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Dharmabum

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Spurs used to go for the full English... so, why have they now lost their homegrown appetite?

By Neil Ashton
PUBLISHED: 23:00 GMT, 2 July 2013 | UPDATED: 07:34 GMT, 3 July 2013

This is a sequence of Tottenham’s incoming transfers of English players over the past decade: 5, 3, 5, 2, 3, 4, 4, 0, 1, 1.
There was a time when Tottenham were considered to be the vanguard for buying young, English talent. It was a deliberate strategy by chairman Daniel Levy.
Everyone, from agents to players and managers of other clubs, were aware that Tottenham were in the market for young English players. Levy earmarked potential and then hoped that their re-sale value would soar as they flourished at White Hart Lane.
The trend was obvious, but there must be something wrong with the development of young players in this country when Spurs are turning their back on English talent.


In 2003-04, Spurs signed Bobby Zamora, Michael Brown, Jermain Defoe, Paul Robinson and Sean Davis. A year later they signed three more English stars: Michael Carrick, Calum Davenport and Michael Dawson.
Five more, Wayne Routledge, Aaron Lennon, Tom Huddlestone, Jermaine Jenas and Danny Murphy, arrived the following season. In 2006-07 Ben Alnwick and Darren Bent signed; Danny Rose, Dean Parrett and Jonathan Woodgate a year later.
John Bostock, David Bentley, Jake Livermore and Defoe, for a second time, arrived at White Hart Lane in 2008-09. They continued their buying policy in 2009-10 with the purchase of Kyle Naughton, Kyle Walker, Peter Crouch and back-up keeper Jimmy Walker.
And then the well dried up.



In the past three seasons Spurs have signed 18 players and only two of them – Scott Parker and Grant Hall – have been English. Parker was an established England international when he arrived from West Ham after they were relegated. Hall, who was signed from Brighton, is yet to make an impact at White Hart Lane.
Tottenham are going elsewhere for their players and it’s a reflection of a diminishing talent pool in England. Many of the players Levy signed, particularly in the early phase of his strategy, went on to become England internationals.
Carrick, Defoe, Robinson, Huddlestone, Jenas, Lennon and Dawson have all represented their country over the past decade, with varying degrees of success. Carrick, who was named Manchester United’s player of the year last season, still isn’t even first choice for his country.
Defoe is always around the England squad, but the international careers of Robinson, Huddlestone and Jenas are probably over. With the decline of the national team, being an England player is no longer guaranteed to get them a place in a top Premier League team.





Some of the young talent, such as Bentley and Bostock, have been cast adrift after failing to fulfil their potential. Bentley is notable for only two things as a Spurs player: his 30-yard strike against his former club Arsenal in 2008 and pouring a bucket of water over Harry Redknapp when they qualified for the Champions League.
Bostock, who joined from Crystal Palace shortly after his 16th birthday, was released at the end of the season following five unproductive years at White Hart Lane.
Tottenham remain in the market for English players, but they are not willing to take a risk on them. Last season head coach Andre Villas-Boas wanted to sign Wilfried Zaha from Crystal Palace. Technical co-ordinator Tim Sherwood and Les Ferdinand became regulars at Palace’s games in the Championship, but they weren’t convinced.
They know he has talent, enough to persuade Manchester United to pay £15m for him, but Zaha offered no guarantees.
It’s the reason Spurs are turning their attentions elsewhere, focusing on foreign players as they prepare for another challenge on the top four. This summer they are signing Paulinho from Corinthians and he is expected to take Parker’s place in the central midfield next season. He’s another foreign import and the Brazilian midfielder will be surrounded by players of all nationalities next season.
Parker can leave this summer and Huddlestone is also vulnerable as Villas-Boas makes changes before the start of the season. They have had good careers at Spurs and have also made the transition to play for their country at various times. Sadly, being good enough for England no longer comes with any guarantees.
 

hughy

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I can honestly say there isn't one English player for sale at the moment (barring Rooney, can't afford) who would even get in to our squad, let alone starting 11. And judging by how the u21's and u20's did in their recent competitions there isn't a lot of talent coming through either.
 

Syn_13

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I do like to see clubs promote and sign home-grown talent, but the fact of the matter is that in this country the home-grown talent is over-priced. Our club profile is higher than it was 10 years ago and we're more likely to attract good overseas players, particularly with a foreign manager and DoF.

Yes, it has a lot to do with the level of the EPL as a result of bringing in quality foreigners but it's also the way that we develop young players over here. If we adopted a more continental approach to developing youth talent, and I'm talking before they even sign professional contracts, then we would see a lot more English players have the ability to break into the Premier League. As a result, the market value of English talent will decrease as well as the reliability on foreign players to do the job for less money.
 

Spursh

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There could be a situation where apart from Walker (who still has question marks over some aspects of his game), the rest of the English contingent are either possibly not first choice players (Dawson, Caulker, Rose, Carroll, Townsend, Lennon), or quite a few of them could be up for sale (Naugton, Huddlestone, Parker, Livermore, Defoe).

Would be nice to see some more home-grown talent, but if they aren't good enough, the better players - no matter where they're from - will always get the nod. But hopefully with the new & improve training facilities, we'll be able to produce better talent to challenge the 1st team squad.
 

van_Pommel

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I'm very keen that we give our players who have come through our youth system a fair crack (perhaps even more than a fair crack) because there's something very special about a player coming through the youth system and becoming a first team regular. However, given the average quality of English youngsters coming through at other clubs and the prices that are being asked for them I'm more than happy for us to go abroad for our signings.

This will be the case until youth coaching in this country catches up with the Spains et al. I actually agreed with Arry when he suggested that Hoddle would be a good shout to head up Englands youth setup/be U21 manager.
 

Wardy

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The fact is that most of the english players are ****, just look at the national squad aka the national flop
 

kr1978

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Personally think it all boils down to money as much as talent. Zaha for £15m to united, as good as he looks that is a lot of money for a 20 year old who hasn't played at the top level when we are getting (hopefully) an established 24 year old who has represented brazil nearly 20 times and won major trophies in brazil for just 2m more in paulinho. The little English talent there is is just too expensive.
 

sim0n

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I believe you left out zeki fryers... :playful:

but we see your point,... historically there were players coming to Spurs from Scotland and Wales as well, but now it appears no one even scouts them... how about Tony Watt? just throwing that out there... :mask:
 
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