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Sol Campbell wants to be one of the greatest British managers ever

ValenciaYid

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Campbells opinion of himself is so high it should be fucking drug tested. When he fails, which imo he will, he will blame it on something racially driven.....
 

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If he doesn't keep them up it doesn't look bad for him as they are in the shit already. If he does keep them up then he looks like a genius so he's in a win win situation.

Hope he gets the boot before Christmas. Actually on Christmas day. That's the only present I want.
 

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If he doesn't keep them up it doesn't look bad for him as they are in the shit already. If he does keep them up then he looks like a genius so he's in a win win situation.

Hope he gets the boot before Christmas. Actually on Christmas day. That's the only present I want.

He may think it's a win win, but if he loses the dressing room early and gets some bad publicity he may find he won't get another chance.

I can't see it being long before he is crashes and burns, he's really not all there.
 

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He may think it's a win win, but if he loses the dressing room early and gets some bad publicity he may find he won't get another chance.

I can't see it being long before he is crashes and burns, he's really not all there.

So what you are saying is "He's starting at the bottom....and going to drop further!" I'd agree with that.
 

nailsy

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Is it though? Genuine question as I really don’t know what percentage of black applicants are actually getting jobs, when compared to the percentage of “non black” applicants getting employment.
If there is a big disparity then yes, you would have a case for discrimination, if the comparative qualifications are similar. If not then again, the whole thing smacks of employing black people because of the colour of their skin and not because the skills they can bring to bear are better than those of applicants who are not black.

As far as I am concerned, you employ whoever is most suitable, regardless of their skin colour.

Last season there were three black managers in English football. When you look at how many black players there are in the game there definitely seems to be a problem.
 

Ionman34

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Last season there were three black managers in English football. When you look at how many black players there are in the game there definitely seems to be a problem.
Why?

The quantity of black players isn’t directly proportionate to the quantity getting their badges and applying for positions, or is it?

At the moment, all I’m seeing is “we need more black coaches/managers. What I haven’t seen is anyone posting up that there are a large amount of qualified black coaches/managers applying for work and getting ignored in favour of non black applicants.

I’m not arguing against them mate, I’m just wanting clarification, rather than this seeming assertion that because there aren’t that many, they’re being passed over because of some perceived racism.

I don’t want black coaches/managers in the game purely to give some sort of perceived “balance,” meaning that eminently more qualified applicants, regardless of their race, miss out because their skin is the wrong colour, that’s just another form of discrimination. The only criteria I’m interested in is ability and qualifications.

If a White applicant is more qualified than a black one then I’m sorry, but the black applicant should miss out, and vice versa, else why bother doing your badges, slogging it out in lower leagues and building up that resume?
 

nailsy

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Why?

The quantity of black players isn’t directly proportionate to the quantity getting their badges and applying for positions, or is it?

At the moment, all I’m seeing is “we need more black coaches/managers. What I haven’t seen is anyone posting up that there are a large amount of qualified black coaches/managers applying for work and getting ignored in favour of non black applicants.

I’m not arguing against them mate, I’m just wanting clarification, rather than this seeming assertion that because there aren’t that many, they’re being passed over because of some perceived racism.

I don’t want black coaches/managers in the game purely to give some sort of perceived “balance,” meaning that eminently more qualified applicants, regardless of their race, miss out because their skin is the wrong colour, that’s just another form of discrimination. The only criteria I’m interested in is ability and qualifications.

If a White applicant is more qualified than a black one then I’m sorry, but the black applicant should miss out, and vice versa, else why bother doing your badges, slogging it out in lower leagues and building up that resume?

I haven't seen those figures either, but it's not a huge leap to expect a league with a large percentage of black players to have a similar percentage of black managers. Two years ago there were no black managers in any of Europe's top five leagues. Doen't that seem odd to you? There was only one black manager at the last world cup. Despite the African nations qualifying.

If there aren't as many black players applying for coaching badges and jobs then you'd have to ask why anyway.

And no-one is saying give a less experienced guy the job over a better qualified candidate.
 

Ionman34

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I haven't seen those figures either, but it's not a huge leap to expect a league with a large percentage of black players to have a similar percentage of black managers. Two years ago there were no black managers in any of Europe's top five leagues. Doen't that seem odd to you? There was only one black manager at the last world cup. Despite the African nations qualifying.

If there aren't as many black players applying for coaching badges and jobs then you'd have to ask why anyway.

And no-one is saying give a less experienced guy the job over a better qualified candidate.
I get exactly what your saying nailsy, they are indeed questions that need answering. My point is that, until we have those answers, stating the Football “needs” more black coaches/managers is just an exercise in pandering to equality by numbers rather than by skillset or achievement.

I don’t know why there are so few black managers. Maybe they are not being given the opportunities, maybe they are not taking the opportunities. It’s not too far beyond the bounds of comprehension to believe that many of the black ex players are simply not interested in the role. For many who have made their money, maybe they’ve just decided to enjoy what they’ve got? There are many more white ex players in England who have gone that way. Why didn’t someone like Mickey Hazard go that route rather than becoming a taxi driver? Why did Fashanu go into tv presenting rather than take his badges?

To date, the only black ex player kicking up a fuss about this is Judas. There have been plenty of black players who have the character to stand up and voice their opinion when they deemed it necessary, I’ve not seen one yet claiming that his skin colour prevented him from going into coaching or management.

Maybe we will see more black ex players chirping up now, but until we do I really don’t see anything sinister in the proportion of black to non black managers, particularly in the English game.
 

nailsy

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I get exactly what your saying nailsy, they are indeed questions that need answering. My point is that, until we have those answers, stating the Football “needs” more black coaches/managers is just an exercise in pandering to equality by numbers rather than by skillset or achievement.

I don’t know why there are so few black managers. Maybe they are not being given the opportunities, maybe they are not taking the opportunities. It’s not too far beyond the bounds of comprehension to believe that many of the black ex players are simply not interested in the role. For many who have made their money, maybe they’ve just decided to enjoy what they’ve got? There are many more white ex players in England who have gone that way. Why didn’t someone like Mickey Hazard go that route rather than becoming a taxi driver? Why did Fashanu go into tv presenting rather than take his badges?

To date, the only black ex player kicking up a fuss about this is Judas. There have been plenty of black players who have the character to stand up and voice their opinion when they deemed it necessary, I’ve not seen one yet claiming that his skin colour prevented him from going into coaching or management.

Maybe we will see more black ex players chirping up now, but until we do I really don’t see anything sinister in the proportion of black to non black managers, particularly in the English game
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There have been a lot of different guys saying the same thing over a number of years. This article is four years old and has comments from John Barnes, Paul Davis, Les Ferdinand...

https://www.itv.com/news/2014-10-17/why-are-there-so-few-black-managers-in-football/

And this was from Chris Hughton recently:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...agers-don-t-want-tokenism-we-want-opportunity
 

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The number of black players is irrelevant really, what's more relevant is how many individuals who are considered BAME are signing up to be coaches, complete the courses and then actively pursue that career.

You don't need to be an ex-player to become a manager, so remove that factor and lets broaden the study, look at the number of applications from those of any ethnicity other than the home nation, and see if there is any correlation. If only 3 or 4% of those signing up to become coaches or managers then that's the base you have to draw from, so statistically they are fairly represented when weighed off against those who are actually qualified and willing.

Perhaps the focus should be on encouraging younger people from the less represented communities to take up the career - simply employing more black managers won't immediately equate to more black people signing up to become managers if they're below average and suck, so make the option a realistic one and start actively going out to recruit from those communities, get the FA involved much more heavily with grass roots (they've got dick all power left at the top of the game so it's not like they're overly busy), working with The LMA to get stuck in to colleges and universities and offer management/coaching as a proper career, with broader qualfications that actually carry some heft in other areas or outside of the game if it doesn't come off for them.

It's the one part of football that didn't drag itself into the 20th Century when Sky came along. Sure, wages have gone up and what a manager is responsible for changes from one club to the next, but where players now are scouted from the age of 4 and receive support before, during and after their professional career, there are 30 odd spots for players on each squad but only one manager and they have to convince someone to give them a chance over all of the other unemployed wanna-be managers, sometimes with no experience higher than coaching kids, then claw their way up through the ranks without very much help at all. It must be a very lonely job, can't be easy to convince anyone to take it on unless they genuinely want to be a football manager, regardless of their skin colour.
 

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The "rooney rule" in american football worked incredibly well. It's not a quota it just means that they had to include non white people in the interview process.

Then hopefully this just encourages more ex footballers to see management as a viable career.
 

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The "rooney rule" in american football worked incredibly well. It's not a quota it just means that they had to include non white people in the interview process.

Then hopefully this just encourages more ex footballers to see management as a viable career.

Not enough. If they're serious about it they'll go back to the root cause - the undeniable fact that football management, unless you are an ex-player or have some other "in" into the industry, is all but a closed circuit. Look at how many failures continually get re-employed, like there's a finite amount of promising managers around.

Skin colour aside, it needs attention else we're going to be sat here in fifteen, twenty years time STILL talking about David Moyes, Big Sam, Mick McCarthy, etc.
 

thecook

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Not enough. If they're serious about it they'll go back to the root cause - the undeniable fact that football management, unless you are an ex-player or have some other "in" into the industry, is all but a closed circuit. Look at how many failures continually get re-employed, like there's a finite amount of promising managers around.

Skin colour aside, it needs attention else we're going to be sat here in fifteen, twenty years time STILL talking about David Moyes, Big Sam, Mick McCarthy, etc.

Absolutely right. Now just watch Mark Hughes walk into another big job in the next couple of months. And then repeat..
 

WalkerboyUK

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If he doesn't keep them up it doesn't look bad for him as they are in the shit already. If he does keep them up then he looks like a genius so he's in a win win situation.

Hope he gets the boot before Christmas. Actually on Christmas day. That's the only present I want.

If he does keep them up, it's not because he did well, it's because whoever takes over at Cambridge United did a shitter job and sent them down instead... :D
 

'O Zio

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Apparently the missus saw him in the Co-Op on Saturday and didn't call him a ****.

The divorce papers are in the post.
 

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Apparently the missus saw him in the Co-Op on Saturday and didn't call him a ****.

The divorce papers are in the post.

I'd feel bad calling him names though, it'd be much easier to level on a moral level if I just followed him around putting random shit into his trolley and making quiet suggestions to security that you might've seen him pocket some items.

Then hang about in the car park until he starts opening his car door, then scream "HELP! POLICE!! That man is stealing that car!", then when they arrive look double disgusted and claim he showed you his penis... or something.
 

spursfan77

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I see from the comments in here he's already made this about race rather than him being a strange person and a bellend as to why he hasn't gotten a job. That's his excuse when he fails done and dusted then.
 
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