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al_pacino

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Small point, and maybe not totally relevant, but we actually met Ramos the day after the Everton game which was our second league game of the season, but what really makes this worse ,in my opinion, is the board must have organised the meeting before the Everton game meaning it was planned after just one game. Poor.
 

PYiddy

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Small point, and maybe not totally relevant, but we actually met Ramos the day after the Everton game which was our second league game of the season, but what really makes this worse ,in my opinion, is the board must have organised the meeting before the Everton game meaning it was planned after just one game. Poor.


small point, but a valid point
 

we_all_loved_freund

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The phrase 'six of 1 half a dozen of the other' springs to mind...

Jol's tactics and decision making during games have cost us, but the board have also undermined his authority by seeking anoyher manager, this in my opinion has also contributed towards the poor form of the team this year... they are both to blame, end of story!!

The question now is what do we do about it? as somebody else has already pointed out the board aren't going to resign, so its goodbye to Jol. However the problem the board have is there is nobody to replace him, so instead of getting a caretaker in they will leave him in position until they find somebody else... its not rocket science :)
 

sunnydelight786

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Both parties (Ramos and Spurs) have admitted to a meeting taking place. Ramos says he was offered a contract and Spurs are saying they didn't offer one.

Spurs obviously weren't there talking about players because then they would have had to speak to the Director of Football at Sevilla as he's key man there (personally I think he's the person we should be looking to bring into this club). It can't have been about training techniques because that's not the board's job.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that the board lied.

When you read comments by directors like Sir Keith Mills you have to wonder if the people on the board know anything about football.



Sorry but if important members of the board are making comments like this (and make them when the whole Ramos thing had only kicked off a few days earlier) then I have to call into question their ability to run this club.

When Arsenal dropped from 2nd place and challenging for the title to snatching 4th spot from us on the final day within one season not one Arsenal board member came out and questioned Wenger. The board there believed that given time Wenger would turn a young squad into a title challenging team. Because Wenger had won so many titles there was more pressure on him but the board there didn't panic and stuck with him. Shame we can't say the same about our board.

How can the board expect a top four finish when the vast majority of people know our squad isn't good or experienced enough.

Bale is in his first season in the top flight, Dawson has only a handful of seasons experience, Kaboul has only just arrived in the country and Lennon is miles away from his peak. Levy's fear of older players has affected the team. We need the likes of Petrov to add experience along with leadership and take the younger players under their wings. That's why I didn't want Davids to go because I rate him better than Zokora, he helped the younger players develop and offered leadership.

When Man Utd won the league with their kids, people forget that they had Steve Bruce and Gary Pallister in defence to add the experience and leadership needed in a team.

I think it's unfair that Jol has to take all the responsibility whilst being left to use players that Levy (Jenas) or Comolli buy.

If the board want the club to reach the Champions League and become a force in this country then they need to do what three of the best teams in this country do - leave the transfer of players, etc., to the manager.

With Jol going (no matter what he will be gone by the start of next season) can anyone else see a top manager wanting to manage here? Mourinho won't want to report to Comolli and Klinsmann and co. won't be happy to let the chairman, vice-chairman or director of football to get involved in team matters.

Slight difference here matey, Arseh**e Wan**r had at that time qualified Arse 8 times in a row for the CL, reached the final of the CL that season and also won 7 trophies at the time. At no point in his tenure as Arse manager did he find himself in the bottom 3 after 5-10 games hence the board had no reason to panic and sack him.

MJ has now for 2 seasons in a row, excuses aside, had truly shocking starts to the season. The starts look even worse considering the personnel he had to work with. If his job was SOOOOOOOO undermined like everyone likes to harp on about then why the f**k did'nt he walk then? Mourinho did at Chelsea, why could'nt MJ?

For me the board made 2 errors.

The first was getting caught out meeting Ramos. Fact is this happens everyday of the week with players and managers, dont be so foolish to think that it does not, our problem was we got caught out!

The second and biggest mistake was not to get rid of him in the summer and replacing him with Ramos/Sven/Hughes/Big Sam/etc. The board were ready to pull the trigger earlier in the year when we had yet another bad run of form but for Keane's brillance in the cup game at Fulham. There on the sublime form and brillance of Keane and Berby saved our season. We did choke again when we met anyone half decent in the cups but our league position looked alot more acceptable at the end. The board should have acted then. Thank Jol for his good work and invited him back anytime he wanted as a guest, but the club now wanted to move in another direction hence best if both parties moved on. Yes they would have got alot of stick but that would have all been forgotten if we had got in a top manager, like Sven maybe, and had the kind of start to the season that Man City have had.

Apart from the above I believe our board has done a fantastic job.
 

hybridsoldier

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ramos woud have been christian gross part II

Jol will get us 5th / 6th no probs but we'll never brak the top4 with him
 

claw_diddy

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The bottom line is we bought the wrong players in the summer (maybe with the exception of Bale).

We spent £40m on reserve players, we should have got the players that Man City got and we would be where they are.

So whoever was in charge of the farce that was last summers transfers window should get the boot. Commoli perhaps? He has also brought some other dross like Zokora, Assou-Ekkoto etc.
 

N10toN17

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Change managers at the end of the season, giving the new manager time to gel a side pre season for the start of the new season, also allows time to decide on new players to be brought in, board fails.

Awful new ticketing system, board fails.

Changed to a continental system, with a DoF and a coach, theyv'e fallen out, surprise, surprise and coach has players he doesn't want, coach getting sacked, DoF and Chairman glide on. Board failed.

New training ground in Enfield cocked up and it got thrown out, board failed.

No news on increased capacity at WHL or a move, even though our board have surely seen whats been going on at other clubs for the past 5 to 10 years, meaning we have now been left behind. Board failed.

One of the worst records for hiring and firing managers, board failed.

Supporters moan about this player or that player, moan about the coach or manager not being up to the job, but what has been consistent throughout my lifetime as a Spurs supporter, is just how truly crap the people in charge of our club have been.

I will although atheist, now duly pray each evening for someone to actually takeover our club and run it like a sensible football club, you know like that club down the road that is constantly (my lifetime) making us look like a bunch of cretins.
 

sloth

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Whether the board were right or wrong then is immaterial. Whether they should have changed him pre-season or after three games is also immaterial. I can't see why everyone's squabbling over it when the important question surely is whether we stick with Jol now?

I think we will, but only for lack of a better alternative, if yesterday's performance is repeated however then simply by dint of the fact it can't get worse he will be replaced. And that's the sorry truth I'm afraid.
 

Spursking

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It is clear that Jol do not have the tactical knowledge, and he continues to do the same errors over and over again, and that is not acceptable. He has a good squad to choose from, but his tactics is destroying it. He makes it difficult for himself and for the players with the way we are playing....
 

bogosian

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currently our midfield is cr*p and our defense is mediocre. from all the players in front only keane finds his form occasionally. it's not about tactics. it's all psychology.

here is my theory on it all. it started with berbatov's salary - they raised it to 60K/week without making him sign an extension. it pissed the dressing room big time. just think about defoe, his situation & his influence on part of the players.

combined with a couple of unlucky games at the start, leaked manager-sacking rumours & overall manager mediocrity = we have totally demotivated/frustrated players, manager who has absolutely no idea how to turn things around (it's beyond his level of intelligence & experience) & board that can't find a replacement.

total deadlock. this sh*t is so deep - it won't heal by itself. we need a swift move now. we need to splash for a new manager and get rid of berbatov (although being our best player by far). these are just a couple of options. rounding em at the lane and giving them a beating might help as well but i wouldn't bet on it :)rofl:).

we need sth radical as soon as possible.
 

miles_64

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I bet Jol could have made some decent signings without Commoli - no need for DC at all. I honestly blame a certain amount of unrest on him. Still distraught after last night.
 

TopSpurMan

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Slight difference here matey, Arseh**e Wan**r had at that time qualified Arse 8 times in a row for the CL, reached the final of the CL that season and also won 7 trophies at the time. At no point in his tenure as Arse manager did he find himself in the bottom 3 after 5-10 games hence the board had no reason to panic and sack him.

MJ has now for 2 seasons in a row, excuses aside, had truly shocking starts to the season. The starts look even worse considering the personnel he had to work with. If his job was SOOOOOOOO undermined like everyone likes to harp on about then why the f**k did'nt he walk then? Mourinho did at Chelsea, why could'nt MJ?

For me the board made 2 errors.

The first was getting caught out meeting Ramos. Fact is this happens everyday of the week with players and managers, dont be so foolish to think that it does not, our problem was we got caught out!

The second and biggest mistake was not to get rid of him in the summer and replacing him with Ramos/Sven/Hughes/Big Sam/etc. The board were ready to pull the trigger earlier in the year when we had yet another bad run of form but for Keane's brillance in the cup game at Fulham. There on the sublime form and brillance of Keane and Berby saved our season. We did choke again when we met anyone half decent in the cups but our league position looked alot more acceptable at the end. The board should have acted then. Thank Jol for his good work and invited him back anytime he wanted as a guest, but the club now wanted to move in another direction hence best if both parties moved on. Yes they would have got alot of stick but that would have all been forgotten if we had got in a top manager, like Sven maybe, and had the kind of start to the season that Man City have had.

Apart from the above I believe our board has done a fantastic job.

Absolutely - apart from getting caught out, then mis managing getting caught out, then further undermining the manager by not backing him, then undermining the players backing the manager - APART from that they have done an excellent job.

You heard the one about 'what have the romans evrer done for us?'
 

TopSpurMan

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Yep its still speculation. What i find funny is people saying that the board have caused this, yet we were playing exactly the same way as we are now in the opening 3 games before anybody even thought about getting on a plane to Sevilla.

Whats to say we wouldnt be playing like this even if the Jol situation hadnt happened?

Look it is really simple the Jol situation as you call it was unnecessary - not needed - did not have to happen - you want to replace the manager - back the man to the hilt until you have a replacement in the bag then sack him - don't be stupid!!!!! The board were simply stupid, basic, basic, basic management.
 

SpurSince57

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Slight difference here matey, Arseh**e Wan**r had at that time qualified Arse 8 times in a row for the CL, reached the final of the CL that season and also won 7 trophies at the time. At no point in his tenure as Arse manager did he find himself in the bottom 3 after 5-10 games hence the board had no reason to panic and sack him.

MJ has now for 2 seasons in a row, excuses aside, had truly shocking starts to the season. The starts look even worse considering the personnel he had to work with. If his job was SOOOOOOOO undermined like everyone likes to harp on about then why the f**k did'nt he walk then? Mourinho did at Chelsea, why could'nt MJ?

For me the board made 2 errors.

The first was getting caught out meeting Ramos. Fact is this happens everyday of the week with players and managers, dont be so foolish to think that it does not, our problem was we got caught out!

The second and biggest mistake was not to get rid of him in the summer and replacing him with Ramos/Sven/Hughes/Big Sam/etc. The board were ready to pull the trigger earlier in the year when we had yet another bad run of form but for Keane's brillance in the cup game at Fulham. There on the sublime form and brillance of Keane and Berby saved our season. We did choke again when we met anyone half decent in the cups but our league position looked alot more acceptable at the end. The board should have acted then. Thank Jol for his good work and invited him back anytime he wanted as a guest, but the club now wanted to move in another direction hence best if both parties moved on. Yes they would have got alot of stick but that would have all been forgotten if we had got in a top manager, like Sven maybe, and had the kind of start to the season that Man City have had.

Apart from the above I believe our board has done a fantastic job.

Every day of the week? Honest?

You know this for a fact?

Arsenal, Chelsea and Sevilla are your definition of half-decent?

If the board had misgivings at the end of last season they should have acted then. There would have been uproar, from many of those currently calling for Jol's head as well as those of us who still believe he can turn things round, but if we were sitting on 17-20 points now no-one would be complaining too much. However, they didn't. They (or Kemsley, at least)appear to have panicked after one game, not three. And do you seriously think Eriksson would have signed on had he had to put up with Levy's policies on signings? Think again.

Mourinho 'walked' only after he'd received a whopping pay-out. Why should Jol do any different? I'm sure the board does wish he'd walk, and has four million very good reasons for doing so. They might have to add on a bit extra to keep him quiet or a while, too, because they really don't want the shit hitting the fan all over the papers.
 

TopSpurMan

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Every day of the week? Honest?

You know this for a fact?

Arsenal, Chelsea and Sevilla are your definition of half-decent?

If the board had misgivings at the end of last season they should have acted then. There would have been uproar, from many of those currently calling for Jol's head as well as those of us who still believe he can turn things round, but if we were sitting on 17-20 points now no-one would be complaining too much. However, they didn't. They (or Kemsley, at least)appear to have panicked after one game, not three. And do you seriously think Eriksson would have signed on had he had to put up with Levy's policies on signings? Think again.

Mourinho 'walked' only after he'd received a whopping pay-out. Why should Jol do any different? I'm sure the board does wish he'd walk, and has four million very good reasons for doing so. They might have to add on a bit extra to keep him quiet or a while, too, because they really don't want the shit hitting the fan all over the papers.


Could'nt agree more what makes anyone think that a half decent manager with a track record would want to work with Chris Hughton, DC and the board interference with signings?

Quite right no one, so therin lies the problem - the reason we got Jol was that he was a sub for the french bus parker and had no team, was good mates with Arneson and they made a good team.

Who is going to join now, consider the interview, "yes we want you to join us, DC will be buying the players for you, CH will coach them and you get the blame if we play like shit, how's that sound, oh and in case we forget to tell you if we don't finish in a top 4 position we'll treat you like shit and replace with a manager that will guarantee a top 4 finish cos of course they can, what do you say? You in or what?"
 

sunnydelight786

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Every day of the week? Honest?

You know this for a fact?

Arsenal, Chelsea and Sevilla are your definition of half-decent?

If the board had misgivings at the end of last season they should have acted then. There would have been uproar, from many of those currently calling for Jol's head as well as those of us who still believe he can turn things round, but if we were sitting on 17-20 points now no-one would be complaining too much. However, they didn't. They (or Kemsley, at least)appear to have panicked after one game, not three. And do you seriously think Eriksson would have signed on had he had to put up with Levy's policies on signings? Think again.

Mourinho 'walked' only after he'd received a whopping pay-out. Why should Jol do any different? I'm sure the board does wish he'd walk, and has four million very good reasons for doing so. They might have to add on a bit extra to keep him quiet or a while, too, because they really don't want the shit hitting the fan all over the papers.

Please remind me in the domestic cups who we beat that was any good?

The Uefa cup was there for the taking last season, I was at every game home and away and did not see any team, Seville included, that we could not beat. We should have NEVER have lost away in Seville. But when our chance came at home to beat them the team froze from the start.

2-0 up against Arse reserves and we choked.
3-1 up against Chelsea and we choked
1-0 up against Seville and we choked.

Mind you in your eye's MJ can do no wrong and it's ALL the board's fault.
 

GenericID

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The board made Jol a lame duck. They have at least have to take some responsibility in that respect if the players are no longer working for the manager. I'm not going to go too much into Comolli's purchases, but Levy/ENIC's policy of maximum progress with minimal cost bit us in the ass. It's not a bad policy, but expecting top 4 progress out of it is, if not insanity, at least requiring careful planning for a 4-5 year period. I'm wondering if the board jumped the gun because they wanted to sell once the stadium plan was finalized.
 

nuttynoah

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The board have contributed this problem big time.

They have treated the manager as if he was already in the relegation zone after three games. This has clearly effected the team and manager and they have played with the pressure of a team clearly with no confidence from above or alot of fans.

Jol has got the team exactly where the board didn't want them, but I put a large blame of that on the board.
how did all the undermining of mourinho effect chelski last season, how the all the whisperings and mutterings fom kenyon and abromovich effect the managerial capabilities of mourinho.
jol has been found out, he should resign for his and spurs's sake
 

Lucky22

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It is a bit rich to give the board credit for believing Jol was not the right man for the job. If they are so clever, why did they give him so much money to spend over the summer? If you believe he's not good enough, then don't back him in the transfer market like that!!
The board panicked, plain and simple and were caught with their trousers down in Spain. That, more than anything, has contributed to where we are today. The board have to take their fair share of the blame. Yes, we lost our first two games of the season, but I don't think anyone can argue that we weren't playing well. We beat Derby comfortably and should have had at least a draw at United. But things really started to go pear shaped when the board were caught out and when they were running round looking for a replacement and (sickeningly) briefing the press about it at the same time.
Just look at how Chelsea were affected last season by their board which resulted in their manager leaving. You can also draw parallels with the transfer situation there as well, with Jose requesting a defender and not getting one. The same thing is happening at WHL and, I believe, Jol's comments after the Toon game regarding a lack of leadership, was actually a dig at the board and, more importantly, Commoli, who made him buy young and inexperienced, when what he really wanted was an old head to steady things.
The situation for Jol has become untenable now, because of the board and the way they have acted. It is their fault that we now set to lose the best manager we have had in donkey years. Once again, we have shot ourselves in the foot. A once proud club has been reduced to ridicule.
 
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