Sol Campbell wants to be one of the greatest British managers ever

[brendanb50]

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Does anywhere sell 'Anyone but Macclesfield' t shirts?

Feel bad for them as a club but hope they fail miserably under him.

 

[Nine while nine]

 

[RickyVilla]

Penalty shoot out (because he’s Sol Campbell).
Edit: Lost

 

[Mr.D]

Penalty shoot out (because he’s Sol Campbell).
Edit: Lost

It's only 9 o/clock. What time did they kick off?

 

[RickyVilla]

It's only 9 o/clock. What time did they kick off?

19:00

 

[Danners9]

 

[Dennism]

Quite like Macclesfield but hope they lose every game until Judas goes. Suspect that won’t be long. He is an arrogant nutter who will soon wind up people. In his own deluded world he will believe he should be managing at a higher level.

 

['O Zio]

Quite like Macclesfield but hope they lose every game until Judas goes. Suspect that won’t be long. He is an arrogant nutter who will soon wind up people. In his own deluded world he will believe he should be managing at a higher level.

THat's the thing. I can't see him turning things around because he's shown precisely zero evidence that he knows the first thing about management, plus Macc were always going to have a real job on their hands to stay in the league, even with a good manager it would've been an almost impossible job. Then when you could that with the fact that he's such a deluded and arrogant prick who really seems to rub everyone up the wrong way, it's only a matter of time before the players turn on him IMO.

You can just imagine his half time team talk "Listen lads, you've got Sol Campbell as your manager, you need to play better than this and get the result that Sol Campbell deserves. One of the greatest minds in football can't lose to some poxy U21 team. They haven't got Sol Campbell, you have. Now get out there and show them just what that means, if not for the fans, do it for me, Sol Campbell!!!!

I was going to say I'd be surprised if he's still there by the end of the season but to be honest I don't think Macc really have the money to sack two managers in the same season so unless there's a release clause of some kind they're probably stuck with him until he walks out

 

[rez9000]

This is the main point of the issue for me. It is not as simplea discussion as "best man gets the job."

I saw a documentary series about black managers in England. The amount of times black ex-players said there was no point in getting their badges was the concern.

I read 33% of British players in the Prem are black. That's a pool of talent that are potentially not being used.

I don't believe it is a simple case of racism. But there is an issue if people feel there is no point in them going for certain jobs.

John Barnes needs to be quiet on the issue. He was given several jobs with potential and he failed miserably. Now Campbel has got a job and he seems allwrong for management.

Hughton has got the experience and qualifications and now gets work at Prem clubs.

But lets not dumb this issue down to "best man gets the job." The issue isn't that simple.

Absolutely right. The best person should get the job - in an ideal world. The real issue is that that presupposes that there is equality of opportunity before the merit of the individuals is considered. But without that premise, there actually is a 'need' for greater numbers from under-represented groups.

The one song I wish Spurs fans would just stop with is the "Hanging from a tree/Judas **** with HIV" song. It's a fucking embarrassment that some can't move on after almost two decades and if you really have to sing about him we have a different Campbell song (I wanna knoooooow etc.) which isn't ridiculously offensive and arguably extremely racist (lynching).

I heard that some fans sang it on the tube before the game on Sunday and I wish literally all of them would be taken to court over it.

But of course, I won't ever wish him well in anything he does.

I couldn't quote a single bible passage if you asked me to so that is genuinely news to me, thanks for bringing that up.

However, it can't come as a surprise that singing "hanging from a tree" in reference to a black man bring up racism allegations, and they are pretty hard to refute., or rather it can be pretty hard to get people to belive otherwise.

I can't remember being in strong disagreement with you on much before, Marty, but on this one, I have to echo @'O Zio - the reference to hanging does relate to Judas Escariot and his self-destruction following his betrayal of Jesus, not extrajudicial killings of black people in the Deep South

But even if we were talking about US Deep South / Civil Rights Movement era lynchings, they didn't necessarily involve a hanging: one of the most infamous lynchings during the Civil Rights Movement was the murder of 14-year old Emmet Till in 1955. He was shot and dumped in a river - he wasn't hanged. Then there was the case of the Freedom Summer murders in 1964, where James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner were abducted and murdered - again, they were all shot and then buried.

Also (staying within the context of US Civil Rights), a small but still significant minority of lynchings were carried out against non-black "ethnic minorities" (such as those of Hispanic, Asian or indigenous heritage). Campbell has never spoken about any other skin-colour grouping but the one he identifies with so, again echoing @'O Zio, there is more nuance there.

That doesn't mean to say that a large number of lynchings didn't involve hanging, but the idea that our rage over twatboy's betrayal coalesced into some Deep-Southesque, cousin-marrying, KKK-supporting desire to exact revenge on the grounds of race, centred only on him to boot, was simply the tabloids being at their most reductive. It wouldn't surprise me if it were twatboy's own management who pushed the story with the tabloids in the first place - it's not outside the realms of possibility...

But I do agree that there could be a perception of it.

Anyway, I've gone completely off topic, so: bog off Scumbell, you're a twat, feel sorry for Macclesfield fans being lumbered with your swivel-eyed, self-aggrandising idiocy.

 

[THX2208]

And I want to be the Heavyweight Champion Of The World and Mr. Olympia ?

 

[mickeybaz]

From The Times this morning - Sol didn't even make it to half time...

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[aliyid]

This is the main point of the issue for me. It is not as simplea discussion as "best man gets the job."

I saw a documentary series about black managers in England. The amount of times black ex-players said there was no point in getting their badges was the concern.

I read 33% of British players in the Prem are black. That's a pool of talent that are potentially not being used.

I don't believe it is a simple case of racism. But there is an issue if people feel there is no point in them going for certain jobs.

John Barnes needs to be quiet on the issue. He was given several jobs with potential and he failed miserably. Now Campbel has got a job and he seems allwrong for management.

Hughton has got the experience and qualifications and now gets work at Prem clubs.

But lets not dumb this issue down to "best man gets the job." The issue isn't that simple.

I fully agree with this and it’s a tricky issue to properly analyse as the numbers can be so blinkered when twisted to fit a story (mainly by media & diversity campaigners).

As an example take the “33% of British players in prem are black” figure...

• That is true today but if we look at the average age of managers in prem (50yrs old) and look back to when they were playing, that % would be half that number (16% 25yrs ago LINK)
• How many of today’s prem managers ‘played’ in England’s top league during their playing career? One - Chris Hughton

 

[dontcallme]

I fully agree with this and it’s a tricky issue to properly analyse as the numbers can be so blinkered when twisted to fit a story (mainly by media & diversity campaigners).

As an example take the “33% of British players in prem are black” figure...

• That is true today but if we look at the average age of managers in prem (50yrs old) and look back to when they were playing, that % would be half that number (16% 25yrs ago LINK)
• How many of today’s prem managers ‘played’ in England’s top league during their playing career? One - Chris Hughton

True but I did say the 33% are ‘potentially ‘ not used. As there is still a lack of black retired players getting their coaching badges it is fair to assume a large percentage of players won’t look into management.

 

[aliyid]

True but I did say the 33% are ‘potentially ‘ not used. As there is still a lack of black retired players getting their coaching badges it is fair to assume a large percentage of players won’t look into management.

I think the numbers are quite similar irrespective of skin colour.

If you look at the hundreds (probably thousands) of English ex-footballers it’s a very low % who go into management let alone manage in the top flight

 

[dontcallme]

I think the numbers are quite similar irrespective of skin colour.

If you look at the hundreds (probably thousands) of English ex-footballers it’s a very low % who go into management let alone manage in the top flight

True but per my previous post you can find lots of black players with the attitude of there is no point in getting their coaching badges.

There is a difference in not wanting to go into management and wanting to but not believing you will get a fair shot.

 

[buckley]

Sol wants to be the greatest manager in the world well I find that greedy .
He is already the greatest liar in the world.
He is already the greatest two faced person in the world.
He also has the greatest poker face in the world proven by his ability to look you in the eye and give away nothing.
He is already the most hated person in the world.
This man is so greedy how many more accolades does he need.

 

[DJS]

I’ve always had a soft spot for colchester united! ??

 

[neilp]

Macclesfield lost against Colchester today

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

His world class insight and experience obviously doing the trick then!

 

[Col_M]

Sol Campbell. The David Davis Of football leading Macclesfield to Leagexit