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Spurs fan banned from matches for four years for banana throw

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JCRD

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Even if it wasnt racist - STOP THROWING SHIT - it genuinely isnt difficult to understand.
 

SpaggyBoy

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I'm a little bit baffled as to why people are sticking up for this racist moron. Are some people really suggesting that there are mitigating circumstances because he happens to enjoy watching the same football team? The pictures of a banana skin laying on the turf were beamed around the world and this guy has shamed our club by his actions.

Fuck him, and fuck anyone who tries to justify this type of behaviour.
 

worcestersauce

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I'm a little bit baffled as to why people are sticking up for this racist moron. Are some people really suggesting that there are mitigating circumstances because he happens to enjoy watching the same football team? The pictures of a banana skin laying on the turf were beamed around the world and this guy has shamed our club by his actions.

Fuck him, and fuck anyone who tries to justify this type of behaviour.
That's the spirit, spoken like a social warrior.
 

freeeki

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This narrow minded way of thinking is one of the many reasons why racism is so hard to eradicate

There is a strange collective mindset taking hold in Britain at the moment, where we've convinced ourselves that we as a nation are the most racist, homophobic, sexist and bigoted nation on the planet, and so someone with a foreign-sounding name must be a non-racist because he doesn't sound British.

Which, in itself, is sanctimonious at best.

Really fucking weird tbh.
 

Blake Griffin

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how is such a ban actually enforced? i guess if he buys a ticket online under his real name then it might get flagged but otherwise i doubt he'd have much trouble getting into a game.
 

Stavrogin

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There is a strange collective mindset taking hold in Britain at the moment, where we've convinced ourselves that we as a nation are the most racist, homophobic, sexist and bigoted nation on the planet, and so someone with a foreign-sounding name must be a non-racist because he doesn't sound British.

Which, in itself, is sanctimonious at best.

Really fucking weird tbh.

I don't think that's quite right. I think you're conflating various opposing pathologies in the culture.

Tottenhamattspur's statement might be wrong (ie. that a cypriot may have been a racist supporter in the 80s, and that they may have thrown someone elses banana skin in those days too etc.) but I don't think its unreasonable to think that this doesn't fit the type and give more creedence to his protestations of innocence.
 

TheSpillage

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He's an idiot but how can the court know for a fact and decide that it was a racist act just from that incident alone? The UK judicial system really needs an overhaul. People are getting tried and convicted for twitter remarks, youtube videos etc. It's proper 1984 scary.

‘1984 scary’ is the idea of an omnipotent government using censorship and surveillance to control and submit a population to its sinister will.

This was a government using CCTV to catch knobheads throwing bananas at black men, or any objects at anyone if you prefer.

I get tired of hearing Big Brother being wheeled out in these instances.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I just assumed rightly or wrongly, that the guy had likely suffered racism himself.
It's obviously not impossible to be racist if you're not white. It's far less likely though, especially if you yourself have suffered as a result of it.

The fact someone has given a first half account of what happens and confirmed the chap is a middle aged Cypriot who's not racist and has been believed by the police and the club, means my comments were fairly accurate.
 

Bulletspur

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I don't think that's quite right. I think you're conflating various opposing pathologies in the culture.

Tottenhamattspur's statement might be wrong (ie. that a cypriot may have been a racist supporter in the 80s, and that they may have thrown someone elses banana skin in those days too etc.) but I don't think its unreasonable to think that this doesn't fit the type and give more creedence to his protestations of innocence.
You just argued my case for me, I am done
 

dontcallme

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I just assumed rightly or wrongly, that the guy had likely suffered racism himself.
It's obviously not impossible to be racist if you're not white. It's far less likely though, especially if you yourself have suffered as a result of it.

The fact someone has given a first half account of what happens and confirmed the chap is a middle aged Cypriot who's not racist and has been believed by the police and the club, means my comments were fairly accurate.

Not really. Often people suffering at the hands of bigotry can create ill feeling and bigotry themselves.

Arguing that people from different races are less likely to be racist is really off point.

He has gone to court and been found guilty of a racist act. Surely that is more evidence than his surname.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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He has gone to court and been found guilty of a racist act.
No, he hasn't. He was found guilty of throwing a missile an act which was found to have a racial element but strictly speaking he's been found guilty of throwing a missile. The racial element (which he denies) cost him £100 on top, basically, for being so unthinkingly stupid

Panteli was handed a four-year football banning order after pleading guilty to throwing a missile.

He was also fined £500, which includes a £100 uplift for the racial element, and told to pay £135 in costs.

After being identified on CCTV and detained by a steward Mr Panteli said: "It wasn't a racial thing it just happened", the court heard.

Leila Rasool, mitigating, said Panteli had been going to Tottenham games for 50 years without incident and he was of "exemplary character".

She told the court: "He has not been charged for any racially aggravated public order offence.

"He was arrested for that but no action has been taken in respect of that matter. Police directly told Mr Panteli they accepted his account and didn't think there was a racial element."
 

dontcallme

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No, he hasn't. He was found guilty of throwing a missile an act which was found to have a racial element but strictly speaking he's been found guilty of throwing a missile. The racial element (which he denies) cost him £100 on top, basically, for being so unthinkingly stupid

Panteli was handed a four-year football banning order after pleading guilty to throwing a missile.

He was also fined £500, which includes a £100 uplift for the racial element, and told to pay £135 in costs.

After being identified on CCTV and detained by a steward Mr Panteli said: "It wasn't a racial thing it just happened", the court heard.

Leila Rasool, mitigating, said Panteli had been going to Tottenham games for 50 years without incident and he was of "exemplary character".

She told the court: "He has not been charged for any racially aggravated public order offence.

"He was arrested for that but no action has been taken in respect of that matter. Police directly told Mr Panteli they accepted his account and didn't think there was a racial element."

Fair dos but a court has still judged his action had a racist element after hearing the evidence which I still maintain is better evidence than he has a foreign surname so can’t be a racist.
 

KILLA_SIN

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The guy probably isn't racist but red mist or no mist he knew what he was doing when he threw the banana skin, he knew what it meant, I bet he thought he was really, really funny.
 

ralvy

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To be honest it's hardly a stretch thinking a player throwing a banana at a player is with racist intentions. He may or may not be a racist, but at the end of the day, picking up and throwing anything at a player is stupid and reckless, but a banana, utterly deplorable. The bloke deserves a 4 year ban just for being so thick and idiotic.

Do we expect the courts to take his word for it that throwing a banana at a group of players containing black players was just an innocent non racist mistake?

I don't understand, why is throwing something at football players worse if it's motivated by racist intentions? You really think it would be worse throwing a banana to a player than, say, a rock or a knife if the later have no racist connotations?

For what is worth, I think any fan throwing things at the pitch or players should be banned from entering football stadiums, but to me it's always a mistake to attempt to rule or legislate over people emotions or motivations, their actions should be the only thing that matters IMO. A crime shouldn't be deemed worse just because it was racist or hateful.
 

newbie

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It's a banana skin and there was a black player.
2+2 = 28

Who takes a banana to a game? Come on he can’t be that stupid what if someone slipped on it?

As much as I would like to give benefit of the doubt I think it’s a bit dubious he didn’t know!
 
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