Spurs fan banned from matches for four years for banana throw

[Archibald&Crooks]

Presumably the reason it seems harsh is because it was a relatively harmless object being thrown (if you ignore the obvious connotations of a banana, being hit by one isn't likely to injure someone) but presumably they don't have all kinds of different punishments depending on the merits of each object because it's easier to just have a blanket ban or categories of ban. Otherwise where do you draw the line in terms of which is more dangerous an apple or an orange, a coke bottle or a coke can etc.

We'll soon find out when the catch the idiot who threw that water bottle at Dele last night. I remember in the 80's darts were being thrown at players, do that shit today and you'd probably go down.

 

[guiltyparty]

If you’re someone who loses it at football to the extent you can’t contemplate that throwing a banana skin on to the pitch could be misconstrued, or is a terribly ill-judged thing to do in front of a child, you need a word with yourself

I find this story doubtful at best and if somehow true, truly idiotic. “Oh those naughty Arsenal players were provoking us.” We literally have a team full of shithouses, and I love it - we can’t hide behind this now, our players absolutely love winding up the opposition fans

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

No surprises that it has polarized opinion in terms of the punishment. But I don't think 4 years is overly harsh. Clubs and authorities have to be seen to take a 0 tolerance approach. Here's hoping the dick head at the Emirates gets a lot worse.

 

[guiltyparty]

No surprises that it has polarized opinion in terms of the punishment. But I don't think 4 years is overly harsh. Clubs and authorities have to be seen to take a 0 tolerance approach. Here's hoping the dick head at the Emirates gets a lot worse.

You throw something at a player, you should be banned for life. There's absolutely no excuse for it, it is neanderthal behaviour and would not be accepted in any other place.

I actually think differentiating between whether something is racist or not, while important for Kick It Out campaign and wider profile raising, shouldn't bog the process down.

The guy who threw the bottle at Dele should be banned for life today – the idea that a banana skin thrown in the vague direction of a player is comparable to a full water bottle or a coin actually striking a player is absurd to me. So just make it a standard punishment as people will stop. All this 'whataboutery' is a waste of fucking time

 

[SUIYHA]

You throw something at a player, you should be banned for life. There's absolutely no excuse for it, it is neanderthal behaviour and would not be accepted in any other place.

I actually think differentiating between whether something is racist or not, while important for Kick It Out campaign and wider profile raising, shouldn't bog the process down.

The guy who threw the bottle at Dele should be banned for life today – the idea that a banana skin thrown in the vague direction of a player is comparable to a full water bottle or a coin actually striking a player is absurd to me. So just make it a standard punishment as people will stop. All this 'whataboutery' is a waste of fucking time

Almost completely agree. I do think leopards can change their spots though, so I'd probably make it a 10 year ban, just to give them time to reform as a character. By the end of that point they'll have lost their season ticket it'll be a pain in the arse to actually get a ticket in the first place so unlikely they'll come back, but just a thought.

Glad to see Dele reacting the way he did and not like this:

 

[guiltyparty]

Almost completely agree. I do think leopards can change their spots though, so I'd probably make it a 10 year ban, just to give them time to reform as a character. By the end of that point they'll have lost their season ticket it'll be a pain in the arse to actually get a ticket in the first place so unlikely they'll come back, but just a thought.

Glad to see Dele reacting the way he did and not like this:

Oh my god. Just don't know how people even entertain this cobblers. I couldn't give a shit how good you are at football, Suarez you are a massive pussy and I hate you more than most players you massive fraud

 

[jonnyp]

Almost completely agree. I do think leopards can change their spots though, so I'd probably make it a 10 year ban, just to give them time to reform as a character. By the end of that point they'll have lost their season ticket it'll be a pain in the arse to actually get a ticket in the first place so unlikely they'll come back, but just a thought.

Glad to see Dele reacting the way he did and not like this:

Hahaha

 

[southlondonyiddo]

If you’re someone who loses it at football to the extent you can’t contemplate that throwing a banana skin on to the pitch could be misconstrued, or is a terribly ill-judged thing to do in front of a child, you need a word with yourself

I find this story doubtful at best and if somehow true, truly idiotic. “Oh those naughty Arsenal players were provoking us.” We literally have a team full of shithouses, and I love it - we can’t hide behind this now, our players absolutely love winding up the opposition fans

They are starting to remind me of the way Terry, Lampard & Cole used to celebrate at WHL.

Hopefully they have the same success...

 

[ralvy]

Honestly guy does not have enough Common sense to know that you might not want to throw anything in the direction of a player.

Much less a black player.

You don't throw anything period.

Black privilege?

 

[punkisback]

Black privilege?

Idiot, it's called hundreds of years of racism.

 

[guiltyparty]

Idiot, it's called hundreds of years of racism.

Indeed. Like ANYONE who goes to football doesn't know the connotations, especially a bloke in his 50s or 60s.

I know some people on here know the guy, but sorry, not buying it at all. The whole "oh I just grabbed a banana skin off a kid" bit… yeah chinny reckon

 

[ralvy]

Idiot, it's called hundreds of years of racism.

Yeah but, does that means it's more acceptable aiming projectiles at white people than black people?

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Almost completely agree. I do think leopards can change their spots though, so I'd probably make it a 10 year ban, just to give them time to reform as a character. By the end of that point they'll have lost their season ticket it'll be a pain in the arse to actually get a ticket in the first place so unlikely they'll come back, but just a thought.

Glad to see Dele reacting the way he did and not like this:

Touched by God? The perv

 

[vegassd]

I guess they could do it by incident the same as any incident involving a player. If that is the case they would need to change the punishment to be months and not years. Say 12 months if someone threw a non threatening object in the heat of the moment. Maybe 18 months if it was more threatening object etc. Throw a grenade then a lifetime ban and imprisonment.

I can't see there being a need for any sort of subjective scale of "dangerousness" that determines the ban length. You throw something, you get banned, end of.

Otherwise you're getting into the territory of somebody throwing a full bottle getting a longer ban than somebody throwing an empty bottle. If the bottle is half full do you get a ban in between those two lengths? Does a banana skin get less than a whole banana? It's a faff that nobody needs.

If you then have a published list of projectiles and their ban times that system is going to get abused. The 18 year old lad heading off to Uni might know that they won't have the money to go to games for three years... so they can happily throw a carton of Ribena at Paul Pogba and not really suffer.

Case-by-case sentencing makes sense when it comes to something like a prison sentence because that is affecting every aspect of your life and your family's, and is a cost to the taxpayer on top. But somebody being banned from attending football games (which is next to impossible to enforce anyway) is nothing in comparison.

 

[Saoirse]

Yeah but, does that means it's more acceptable aiming projectiles at white people than black people?

This really shouldn't need spelling out. But throwing a banana at a black person is worse because it carries the connotation that they are like monkeys. And that is the seem racist belief which was used to justify hundreds of years of sub-human treatment, slavery, colonialism, and still to this day racial inequality.

 

[ralvy]

This really shouldn't need spelling out. But throwing a banana at a black person is worse because it carries the connotation that they are like monkeys. And that is the seem racist belief which was used to justify hundreds of years of sub-human treatment, slavery, colonialism, and still to this day racial inequality.

Look, I understand that, but the post I was quoting didn't say anything about throwing bananas, he said throwing anything:

"Honestly guy does not have enough Common sense to know that you might not want to throw anything in the direction of a player.

Much less a black player."

So, is throwing any object at a black person worse than throwing it at a white person?

 

[mano-obe]

I think the press like to make the connotation of bananas and black people. If anything that seems more racist to me. Id much prefer if they said a missile was thrown

 

[Geyzer Soze]

So are we more concerned by a banana skin being thrown in the general direction of Aubamayang than we are a bottle actually hitting Dele Ali?

The stocks and stones things really being turned on it’s head here hey

Sticks & Stones’ll Break my bones but it’s words which really harm me

New rhyme for 2018 ?

 

[parj]

Should be a life time ban. Send a real message

 

[riggi]

Blimey, this thread still going on?!