Spurs fan banned from matches for four years for banana throw

[Maxtremist]

The ban sucks. It's so not enough. I think we all can seemingly agree on that one.

As for the act itself? Yeah... it was racist. Like, let's stop trying to defend it. It's a racist act.
Does it mean the guy who did it is racist and acts racist every single day of his life? No. But that single act was racist/has so many racist connotations attached to it. So just in general throwing shit at players shouldn't be a thing. Throwing banana skins at black players should DEFINITELY not be a thing.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

The ban sucks. It's so not enough. I think we all can seemingly agree on that one.

As for the act itself? Yeah... it was racist. Like, let's stop trying to defend it. It's a racist act.
Does it mean the guy who did it is racist and acts racist every single day of his life? No. But that single act was racist/has so many racist connotations attached to it. So just in general throwing shit at players shouldn't be a thing. Throwing banana skins at black players should DEFINITELY not be a thing.

Have you read the first hand account of what happned?
He didn't bring the banana. He wasn't aiming it at Aubameyang and, as far as I know, didn't hit him with it either.

 

[dontcallme]

Because in 2018, there's more idiots than there are genuine racists*

*The sort that would actually take a banana to a football match to deliberately throw at a black player rather than mindless idiots who say silly things (Chelsea fans)

If he was that much of a racist, why is he even at a football match? Is there any team in the country he could support that only has white English players?

You are questioning if racists go to football matches, really?

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Fair dos but a court has still judged his action had a racist element after hearing the evidence which I still maintain is better evidence than he has a foreign surname so can’t be a racist.

Judged on the fact that the photos published by the media showed a banana skin on the floor in front of Aubamayang.
Like a lot of things, it actually boils down to context. The comment by someone who was present when the incident occurred suggested that the banana was actually thrown at Bellerin as he was the one inciting our fans. Unfortunately no-one can prove this, so it was very much trial by media because of where the banana skin ended up.

If you want proof how much the media can control our thoughts/opinions - let's go back to that infamous Mark Duggan photo, which was cropped to remove the gravestone etc. and make him look even more of a thug.

That being said, this bloke was a prick for throwing an object of any sort.
Mind you, we've yet to see anyone prosecuted for launching a paper plane from the upper tier!

 

[dontcallme]

Judged on the fact that the photos published by the media showed a banana skin on the floor in front of Aubamayang.
Like a lot of things, it actually boils down to context. The comment by someone who was present when the incident occurred suggested that the banana was actually thrown at Bellerin as he was the one inciting our fans. Unfortunately no-one can prove this, so it was very much trial by media because of where the banana skin ended up.

If you want proof how much the media can control our thoughts/opinions - let's go back to that infamous Mark Duggan photo, which was cropped to remove the gravestone etc. and make him look even more of a thug.

That being said, this bloke was a prick for throwing an object of any sort.
Mind you, we've yet to see anyone prosecuted for launching a paper plane from the upper tier!

Oh - and it was unacceptable for Dier to celebrate his goal in front of Arsenal fans (yellow card), but fine for Arsenal players to celebrate their goal in front of our fans!??! Double standard officiating!

Sorry but this isn’t coming from the media.

It was the court’s findings. Whether correct or not I do not know but what I was discussing was not the fault of the media.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

If you want proof how much the media can control our thoughts/opinions - let's go back to that infamous Mark Duggan photo, which was cropped to remove the gravestone etc. and make him look even more of a thug.

I didn't know what this was about, but when I looked it up, it proved a great example!

News Picture

Actual Picture

 

[dontcallme]

I didn't know what this was about, but when I looked it up, it proved a great example!

Yep because of fake news we can just dismiss findings from court proceedings. Lets just hope people in power don't use fake news to dismiss anything they don't like to push their agenda.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Yep because of fake news we can just dismiss findings from court proceedings. Lets just hope people in power don't use fake news to dismiss anything they don't like to push their agenda.

I'm genuinely not sure what your point is, or if that's some kind pop my way?

 

['O Zio]

Oh - and it was unacceptable for Dier to celebrate his goal in front of Arsenal fans (yellow card), but fine for Arsenal players to celebrate their goal in front of our fans!??! Double standard officiating!

Sorry mate but this has absolutely fuck all to do with referees/officiating the match. It's a criminal investigation and subsequent trial in a court of law. Whether or not the ref was any good during the game is completely and utterly irrelevant.

 

[dontcallme]

I'm genuinely not sure what your point is, or if that's some kind pop my way?

It was a pop. The media does use lots of poor tactics to create stories. But this cannot be used as a defualt for every situation.

A court studied the facts of a case and came to a conclusion that there was a racial element to the offence. Whether it was or not I do not know but blaming the media in a case where the media is not relevant is off base.

It is a tactic used to blur the case rather than look at the facts.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Sorry but this isn’t coming from the media.

It was the court’s findings. Whether correct or not I do not know but what I was discussing was not the fault of the media.

If the media didn't run the photos there would have been no charges or court case.
Here's a "what if scenario" for that incident:
What if the banana skin was thrown at Bellerin, because he's a ***, hit him in the face and then ended up on the floor. No intent for it to be aimed at a black player. Photographers fail to capture the first part but see banana skin on the floor by Aubameyang's feet - perfect photo opportunity.

Presumably in court there was a lack of evidence to support it being a fully racially motivated incident, hence not being charged/convicted of a racist act, only an increased fine because it could potentially be interpreted as being racist.

Arsenal didn't ask the police to investigate, neither did Aubameyang. It was instigated, just like the Chelsea incident by social media and the media itself.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Sorry mate but this has absolutely fuck all to do with referees/officiating the match. It's a criminal investigation and subsequent trial in a court of law. Whether or not the ref was any good during the game is completely and utterly irrelevant.

I'll remove that bit as it wasn't actually posted directly in relation to the banana incident, just highlighting the inconsistency around something that instigated the banana incident.

 

[dontcallme]

If the media didn't run the photos there would have been no charges or court case.
Arsenal didn't ask the police to investigate, neither did Aubameyang. It was instigated, just like the Chelsea incident by social media and the media itself.

Well as no one has said the photos are fake I don't see the relevance.

A man threw an object at a footballer player at a football game. He got punished for it and hasn't denied he did it.

So bringing the media into it in this case is trying to move the goalposts away from the subject.

 

[HertsYid]

Chuck shit, get banned......

end of!

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Well as no one has said the photos are fake I don't see the relevance.

A man threw an object at a footballer player at a football game. He got punished for it and hasn't denied he did it.

So bringing the media into it in this case is trying to move the goalposts away from the subject.

I'm not discussing the fact he threw the object, I'm discussing the "he's a racist" part.

 

[mil1lion]

4 years seems too strong for a first time offence. It should be a year for the 1st offence, 4/5 for a 2nd and lifetime for a 3rd. They do similar sort of punishments in UFC for failed drugs tests. I think fans need to be punished fairly to give them a chance to learn. I would give them 1 year and then make them attend anger management.

People make mistakes and it's important to correct them early. If you punish them too hard they'll possibly become worse because of it. I feel the same about any racist chants etc as well. Give them a 1 year ban, but check them into therapy and teach them to get out of that mindset. Let them return in 1 year to see if they are better. If it happens again they need more help. A longer ban and more therapy, possibly community service as well. Just something more firm than the last time. Final chance after the 2nd punishment, if they still haven't learned then there's no fixing them and a lifetime ban is the only option. There could even be case at that point for a prison sentence.

 

[dontcallme]

I'm not discussing the fact he threw the object, I'm discussing the "he's a racist" part.

But all the media did as far as court proceedings were concerned was provide a photo of him throwing a banana skin at a player. This has not been,

As that has not been denied I fail to see how blaming the media in this case is justified.

They're a nice scapegoat as they are so often the cause of issues they create for themselves and others. But we should be careful not to just become lazy and blame them in every case by default.

 

[dontcallme]

4 years seems too strong for a first time offence. It should be a year for the 1st offence, 4/5 for a 2nd and lifetime for a 3rd. They do similar sort of punishments in UFC for failed drugs tests. I think fans need to be punished fairly to give them a chance to learn. I would give them 1 year and then make them attend anger management.

People make mistakes and it's important to correct them early. If you punish them too hard they'll possibly become worse because of it. I feel the same about any racist chants etc as well. Give them a 1 year ban, but check them into therapy and teach them to get out of that mindset. Let them return in 1 year to see if they are better. If it happens again they need more help. A longer ban and more therapy, possibly community service as well. Just something more firm than the last time. Final chance after the 2nd punishment, if they still haven't learned then there's no fixing them and a lifetime ban is the only option. There could even be case at that point for a prison sentence.

I am sure I read a fan got fined 3 years the same game for throwing a plastic bottle at a player. Interesting to know if that was his first offence.

 

[dontcallme]

Chuck shit, get banned......

end of!

No. Chuck shit, blame the media despite the fact you did it then complain about getting banned.

 

[EastLondonYid]

They don't sell bananas at football matches. No one associates eating bananas with match days. Why would someone bring a banana into the stadium, if not for the exact purpose of racial abuse?

Read the facts before assuming shit.

The judge said he accepts the banana was brought in and ate by a kid sat near him.....ffs.

This has been done now.. ....he deserves a ban , hes an idiot, but it wasn't racism can we stop this shit.