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FinnYid

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So AVB was better than Sherwood? So if we had come 2nd but less points, that wouldn't be improvement nor better than previous year?

We finished higher in 5th position, not 6th like the previous year.

Do you feel like it was proper improvement?
 

theShiznit

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Denying what? That pointwise it was worst season since Ramos days par that season when we actually had CL as "distraction" and even then we got mere 2 points less and were closer to 4th. We leaked as much as relegated Burnley and more than relegated Hull, well there is no denying that. Poch did just enough to win himself a 2nd season, but reckon forks will be out if there is no improvement come next may.



As compared to last season, reckon it had more to do with how we improved (despite getting chunk less points) or how Liverpool and Everton failed miserably?
Denying that poch did anything at Southampton. Some have voiced the opinion that his good season was down to Adkins and in the same breath give him no credit for what Koeman has done. I imagine if Koeman had taken over from Sherwood (where players were queuing to leave or sat rocking in the corner of the dressing room ) his results would have been a lot different.

Time will tell but i think that's the peak of what Southampton will achieve too. Will also be surprised if Sherwood sees out next season at villa.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Then again we were told all at Soton last season was down to Poch and we had season where we fired one manager at halfway through the season and had according some, worst manager on planet on helm for the rest. And we dropped points from that? And managed to let in more goals despite hammerings of last season? So while decline of Everton and Liverpool helped us climb a position and Poch did enough to win another season, it's not much of an achievement, is it?

What Poch achieved prior to us is now irrelevant. We can judge him on what he's done here.

Obviously there are games we should've won and goals we shouldn't have conceded. But, just as you can't only judge by the position in the table, you also have to take into consideration other factors:
  • We have the youngest squad in the league with very few experienced heads in the first XI (who's our most experienced outfielder? Adebayor? Soldado?).
  • We didn't give Poch the players he wanted in the summer. He had to settle for second or third choices in pretty much every department, so he's been held back in that respect.
  • He seems to have generated a very positive atmosphere amongst the squad, and by focusing on youth he's now started to create an identity than we really haven't had since Harry was here.
  • We haven't utterly capitulated in the same way that we did under Sherwood and AVB last season. We've lost some games by 3 goals, which isn't great. But we haven't embarrassed ourselves in the same way. That can only be good for morale.
So, whilst we achieved more points last season, I and many others are more positive now than this time last year.
 

FinnYid

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What Poch achieved prior to us is now irrelevant. We can judge him on what he's done here.

Obviously there are games we should've won and goals we shouldn't have conceded. But, just as you can't only judge by the position in the table, you also have to take into consideration other factors:
  • We have the youngest squad in the league with very few experienced heads in the first XI (who's our most experienced outfielder? Adebayor? Soldado?).
  • We didn't give Poch the players he wanted in the summer. He had to settle for second or third choices in pretty much every department, so he's been held back in that respect.
  • He seems to have generated a very positive atmosphere amongst the squad, and by focusing on youth he's now started to create an identity than we really haven't had since Harry was here.
  • We haven't utterly capitulated in the same way that we did under Sherwood and AVB last season. We've lost some games by 3 goals, which isn't great. But we haven't embarrassed ourselves in the same way. That can only be good for morale.
So, whilst we achieved more points last season, I and many others are more positive now than this time last year.

There weren't that big changes on playing side from last season ie. it was young side last season also. As for not getting his top choices, well that just doesn't happen here, not for him, not for previous managers. Again there is little there compared to previous managers. As for third point, debatable and at times on spring we looked lacklustre as ever. As for last point. Well, we still managed to concede more than last season and got less points ie. what's few spankings compared to bigger picture?
 

FinnYid

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Denying that poch did anything at Southampton.

Well, I'm not denying that. He did good job there. He didn't do messiahlike job like some made it look like last summer. Guess this season is evidence enough on that.

Time will tell but i think that's the peak of what Southampton will achieve too. Will also be surprised if Sherwood sees out next season at villa.

Well, he may well meet with Poch on unemployment office. Because that is where Poch will find himself in a year, at most in year and a half if things don't improve. Nothing, absolutely nothing, in our history suggests that he can keep his job on current achievement level for years.
 

Rout-Ledge

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There weren't that big changes on playing side from last season ie. it was young side last season also. As for not getting his top choices, well that just doesn't happen here, not for him, not for previous managers. Again there is little there compared to previous managers. As for third point, debatable and at times on spring we looked lacklustre as ever. As for last point. Well, we still managed to concede more than last season and got less points ie. what's few spankings compared to bigger picture?

Ultimately, in terms of actual achievement on paper, it's very similar. Same as most of our seasons have been for the past 10 years.

Other than the utterly appalling Ramos tenure (I include Harry's first season in that, as it was Ramos's eight games that prevented us from finishing higher), we've not finished lower than 6th or higher than 4th in the last 10 seasons. That's actually remarkably consistent. 5th is par for us now. Not bad, not great.

We all have our opinions on who's done the best, who squandered world class players, who overachieved and who underachieved. But put simply, until someone takes us below 6th or above 4th, they really haven't stood out from the crowd of Spurs managers of the last 10 years in a meaningful way. Sherwood didn't. Pochettino hasn't yet.
 

FinnYid

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But put simply, until someone takes us below 6th or above 4th, they really haven't stood out from the crowd of Spurs managers of the last 10 years in a meaningful way. Sherwood didn't. Pochettino hasn't yet.

Actually to me it seems more like below 6th or above 5th as Harry is only one in PL era to get us 4th and he did it on 2/3 of his full seasons. And that stands out in a meaningful way to me.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Actually to me it seems more like below 6th or above 5th as Harry is only one in PL era to get us 4th and he did it on 2/3 of his full seasons. And that stands out in a meaningful way to me.

Yeah that's fair. He's the only one to have managed it.
 

spurs9

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I think the Europa league is going to screw up their PL season, especially with the qualifing round that they go in at is before the PL season starts.

It will be more of a level playing field with Liverpool having EL and Man Utd having CL. It will be interesting to see how Everton get on on the league with no European distraction and wonder if Swansea can improve.
 

beats1

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What Poch achieved prior to us is now irrelevant. We can judge him on what he's done here.

Obviously there are games we should've won and goals we shouldn't have conceded. But, just as you can't only judge by the position in the table, you also have to take into consideration other factors:
  • We have the youngest squad in the league with very few experienced heads in the first XI (who's our most experienced outfielder? Adebayor? Soldado?).
  • We didn't give Poch the players he wanted in the summer. He had to settle for second or third choices in pretty much every department, so he's been held back in that respect.
  • He seems to have generated a very positive atmosphere amongst the squad, and by focusing on youth he's now started to create an identity than we really haven't had since Harry was here.
  • We haven't utterly capitulated in the same way that we did under Sherwood and AVB last season. We've lost some games by 3 goals, which isn't great. But we haven't embarrassed ourselves in the same way. That can only be good for morale.
So, whilst we achieved more points last season, I and many others are more positive now than this time last year.
Thats not a valid point, we werent a young first 11 because poch wanted to build something, it was because Kaboul, Adebayor, Capoue and Lennon got frozen out(the only experienced players we had), then the likes of Fazio, Soldado, Paulinho and Dembele have been inconsistent. The point is poch cant boast of building a young squad because he hasn't really played any youth players or introduced any new young players and has just taken the players from the last regime and played the guys who were playing better. Had the experienced players played better and the other group not frozen out, would we have a young squad, no unless poch decided to play the likes of Bentaleb and Mason for the long term aspect
 

Monkey boy

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Just seen that the SCBC got knocked out of the Europa League last night. Probably a blessing for them really but how crap must you be to not even qualify for the Europa bloody league?
 

dk-yid

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Just seen that the SCBC got knocked out of the Europa League last night. Probably a blessing for them really but how crap must you be to not even qualify for the Europa bloody league?

To be fair they did come up against the Champions of Denmark ....
 

nightgoat

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So AVB was better than Sherwood? So if we had come 2nd but less points, that wouldn't be improvement nor better than previous year?

We finished higher in 5th position, not 6th like the previous year.

I think you're missing the point. When comparing seasons if Tim Sherwood had a higher league position, points don't matter and it's all about league position. When comparing Tim Sherwood with a manager who finished higher, position doesn't matter because points is the only true barometer.

(y)
 

ajspurs

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Just seen that the SCBC got knocked out of the Europa League last night. Probably a blessing for them really but how crap must you be to not even qualify for the Europa bloody league?

Plus side is like you say, probably a blessing for them but honestly watching them yesterday I was thinking fucking hell, I thought we needed work on our team but they looked very very poor.
 

thinktank

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Sep 28, 2004
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Just seen that the SCBC got knocked out of the Europa League last night. Probably a blessing for them really but how crap must you be to not even qualify for the Europa bloody league?
If they'd have reached the group stages they would have been in big trouble in the prem this season. Drat!
 

nightgoat

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If they'd have reached the group stages they would have been in big trouble in the prem this season. Drat!

On the plus side that should mean all our EL games are televised. I think BT can only show two games due to the kick off times, and they sure as hell wouldn't pick any Liverpool games to not televise.
 

SpursManChris

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May 15, 2007
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What is going on with the empty seats? That is twice now I have seen this, the second time is just shockingly bad:

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