Southampton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[hodsgod]

I can't agree with this. Benni has become a superb Left Back in his absence. In actual fact he was a decent left back who had good technical skills.

Rose on the other hand is not as technical but is so much more suited to the role of a full back. Able to bomb up and down the flank all day, provide width, pull defenders away and cross the ball when required.

I love Benni and think he is a very cool dude but he is nowhere near as good as people like to think and if he came back tomorrow we'd have all the same old threads we did before - where he switches off, loses his man, when attacking he gets to the half way line and stops.


I don't think that Rose is good enough as I think the full backs are really important to the way that we play (I'm also really worried about a long term injury to Walker as Fredericks is not good enough for more than the odd cameo and let's just forget Naughton is in the squad!). We should still in January buy a left back - Luke Shaw would be perfect but will be waaaaay too much money.

I always had a feeling AVB spoiled Benny. I felt he changed and stopped going as far forward when the manager changed. I can't say it's true, just an observation.

 

[OnTheUp]

IMO Rose is still developing his style, BAE seems not to be playing as well for QPR as he did at Spurs under Harry - but maybe that's because he's playijg wiith less talented players. I'm certainly in favour of bringing BAE back to Spurs, but whether he'll regain his old form is something we will have to see.

Rose is pretty skillful, so not sure BAE is necessarily that much better, but BAE is certainly more experienced.

I like Rose but my first choice would be BAE. For all his strengths there's one serious chink in Rose's armour for a defender, his height.

Forgot to add how BAE is always very composed on the ball, always seems to have time. As you mention this is probably down to his experience and certainly something Rose can learn.

 

[Macspur261]

I was really upbeat about this game last night, and despite all the wrist slitting going on round here I'm glad I stuck to my beliefs.
Happy Christmas to everyone, I'm going to enjoy it more with a good away win under our belts.


COYS

 

[Spursidol]

I like Rose but my first choice would be BAE. For all his strengths there's one serious chink in Rose's armour for a defender, his height.

Forgot to add how BAE is always very composed on the ball, always seems to have time. As you mention this is probably down to his experience and certainly something Rose can learn.

Agre Rose is not as big as I'd like - but he's maybe 5 foot 8 inches whereas BAE maybe 5 foot 10 inches. Not sure 2 or 3 inches difference in height makes one a shoe in versus the other.

BAE is almost 30 so the question becomes whether Rose develops this season this season to becoming a good LB, and we decide to sell BAE (which seemed to be AVB's choice) . Or whether we use and keep both.

 

[HailKingLevy]

Didn't see the game today, but i for one am not willing to put all my eggs in Adebayour's basket.

No fucking way, can only be judged at the end of the season. Just don't trust him.

 

[chris_theo]

I like Rose but my first choice would be BAE. For all his strengths there's one serious chink in Rose's armour for a defender, his height.

Forgot to add how BAE is always very composed on the ball, always seems to have time. As you mention this is probably down to his experience and certainly something Rose can learn.

Clearly height ain't his strong point but did you see the way he was jumping up for headers today? Definitely got a spring. I never used to be his biggest fan but I think the kid will be great for us in years to come. He's similar to Walker in that he bombs up and down that wing and isn't afraid of anything. I quite like him!

 

[chris_theo]

On the plus side Sherwood has the highest win percentage of all our managers , 50%! Get the man a full time contract!!!

 

[NEVILLEB]

All the hot air on this forum defending AVB's tactics and the truth was revealed in one match.

That's the Tottenham I remember.

Stick Sandro in and Verts and we have a team again.

AVB, I pity the next club you manage. Your ego is far bigger than your talent.

 

[scissor_gang]

AVB, I pity the next club you manage.

A bit harsh maybe, perhaps he'll do well on the continent. The PL wasn't a good fit for him and I hated the way we played under him but I could see him finding success outside the PL.

 

[scissor_gang]

Seeing Bentaleb today made me feel glad AvB has gone, the whole obsession and clamour for world class players when a decent young player is right under his nose has made my mind up, he wasn't the right man for us.
Not sure Sherwood is either but he has given a much needed confidence boost, if we take that into the next few games then another 6 points should be ours against West Brom and Stoke.

I thought that was a ballsy move: putting the kid on w/ Capoue on the bench only being up by 1 w/ SH looking dangerous at times (and Loris w/ occasional poor judgment). But what can I say? kid looked good, well played TS

 

[Syn_13]

All the hot air on this forum defending AVB's tactics and the truth was revealed in one match.

That's the Tottenham I remember.

Stick Sandro in and Verts and we have a team again.

AVB, I pity the next club you manage. Your ego is far bigger than your talent.

Funny really, the way he's viewed by some on here.

I don't profess to know the whole truth with AVB, and whether he was egotistical. What is for certain is that he was a little out of his depth at times. I think he was a good bloke, but had funny ways, which you're bound to pick up working so closely with Mourinho. He ostracised certain players for their attitude and we can't honestly say whether it was deserved or not, as we don't know if they instigated it or whether he was just being obstinate. He stuck rigidly to the notion of a footballing "philosophy" and probably micro-managed too much, afraid to change what isn't working in the vain hope that it will come good.

As much as I think there were egos at Chelsea who chronically fucked him about, and the media were/are quick to jump on him in this country, I don't think it helped him that he repeated a fair few of the mistakes that held him back at Chelsea.

It may have worked out over time, but ours is not the kind of club you can do that with, and our chairman is not the kind of guy who gives people that much time. It's a shame, I really wanted him to succeed (like every Spurs manager!) and I don't bear him any ill will.

 

[pundits folly]

On the plus side Sherwood has the highest win percentage of all our managers , 50%! Get the man a full time contract!!!

Didn't AVB have 55%?

 

[Breezer]

Stronger, more aggressive, more skillfull. When he and Bale linked up under Harry we had the best left side in the PL.

You could have put any of us at Left Back and our left side would still look good with Bale playing in front of you.

 

[scissor_gang]

If Tim gets the job can see Carroll coming into the mix as well. Paulinho, holtby and capoue seem like they are gonna struggle to get a game

I think we could really use Carroll's vision and passing. Since we lost Modric we haven't had any one to really orchestrate the breaking down of a defensive minded opponent. Hopefully he can grow into that role. Plus, I'd love to see him threading some juicy through balls to Ade and/or Soldado.

 

[jedimonkey]

You could have put any of us at Left Back and our left side would still look good with Bale playing in front of you.

Even Tramazzani?

 

[scissor_gang]

I know what you mean about Lloris. He can be an absolutely superb keeper but recently he just seems to be trying to do too much and comes rushing out like a madman when there's no real need to. The second goal today was an obvious example and the penalty he gave away against Man U. He also needs to have the balls to catch the ball a bit more. I still think he's class though, he just needs to rein it in a little bit.

I think his decision making has been worse since he was KO'd. The subtle neurologic effects of even a single concussion can last weeks (even longer) so I wonder if this is the root cause of some of his recent poor choices.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Didn't AVB have 55%?

AVB took over a side in the top four, not bottom three. It' an irreverent stat.

 

[Breezer]

Even Tramazzani?

Legend!

 

[parj]

I strongly suspect that BAE will be brought back in Jan. He is a far better player than rose in every possible way.

I'm not sure BAE is better than Rose. I always feel more confident now with rose in the team cos he is better on the ball and is bloomin quick. BAE is a better defender but is too prone to craziness.

 

[Spursidol]

Think you are confusing two things. AVB was first team coach - that doesn't mean he was in overall charge opf all playing matters.

How can GazGammon put 'disagree' when the factual content of the post is very easy to check out.

A first team coach, like any other employee, is in charge of some things - but not all things : player tranfers being the obvious one.