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Some (more) thoughts on booing

spud

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Here's a thought for you: a football club doesn't have fans; a football club IS its fans.

Irving Scholar knew this. When asked how he felt about owning Spurs, he replied to the effect that it wasn't his club. He was just the custodian. It was his job to take care of it, to nurture it, to improve it, to make it successful, and to deliver it to its next guardian. History shows that his business plan failed, but he understood that Spurs - and every other football club - exists for, and because of, its fans. You and me.

We, in turn, have a job. It is to support the club. Financially by buying match tickets and merchandise, and in the ground. These are the only real ways that we can support it. It is our money and our backing that ensures its survival, that enables its custodians to do their job, and to ensure that we pass it on to our children. Sure we can buy a share or two and we can add our names to petitions supporting ground developments, but we can only really make a difference by giving ourselves. By our support in the ground.

We are the identity of our club. We are how others perceive it. We influence the attitude of supporters and players of other clubs and the attitude of our own players and prospective players. Who we are and how we behave is vital not just to the team today but to future team members.

What do you think of Arsenal fans? Not much? How can you respect a group who behave in their own ground as if it was a theatre and noise was prohibited? What about Chelsea's? Glory-hunting bunch who weren't there fifteen years ago? What about a group of fans who at half-time in a match start to boo a group of players who have worked their bags off to limit on-form opposition to a single goal - even though they are being played together for the first time (some of them debutants) simply to ensure that the team has a better chance in more important competitions? You'd probably think that those 'supporters' were a pretty sorry bunch. And you'd be right.

This year, we will get around thirty opportunities at the Lane to make a difference to our team. To actually make a difference. We can choose to encourage them or discourage them. We can choose to influence them positively or negatively. We can choose to support them or oppose them. We can choose.

Put yourself in the players' position. They play for money, for glory, for success and maybe, just maybe, for the fans. For the idolisation. For the fact that they want to be loved. If it was you, would you want to perform for somebody who barracked you every time you did something wrong? Or would you think 'bollocks to this' and play it safe, just do enough to go under the radar? How do you think that would affect the result? Would it inspire the team to give its all to turn things around. Probably not. It might have a neutral effect, it might even be harmful, but does anybody really think that it would be positive?

Alternatively, what if the crowd got behind you if your first touch was off? What if you didn't get stick when you misplaced a pass, but were cheered on the next time you got the ball? What if when you conceded a goal they raised the roof and you could see the opposition start to worry that they had just woken up in a lion's cage? Would you be inspired? Would you raise your game? Would you give everything? Would you go on international duty and tell your mates what an amazing set of fans Spurs have and how lucky you are to be at the club?

How we behave towards our team has an effect. How 36,000 people behave towards it has a greater effect. You know what it's like when the Lane is rocking. You know the way the team reacts to it. You know how good it makes you feel when you're part of it. You know it. Why not do it all the time? Like individual players, and the team as a whole, we'll have our off days. We won't be great all the time. But we can always be bloody good.

So, ladies and gentlemen, the next time that you are enjoying the privilege of watching a game at White Hart Lane and things aren't going exacly as you had hoped, think about your response. Make a good choice. Do something positive. Forget about being pissed off. Make yourself feel better by getting behind the team. Support them. Put the fear of God into the other lot. Honour the great players - and fans - of the past. Show the world that we are the mighty Spurs, that our club is in good hands, and that we will never be beaten.
 

bigspurs

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No one wants to boo the team or manager, but sometimes emotion and shear frustration take over. For example, when you've just paid £50 for a ticket, we're playing a crap side at home and we're losing 1-0. A slightly different but valid scenario can be when Ars*nal beat us 1-4 at home, compounded by the fact that the manager thought it was a good idea to start Palacios and Sandro in the same midfield. In both of these cases I think it is fair to expect more. And that's part of being a big club, the expectation!

I really wish I was a wishy-washy liberal, live and let live, ahhh – he didn't mean it, give him another chance, its the taking part that counts loser, but I'm not unfortunately. So those kind of people can take their self righteous heads out of their arses and get real.
 

sebo_sek

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I agree with you. It's just the way you worded it, I swear to God. It did make me smile a tad.
But I fully support your cause. Booing at the Lane is unforgiveable. If I ever get the money/ avaialable seat due to low level opposition, and actually come to the Lane, I will enjoy every second even if we don't win. I saw us play twice in 96 and 97 and I'm still to witness a win from the stands. Just think about that you priviliged lot that get to watch us week in week out.
 

Maske2g

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I booed the fact we played 3 defensive midfielders at home. Thats not the club I support.
 

JerryGarcia

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You pay for the privilege of supporting Spurs and if you boo then you're just wasting a seat that someone else could have had. It has nothing to do with being a "a wishy-washy liberal", common sense should tell you that the team will react better to cheering than booing. Why don't you want to support the team? There are plenty of people who pay for their ticket and cheer like crazy through thick and thin, they don't expect the perfect performance every time they go because that would truly be "self righteous".
 

2bearis2do

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You've got to put a boo into perspective.
A half time boo at being 1-0 down is often nothing more than a pantomime boo at the scoreline - it's not aggressive or directed at anyone in particular and for the preceding 45minutes there won't have been any booing, but just plain encouragement.
I'm sure even the youngest of Spurs players can see that and I think we read far too much into it. If anything (in games where we are playing below par) it can be a kick up the half time Jaxie to motivate the players and the manager).
I don`t support it or object to it, it's been going on for longer than I've been around. Yer pays yer money and yer gets yer choice.
WHL has one of the best atmospheres and most stirring band of supporters, - who encourage good football - in the country. Even being 4-1 down to the Scum - and with half a stadium, the support, in the 120th minute having taken our medicine, was triffic. That is the heart and soul of the club, not the half-felt underwhelming booing of the minority in a full stadium at half time. The players know this.
(P.S.) I have booed very loudly at the Lane - aimed at GGraham and some of the dross we had to watch under him, but that is the only time in 40 years!)
 

roosh

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I fully agree. It is the single most pointless thing a person can do at a match. It achieves absolutely nothing, and can only have a negative affect on the team. If you go to watch spurs and you want to see them win, then booing doesn't help.

Annoying
It riles me sometimes about spurs fans, I think we have an over-inflated self image, about just how good our supporters are. Now, I agree that we have a group of fans who can be amongst the best, and our travelling support always seem to give a good account of themselves, but at the Lane we can be vary varied.

Too often it seems like we wait for the team to get us going, without realising, as the OP says, that we can make a real difference. We may create a good atmosphere at the start of a match, but all too often when things start to go against us, we go very quiet, and often start to get on our players backs. I'm sure many will say that this is natural, and that every group of fans do it, but the point is, we have the choice to be different.

Psychology
When a team comes to the Lane, or indeed when a team plays away from home, how many times have we heard about keeping things tight, and then the home fans will start to get on their players backs? Psychology is major, major part of the game, and 36,000 people watching you play football is going to have a major impact on your psychology. If those 36k start to turn against you, and start to get impatient, then they will influence your mood and you will start to get impatient. If those 36k sing loudly and cheer ever positive thing you do, then you will be motivated by that. If they sing your name, and sing in support of the team, then that is going to positively impact your psychological state, and therefore your game.

As the OP says, if players know they are going to get booed for trying something which mightn't come off, that could potentially change a game, then they are increasingly less likely to try it, of if they do try it, they may be more fearful than if they knew the crowd would support them regardless. This very subtle, sub-conscious thinking can make all the difference. If a players tries something with a sub-conscious fear, then they may hold back just that little bit, whereas if they do something with confidence then they are more likely to succeed.


Education drive
Of course there is a massive amount of psychological conditioning on behalf of the fans, that makes them boo, or not sing, and this is something that would have to be worked on. It isn't something that will just happen. That is why I would love to see the club, or some supporters group start an ititiative to make our fans by far and away the best in the country. Some kind of "education" (for want of a better word) drive, in the matchday programme, or fliers handed out before games. It would be great to see such a group work to develop songs for players and the club too.
 

bigspurs

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You pay for the privilege of supporting Spurs and if you boo then you're just wasting a seat that someone else could have had. It has nothing to do with being a "a wishy-washy liberal", common sense should tell you that the team will react better to cheering than booing. Why don't you want to support the team? There are plenty of people who pay for their ticket and cheer like crazy through thick and thin, they don't expect the perfect performance every time they go because that would truly be "self righteous".

No one expects a 'perfect performance', but what we do expect is a performance. We all 'cheer like crazy', but sometimes its hard when they are losing at home to Wigan for no logical reason. Maybe you should see a few home defeats first hand before you formulate an opinion based nothing!
 

sebo_sek

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No one expects a 'perfect performance', but what we do expect is a performance. We all 'cheer like crazy', but sometimes its hard when they are losing at home to Wigan for no logical reason. Maybe you should see a few home defeats first hand before you formulate an opinion based nothing!
That's the whole point. There are hundreds of thousands of fans out there who can't witness those defeats and it does pain us to watch those with that privilage booing. If you want to vent your frustration then come on here afterwards and type the shit out of it, but don't do it in the stands. That's my take on things anyway.
 

roosh

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No one expects a 'perfect performance', but what we do expect is a performance. We all 'cheer like crazy', but sometimes its hard when they are losing at home to Wigan for no logical reason. Maybe you should see a few home defeats first hand before you formulate an opinion based nothing!

The thing is "we all cheer like crazy" when things are going well, but when things start to go against us, we tend to turn on the players. It is of course hard, as you say, when watching games like Wigan at home, because it is very much habitual to graon when things aren't going our way. It actually takes a lot of effort to cheer on the team when things are going badly, just as it is difficult in any aspect of life to remain positive when things are going against us. The thing is, that in both situations, offering encouragement and staying positive is always the best option, because it does more to improve the situtation than becoming negative.
 

JimmyG2

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I'm a carrot man rather than a stick person.
Encourage, enthuse, support (think 'supporters') because that is more likely to achieve the result that you want, better players playing better.

If you begrudge the money, don't go, there is no shortage of people who would love to take your place.

Managers, even St. Harry, players, owners, Chairman are all temporary the club was there before them and will be there after them.
So support the club. If you feel so strongly weep in private and e-mail the club.
But in public your duty on behalf of the hundreds of thousand of Tottenham supporters who are not there is to try to lift the team.

Blimey if you boo nowadays you should have seen them when they were really bad.
This is a good team doing really well, Champions League for heavens sake.
Last night Harry did what we have been asking him to do, put some youngsters on, give Gio a game, whatever and we boo the poor bastards?

The players don't know why you're booing so don't do it.

Lashing out is what cats are for.
 

Pillbug

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Ever so heartwarming to believe that we fans make a difference... but it's utter bull. Athlete after athlete has said that in 99% of the cases, the fans make no difference whatsoever irrespective of their cheering or booing. These are professional athletes. The suck-up-ery about "the fans own the team" is cute, but I think we know ENIC owns the team.

As I was saying, athletes don't particularly think the fans make much or any difference. Sure they might play to the crowd as it is good for their public image for shirt says and having sex with various WAGs, but let's be serious.

The article seems to be saying that if you cheer on, rather than boo, the team, they will be more likely to win. What nonsense. I am no booer, but The teams that are being booed are the ones who are under-performing, not underperforming because they are being booed.
 

felmonger

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I really wish I was a wishy-washy liberal, live and let live, ahhh – he didn't mean it, give him another chance, its the taking part that counts loser, but I'm not unfortunately. So those kind of people can take their self righteous heads out of their arses and get real.

Sir or Madam. I am a 'wishy -washy liberal' but I hope you won't object too strongly if I were to suggest that it is, in fact, you who has his 'head up his arse', while believing that if I dare to think and act differently to your good self then I must be, by definition, wrong. Such arrogance stifles debate and, with apologies, gets right up my nose.

ps. Spurs supporter and fan since 1950's and season ticket holder since most of the current team were in nappies!
 

felmonger

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Having got that bit of ire out of my system, I can comment calmly on the article, most of which I agree with. However 'sebo sec' draws attention to the position the fans in the ground hold with respect to all the thousands of equally fervent fans who are not at WHL because of cost or distance or just plain unable to get tickets. We who are lucky enough to be in the ground are their representatives. Their reputation depends on how we behave. (It was the action of a few fans who caused all football supporters to be labelled 'hooligans'.) It is up to us in the ground to ensure that Spurs fans around the world get the respect they are due.
 

parj

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as a paying fan you have the right to boo your team as a sign of complaint about the product you have paid for. Lets get things right, football is now a business and that means Tottenham Hotspur are now a product.

We cheer when they do well and we boo when the do bad. Just like keeping a good quality product and complaining about a bad.
 

PT

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as a paying fan you have the right to boo your team as a sign of complaint about the product you have paid for. Lets get things right, football is now a business and that means Tottenham Hotspur are now a product.

We cheer when they do well and we boo when the do bad. Just like keeping a good quality product and complaining about a bad.

The day you understood (wrongly) that our football Club is a product is the day you sadly lost your soul old bean.
 

rich75

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as a paying fan you have the right to boo your team as a sign of complaint about the product you have paid for. Lets get things right, football is now a business and that means Tottenham Hotspur are now a product.

We cheer when they do well and we boo when the do bad. Just like keeping a good quality product and complaining about a bad.

How shallow can you possibly be, this isn't like buying a fucking flat screen telly and getting the hump because you've got a dead pixel, it's not x factor with some talentless fuckwit being soullessly packaged into a facsimile of a real singer. If you genuinely think supporting a football team is the same as buying a product then you really would be better off supporting Chelsea or United. At least then you know you've got a good chance of your "product" being the best you can buy
 

dontcallme

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as a paying fan you have the right to boo your team as a sign of complaint about the product you have paid for. Lets get things right, football is now a business and that means Tottenham Hotspur are now a product.

We cheer when they do well and we boo when the do bad. Just like keeping a good quality product and complaining about a bad.

Unbelievable lack of understanding of what being a fan is.
 

roosh

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as a paying fan you have the right to boo your team as a sign of complaint about the product you have paid for. Lets get things right, football is now a business and that means Tottenham Hotspur are now a product.

We cheer when they do well and we boo when the do bad. Just like keeping a good quality product and complaining about a bad.

I take your point, if you pay you have the choice.

the issue is, that if you had the choice to positively impact the products performance, or negatively impact it, which would you choose, after paying for it?
 

lazarus

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As some here know; this is a real bug-bear of mine, but I've got no more points to add to this issue that haven't been made already.

However, let me relate to you a little anecdote from Tuesday's game;

Highlight of the game for me was after the 3rd and 4th goals went in.

Suddenly there was an exodus from the ground, and there were only about 30-40% of our fans left. That's when the real support started. With 20 mins left, 4-1 down, 2 or 3 of our players hobbling around with cramp and Arsenal playing keepball; you'd have thought it would be total doom and gloom.

Instead we got the real fans singing their hearts out, and for the first time in the game we outsung the Arsenal fans solidly for 20 mins (and there were a lot of them - don't know who thought it was a good idea to give them so many tickets).

You could see the difference it made to the players as well, their heads lifted a bit and they actually started to press the Arsenal back and get more of the ball and show more spirit.

Now I'm not saying all the people that left early weren't real fans (alright, I suppose I am) as I'm sure some of them had long journeys home etc. But I will note is that none of the boo-boys remained. And for me; a real fan stays and supports his team no matter how bad it gets.

I'm sure if those so called fans had stayed, and continued to harangue and harass our own players; we would have lost that game by more than 4. We would also have seen the crushing of the spirit of a number of young lads who were playing their first big game in a spurs shirt, and who needed all the support they could get.

It would have been nice if someone had led the players back around the pitch when the game ended, to applaud the fans who stayed behind and sang their hearts out, but thats one of those things.

It was a fine moment, those 20 mins of singing. Reminiscent of the night we lost to Sevilla in the UEFA cup. Its moments like that (as much as the glory moments like when we won the League cup) that make me proud to be a Spurs fan.

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;

.....Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!


To those who say they paid their money's worth and so have a right to boo or shout at their own players; do us real fans (fan = fanatic) a favour: keep your money and watch the game at home or on the radio. If it means more to you what your gooner or chelski mates are going to say than it does to back your team 100%; then you're no fan, you're a glory hunter like them except maybe to stubborn to change affiliation.

Ramble over.
 
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