Spurs close to completing the signing of Newcastle’s Perez

[Freddie]

They did chuckle about Sissoko too. Look how that's turned out. When a player is bought, it is his ability at the time, but also his potential. If Poch sees potential, he will forge another Sissoko. We haven't had many flops aquired during his tenure. I mean proper flops, not players who simply reached their ceiling while the team has progressed (Trips, sadly)

It's the standard fee for players in this bracket in this league. You shouldn't compare transfer fees of Prem club to clubs abroad because Prem clubs have more money so players being bought by a Premier League basef team will always be expensive, for example Chelsea bought Pulisic for £50m compared to Dortmund buying Hazard and Brandt for half the price.

I read somewhere that Perez is one of the best presses off the ball in the league and he has excellent defensive attributes if that's the case you can see why Poch likes him, clearly improving as a player as well so I'm fully on board with the if Poch thinks he can do a job then I'm all for it because the guy hash turns water into wine and proved me wrong nuemorous times - Sissoko being the best example.

IF we sign him, I'll have faith in Poch to improve him, but until then we all have our thoughts on who is and is not good enough. I just don't much like him is all I'm saying, for what little it's worth! Also have to pour slightly cold water on the Poch is God thing...Poch signed Sissoko and yet seemed to have given up on him after 2 years. We were without Dembele, Wanyama, Dier and Winks for parts of this season and only then did he get a proper run. It's not the case that this was Poch's masterplan all along. He'd probably have commissioned his sale last summer given an option.

 

[Freddie]

Why would they want to upgrade on their top scorer?

Because they watch him play.

 

[Shadydan]

Because they watch him play.

Compelling evidence that.

 

[Shadydan]

IF we sign him, I'll have faith in Poch to improve him, but until then we all have our thoughts on who is and is not good enough. I just don't much like him is all I'm saying, for what little it's worth! Also have to pour slightly cold water on the Poch is God thing...Poch signed Sissoko and yet seemed to have given up on him after 2 years. We were without Dembele, Wanyama, Dier and Winks for parts of this season and only then did he get a proper run. It's not the case that this was Poch's masterplan all along. He'd probably have commissioned his sale last summer given an option.

Neither here nor there really, it just solidifies my point about Poch doing what he does best.

The point regarding Sissoko is that he turned him into from an average player who couldn't hold down a first team place due to inconsistency and lack of confidence to the player who he is now. If you're using the same argument with Perez saying he's not good enough then you only have to look at players like Sissoko who were in the same boat.

 

[Freddie]

Compelling evidence that.

Football is more than stats. And using stats of attacking players in very defensive sides when considering them for teams who are constantly looking to unlock defenses is of limited use.

 

[Freddie]

Neither here nor there really, it just solidifies my point about Poch doing what he does best.

The point regarding Sissoko is that he turned him into from an average player who couldn't hold down a first team place due to inconsistency and lack of confidence to the player who he is now. If you're using the same argument with Perez saying he's not good enough then you only have to look at players like Sissoko who were in the same boat.

He was a player presumably signed with the manager's blessing for a big fee and he wasn't used well. The inconsistency and lack of confidence was partly the manager's fault. You can't praise him for fixing problem's that he helped to cause. Anyway, agree to disagree. I don't see a much higher ceiling for Perez than his current level.

 

[Shadydan]

Football is more than stats. And using stats of attacking players in very defensive sides when considering them for teams who are constantly looking to unlock defenses is of limited use.

Tell that to the manager if we do end up buying him, I'm sure he has a team of data analysts and scouts look at every aspect of of his abilities and what he can and can't do. I'm just saying that attacking players with high defensive attributes goes hand in hand with his philosophy so it wouldn't surprise me if he were interested.

 

[John48]

Understudy to Son at best!

 

[Shadydan]

He was a player presumably signed with the manager's blessing for a big fee and he wasn't used well. The inconsistency and lack of confidence was partly the manager's fault. You can't praise him for fixing problem's that he helped to cause. Anyway, agree to disagree. I don't see a much higher ceiling for Perez than his current level.

Well yes it maybe have been partly Poch's fault by playing him out of position but it's as much as down to the player as well. You're speaking as if Sissoko was playing at the peak of his powers before he came to Spurs and Poch killed his confidence, that's wrong. He has never played at this level consistently in his entire career so Poch should be praised for getting that out of him.

 

[JAYSTAR]

I have always liked Lamela. He works hard and gets back into defence, but he is so often injured and he doesn't score enough goals. Perez also works hard and does score goals and would be a good replacement for a reasonable price, that's if the rumours are borne out.

He also runs quicker and looks less like a deer when he does, which would be another bonus.

 

[frost14]

20-30 million is a massive amount. No one is throwing this about on bench options unless you're City (some teams have signed badly and those players end up on the bench). Furthermore, 20-30 million is an even bigger amount to teams outside the premier league. Dortmund have just signed Julian Brandt and Thorgan Hazard for around 25 million each! Ridiculous to splurge that on Ayoze Perez.

Well, Shadydan said it perfectly. It's impossible to compare the two markets. And Imho that's a decent price for his ability to play in the premier league.

 

[Hakkz]

Understudy to Son at best!

He's one year younger than Son. Not much of an understudy.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Also have to pour slightly cold water on the Poch is God thing...Poch signed Sissoko and yet seemed to have given up on him after 2 years. We were without Dembele, Wanyama, Dier and Winks for parts of this season and only then did he get a proper run. It's not the case that this was Poch's masterplan all along. He'd probably have commissioned his sale last summer given an option.

Absolute poppycock. Poch was the one who continually picked Sissoko when the whole world was screaming for him to be dropped, sold, publicly flogged & sent to the gallows. He (Poch) made countless public statements about why he kept selecting Sissoko, and made it abundantly clear that he'd continue to select Sissoko despite the public outcry.

You're changing history to suit your opinion.

 

[Freddie]

Absolute poppycock. Poch was the one who continually picked Sissoko when the whole world was screaming for him to be dropped, sold, publicly flogged & sent to the gallows. He (Poch) made countless public statements about why he kept selecting Sissoko, and made it abundantly clear that he'd continue to select Sissoko despite the public outcry.

You're changing history to suit your opinion.

He was picked occasionally when players were knackered and was terrible most times. Any manager would defend their player in public, especially one whose problem isn't a lack of effort but rather a confidence one. Not entirely what you think my opinion is. Do you think I hate Poch?!

 

[Gareth88]

Nah I’m okay

 

[teedee]

Why would they want to upgrade on their top scorer?

Especially one who is able to score in a below average team that plays so defensively.

 

[teedee]

He was picked occasionally when players were knackered and was terrible most times. Any manager would defend their player in public, especially one whose problem isn't a lack of effort but rather a confidence one. Not entirely what you think my opinion is. Do you think I hate Poch?!

In the past I have been a critic of Sissoko, whose performances in his first two season were pretty grim, but in fairness he has made 124 appearances for Spurs in 3 seasons, an average of 41 apps per season, hardly only occasional appearances. There is no question that he has played extremely well throughout this latter season and I look forward to seeing more of the same from him next season with a few goals thrown in for good measure.