So, in conclusion, if fans are allowed in the ground the situation will be this: an away tie, probably in the pissing rain, in a city which defines the term "grim north European shithole" with home fans who make Cardiff's monkeymen look like kind old ladies. No thanks, it'll be on telly!

would prefer watching the game on the box with a bit of atmosphere than none at all, even if the crowd are hostile.

European games ultimately come under UEFA juristiction so what is an independent tribunal doing here? Normally, these hearings include UEFA officials as well as legal people who uphold the rules and laws of the game and of course dish out punishments. So my question is does this mean that in effect this is UEFA appealing to itself which would be absurd or is it an admittance that it has appointed an independent tribunal which it a little too independent?

All very odd this one. Can anyone sort it out?

UEFA is indeed appealing against a decision made by its own disciplinary panel, much in the same way that the FIA has appealed against the decisions made by it's F1 stewards. I don't think it's that absurd a situation, if the defendent has right of an appeal, surely so must the prosecution.

rotterdam aint that bad. i lived in holland for over 2 years and well, i always liked rotterdam. sure, the centre is an homage to all things built in the 60s but the city was bombed like no other during WW2. anyway, i'm from harlow so i like concrete shi*holes.

as for the game, i know there's a history of violence between our fans but if uefa were to play the game behind closed doors then BOTH teams would suffer because of no atmosphere. which is frankly not fair.

why dont they just take feyenoord's share of the gate receipts? that punishes them and ONLY them and gives our fans to see a game is what is still an impressive stadium that holds well over 60,000.

i hope UEFA make the right decision. not sure they will though.

why should Spurs fans be denied the opportunity to see the match if they should want to? Should make tickets available only through Spurs ticket office, then it is up to the club (THFC) to ensure correct distribution. How many do you think we could sell?

Basically the powers that be can see that this fixture has history and could potentially kick off. This is a way of stopping that potential through seemingly legitimate punishment.

It's a tricky one this, I fear there may be trouble if the game goes ahead as normal. Then again, an empty ground could give a freak result, which might go against us.

Perhaps best for us would be a neutral ground, though again there could be trouble as presumably both sets of fans would travel.

I think this tie is the worst draw we could have got after all our hard work to finish top of the group. sometimes life just ain't fair.

I don't agree with playing matches behind closed doors, at the end of the day the only people who suffer are the true supporters and the clubs themselves.

I beblieve the best outcome would play the away game at White Hart Lane, then we can have all Spurs Fans. what is the point of having a closed matched when Spurs Supporters have done nothing wrong.

I think that would have been Werder Bremen, a vastly better side than Feyenoord.

VERY BOLD WORDS MY FRIEND!!!!! NOT MENTIONING WARSAW, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW OTHERS, THAT SUFFERED A BIT MORE THAN POOR OLD ROTTERDAM. I'M NOT TOO TOUCHY, BUT IT IS A SENSITIVE TOPIC, ESPECIALLY FOR US POLES.

I know this is a cat amongst the pigeons, but in terms of percentage of buildings left damaged or unusable, i think Berlin came out worst from the bombing... well over 90% of its area was left severely damaged or worse.
Plus there was a city that was firebombed and i think pretty much completely destroyed in Germany...Dresden? Similar thing happened to an English city whose name eludes me.

Ps- I'm not German

I think Dresden was the worst affected of all - exacerbated by the fact that it wasn't a military target in any way.

I think not David, we finished top of the group so couldn't draw Werder at that stage of the draw. Please read my original post again, thanks :grin:

I'm no expert, but presumably the whole point of playing behind closed doors, is to try and discourage Spurs fans from travelling as well as punishing the home club.

I think their priority is (rightly so IMO) the safety of the fans/general public first and the punishment of the club second. Of course it punishes Spurs fans unfairly, but it's for their safety too.

seems like you cant make a throwaway statement on these things anymore without someone correcting you. oh well, guess i´d better get used to it. like the guy who said that the longer mido stayed injured the better and was lynched by virtually all. heck, i used to fervently wish jason dozzell would suddenly retire due to a mystery illness that wasn´t life threatening but stopped him from playing football.

and sebo, i lived in olsztyn and was in warsaw every week and have seen what effect the bombs had there too.

of course there might be trouble at this game. but there MIGHT be trouble at any game. for uefa to take this into consideration would be bloody unfair. anyway, feyenoord started selling tickets yesterday so they must think there wont be a problem.

or, they could say that only Spurs fans could buy tickets through the club. can you imagine how many would go if there were no limits? that´d be great.