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Sol Campbell wants to be one of the greatest British managers ever

BehindEnemyLines

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True but per my previous post you can find lots of black players with the attitude of there is no point in getting their coaching badges.

There is a difference in not wanting to go into management and wanting to but not believing you will get a fair shot.

A problem for me is the targeting of ex-players (no matter their ethnicity), as being a good player requires a totally different skillset to being a good manager. The presumption that former players should go into management is somewhat twisted and weird to me - just because you're the best banker doesn't mean you'd be best at running the bank!

Being a great player requires an admirable skillset mix of athleticism, quick thought of mind, teamwork........very little of which is needed as a manager, where decisions are more considered, tactical, financial and require a lot of soft skills. The only thing I see in Sol Campbell's favour is his experience as a player and what he might have picked up from his previous managers, but in reality, he appears to have very few of the required attributes and soft skills for the job.

Look at the best sport managers, and although they have often had a career in sport and worked with good players and coaches, they seldom were the best of footballers themselves.

Whilst ethnic diversity is underrepresented in management, I fear that they are targeting the wrong candidates towards those jobs and that is only exacerbating the problem as they inevitably fail.......and the more they fail the more of a problem it becomes!

Furthermore, there is most definitely an old pals network going on within football, as it is unconceivable that the same managers that have failed over and over again keep getting employed, and coupled with a lack of good quality candidates makes it difficult for anyone to get their foot on the ladder.
 

worcestersauce

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I'd like to think black managers will get more opportunnities as more are successful, manager of a football club is basically the the most important job at the club, it is not the kind of post that lends itself to positive discrimination because so much depends on it.
If Sol Campbell is successful that wil be a good thing for the campaign, if however he turns out to be the complete oaf everyone believes him to be he will not help the cause at all and that's what bothers me.
Currently 5% of Premier league managers are black and if you look at the English managers then the persentage rises to 33% and I think Chris Hughton is a far better example of the ability of black and ethnic minoritiy managers than the high profile faces that fell by the wayside, the other name to watch is Darren Moore at West Brom who is right up there challenging in the Chamionship, it's no good complaining there is not enough representation and then not giving it large when there are success stories to tell, I appreciate that people can feel awkward broaching the subject like that but it really is worth it, in my humble opinion.
 

'O Zio

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I'd like to think black managers will get more opportunnities as more are successful, manager of a football club is basically the the most important job at the club, it is not the kind of post that lends itself to positive discrimination because so much depends on it.
If Sol Campbell is successful that wil be a good thing for the campaign, if however he turns out to be the complete oaf everyone believes him to be he will not help the cause at all and that's what bothers me.
Currently 5% of Premier league managers are black and if you look at the English managers then the persentage rises to 33% and I think Chris Hughton is a far better example of the ability of black and ethnic minoritiy managers than the high profile faces that fell by the wayside, the other name to watch is Darren Moore at West Brom who is right up there challenging in the Chamionship, it's no good complaining there is not enough representation and then not giving it large when there are success stories to tell, I appreciate that people can feel awkward broaching the subject like that but it really is worth it, in my humble opinion.

To be fair, if I were Darren Moore, I wouldn't want to get dragged into the whole thing and used for political point-scoring by everyone. I'd want to be recognised as doing a good job as a football manager full stop, not get some patronising praise that's based on the fact that I'm black.
 

Flynn

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I’d hate to think I’d got a job because Chris Flynn had done it well before.

Why should something as arbitrary as my name or the colour of my skin influence someone into giving me a job over someone else?
 

worcestersauce

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To be fair, if I were Darren Moore, I wouldn't want to get dragged into the whole thing and used for political point-scoring by everyone. I'd want to be recognised as doing a good job as a football manager full stop, not get some patronising praise that's based on the fact that I'm black.
Which doesn't help the cause, does it.
I'm not advocating anything patronising, I'm saying that nothing convinces people that something can be done more than seeing it being done.
I’d hate to think I’d got a job because Chris Flynn had done it well before.

Why should something as arbitrary as my name or the colour of my skin influence someone into giving me a job over someone else?
Because the only reason you wouldn't get it is because of something as arbitrary as your name.
If people didn't employ people called Flynn because they thought that people called Flynn couldn't manage a football team then surely if someone called Flynn had done well before, making that fact known would help you overcome the prejudice, wouldn't it?
 

dontcallme

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I’d hate to think I’d got a job because Chris Flynn had done it well before.

Why should something as arbitrary as my name or the colour of my skin influence someone into giving me a job over someone else?

That’s just a weird point.
 

Flynn

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I just love the idea that "people" by which we mean directors at football clubs are sat with a spreadsheets open on a Saturday afternoon watching the Vidiprinter...

Newcastle 4 - 0 Liverpool

So then,
thats 1 point for all spanish managers
minus 1 point for german managers
1 point for all tubby managers
minus 1 point for all hipsters
plus 1 point for all the managers that wear suits
minus 1 point for all managers called Jurgen ....

but then, maybe thats how Mitchells black box worked???

Seriously, other than West Ham, Football clubs aren't run by idiots. If Sol fails, it just means he's shit, No director at any football club (apart from West Ham) is going to not consider employing a black manager.
 

allatsea

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I just love the idea that "people" by which we mean directors at football clubs are sat with a spreadsheets open on a Saturday afternoon watching the Vidiprinter...

Newcastle 4 - 0 Liverpool

So then,
thats 1 point for all spanish managers
minus 1 point for german managers
1 point for all tubby managers
minus 1 point for all hipsters
plus 1 point for all the managers that wear suits
minus 1 point for all managers called Jurgen ....

but then, maybe thats how Mitchells black box worked???

Seriously, other than West Ham, Football clubs aren't run by idiots. If Sol fails, it just means he's shit, No director at any football club (apart from West Ham) is going to not consider employing a black manager.

Not run by idiots you say ? Who is it then that keeps appointing the likes of Steve Bruce or Mark Hughes ? They may well be smart businessmen but too many seem to leave their common sense at home when they get involved with football.
 

Ben1

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I just love the idea that "people" by which we mean directors at football clubs are sat with a spreadsheets open on a Saturday afternoon watching the Vidiprinter...

Newcastle 4 - 0 Liverpool

So then,
thats 1 point for all spanish managers
minus 1 point for german managers
1 point for all tubby managers
minus 1 point for all hipsters
plus 1 point for all the managers that wear suits
minus 1 point for all managers called Jurgen ....

but then, maybe thats how Mitchells black box worked???

Seriously, other than West Ham, Football clubs aren't run by idiots. If Sol fails, it just means he's shit, No director at any football club (apart from West Ham) is going to not consider employing a black manager.
I think the point is, they aren't obviously out in the open judging it in such a way. But maybe, sub-consciously they are.

To clarify: the success of german based managers like Klopp and Wagner has led to further similar appointments, im sure their success influenced this decision. Similarly, there are people who don't want spurs to sign certain players from certain leagues (dutch) or of certain nationalities (Ukraine, someone said the other day). Why not? They could be world beaters and surely the fact x failed 5 years ago has zero impact on whether y fails now.

The fact there is sooooo much talk every time a black manager gets a job, means the scrutiny is significantly higher. Everyone is watching Sol and of course they haven't got a checklist, but in the back corners of some peoples minds, the link will fester. Also, as this last week or so in football has proved, that thought isn't always kept at the back of peoples minds.

For a rational mind, perhaps the link between colour and stereotypes is illogical, it is for me. But, i've worked with a fair few people who wouldn't employ a black labourer, because ridiculously, they saw them as lazy. Fucking ridiculous, but its difficult to deny its out there.
 
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WalkerboyUK

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If Sol being a manager in League 2 seems odd, it's nothing compared to this breaking news:

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Yes, that's the RFL as in the Rugby Football League...
 

nailsy

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"We need to win and we need to get up. It's a real thing, it's not Mickey Mouse football. It's real-time football with people, players, fans. This club needs to stay up."

Does anyone else suspect that Campbell thought it would be a bit like Space Jam?
 

Flynn

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I’ve changed tack. I want him to do quite well and the West Ham employ him to troll us. That’s where the wheels come off in spectacular fashion.
 
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