, heart on sleeve, down-to-earth, cheeky chappy, jumpers for goalposts football lover who loves to give the kids a chance'.

He's a proper conman - narcissistic, manipulative, actor.
 
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RButch

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It was 90% obvious why we would never get top 4 this season, I am pretty sure everyone knew in their heart of hearts that top 4 would be difficult to get but we are always over-optimistic when we talk about our beloved Tottenham (as every fan does). It is the 2014-2015 season that will decide whether our team can turn their potential into performances and improve the mentality of the team.



As previously said, the problem with Tim is his contradictory statements, going from 'i can get this team into top 4' to 'they aren't good enough for top 4' and vice versa. I have no personal agendas against Sherwood, but do about his managerial potential.
 

wakefieldyid

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It was 90% obvious why we would never get top 4 this season, I am pretty sure everyone knew in their heart of hearts that top 4 would be difficult to get but we are always over-optimistic when we talk about our beloved Tottenham (as every fan does). It is the 2014-2015 season that will decide whether our team can turn their potential into performances and improve the mentality of the team.
The "elephant in the room" here is the press and punditry, who most certainly did claim that Spurs were a shoo-in for the top 4, and a serious outside bet for the title. At the start of the season, the universal opinion seemed to be that every player we'd signed possessed the necessary quality and there was little mention of the difficulty absorbing them into the existing squad.
IIRC, Arsene Wenger was one of the first to draw attention to the inherent problems associated with signing so many players.
 

guiltyparty

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So... and i might have misunderstood, so be patient - what you're suggesting is that by selling our best player, arguably one of the best players to have worn our shirt, possibly the world right now, we reduced our chances of finishing higher up the league?



I want to rep you into oblivion for this. I basically say this to people all of the time.

As for Sherwood, a good, strong mix of fact and fiction

Almost Redknappian, with the lies and half-truths so carefully planted amongst the facts that many fail to see them
 

bigspurs

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If he looks like a moron, acts like a moron and speaks like a moron - he's probably a moron. Bye, bye Tim... NEXT!!!
 
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