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lifeof...

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After Spurs' stunning achievements this season, surely the club's board must consider rewarding the League Cup-winning squad with the chance to get away early to the world's finest beaches before the summer rush.

What else is there to play for after all? There is silverware in the trophy cabinet and relegation should be comfortably avoided. Six league games are left - so maybe it would be a good time to give some peripheral and young players the chance to cut their teeth while giving the senior men a well-earned rest for their weary limbs?

And perhaps Gus Poyet would let them go with his blessing? It would save him having to face yet more post-match embarrassment as he tries to explain away his side's fecklessness and cover the management's inability to correct it.

The Spurs players should be ashamed of themselves. The League Cup win aside, their season has been a shambles. They have simply not performed to expectations - whether under new man Ramos or Martin Jol. They also fell in the last eight of an eminently-winnable UEFA Cup and in the early stages of the FA Cup (okay, it was at Man United - but then Pompey won at Old Trafford, so...).

Even the League Cup win has to be taken in some context. Beating Arsenal's reserves was only really notable because in the previous season at the same stage, Spurs could not. Beating Chelsea is their only really stand-out result - the more so when you consider results in their totality.

Spurs fans should be hoping that many of these players get their just deserts. You would think that players who believe that they can be something in the game would be professional enough to play on to the end of a season (even to the final whistle) and attempt to impress what is still a relatively new management team?

You might also hope that the players would consider the fans who pay their hard-earned cash on season tickets and expensive away days. You might think they would try and reward that support? But this is a forlorn hope I suppose, given what we know of the average 'professional' footballer these days.

If Ramos is the manager he was billed to be, then he will have earmarked for the door marked 'exit' those players who think that a League Cup win provides them with some kind of legendary status and the right to stroll about in a Spurs shirt cheating those who pay to watch them. Player reaction to that triumph has surely pinpointed for him those players who will not be up to the job of making Spurs a consistent top-six finisher, never mind somehow qualifying for the Champions League in future seasons.

It is a concern though that Ramos does not seem to fully command player respect. If he did, then surely results like Sunday's against Newcastle would be more of a surprise.

But judgement on Ramos should be reserved for the time being - out of fairness. He will get his first real chance to impose his will in the summer - when some of the Wembley heroes should find themselves plying their trade and shining their League Cup medals somewhere other than White Hart Lane.

Paul Little
 

lifeof...

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Don't really agree with it all, but gave me pause for thought
 

Evolution

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Thing is it was our dire start to the season that put us in this position and I didn't think for one second that Ramos would push us up top six this season in such a short space of working time.

We're mid table, safe with a trophy in the cabinet so Ramos has done ok so far imho. I'll also forgive him for the shambles on saturday as long as he and the players learnt something from it and I can swallow it till the remainder of the season in all honesty as long as he's really guaging what he wants from Spurs and where he wants to strengthen. Who's up to the task and who is not + formation tinkering with existing players.

I think he's already made it clear that this crop of Spurs players are currently playing for their shirts and I personally can't wait to see what he does in the transfer market this summer as well as who might be going :p
 

PYiddy

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After Spurs' stunning achievements this season, surely the club's board must consider rewarding the League Cup-winning squad with the chance to get away early to the world's finest beaches before the summer rush.

What else is there to play for after all? There is silverware in the trophy cabinet and relegation should be comfortably avoided. Six league games are left - so maybe it would be a good time to give some peripheral and young players the chance to cut their teeth while giving the senior men a well-earned rest for their weary limbs?

And perhaps Gus Poyet would let them go with his blessing? (1)It would save him having to face yet more post-match embarrassment as he tries to explain away his side's fecklessness and cover the management's inability to correct it.

The Spurs players should be ashamed of themselves. The League Cup win aside, their season has been a shambles. They have simply not performed to expectations - whether under new man Ramos or Martin Jol. (2)They also fell in the last eight of an eminently-winnable UEFA Cup and in the early stages of the FA Cup (okay, it was at Man United - but then Pompey won at Old Trafford, so...).

Even the League Cup win has to be taken in some context. (3)Beating Arsenal's reserves was only really notable because in the previous season at the same stage, Spurs could not. Beating Chelsea is their only really stand-out result - the more so when you consider results in their totality.

Spurs fans should be hoping that many of these players get their just deserts. You would think that players who believe that they can be something in the game would be professional enough to play on to the end of a season (even to the final whistle) and attempt to impress what is still a relatively new management team?

You might also hope that the players would consider the fans who pay their hard-earned cash on season tickets and expensive away days. You might think they would try and reward that support? But this is a forlorn hope I suppose, given what we know of the average 'professional' footballer these days.

(4)If Ramos is the manager he was billed to be, then he will have earmarked for the door marked 'exit' those players who think that a League Cup win provides them with some kind of legendary status and the right to stroll about in a Spurs shirt cheating those who pay to watch them. Player reaction to that triumph has surely pinpointed for him those players who will not be up to the job of making Spurs a consistent top-six finisher, never mind somehow qualifying for the Champions League in future seasons.

(5)It is a concern though that Ramos does not seem to fully command player respect. If he did, then surely results like Sunday's against Newcastle would be more of a surprise.

(6)But judgement on Ramos should be reserved for the time being - out of fairness. He will get his first real chance to impose his will in the summer - when some of the Wembley heroes should find themselves plying their trade and shining their League Cup medals somewhere other than White Hart Lane.

Paul Little

(1)oh so our managements substitutions and changing of systems havent been highly applauded since the change of regime?

(2)5th place everton couldn't go any further, and we beat pompey twice, who beat man u. So whats yr point?


(3) arsenal reserves? that one has been done to death, and being the first team to beat man city at their place this seasonwith 10 men wasn't a decent result then.

(4) how do u know he hasn't? whats he supposed to do? there is a fecking 4 week transfer window which he had to fix the major problem of the defence. and in fairness, that business won us a cup

(5) no it isnt

(6) how can u rip someone in an article then right at the end say to be fair you cannot judge him? highlights how pointless and inacurate the article is.

arse-gravy of the highest order
 

DC_Boy

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rubbish article - he should be writing for the press with his lack of insight
 

Johnspur

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It's from football 365, I wouldn't take it seriously. That place may aswell be called Arsenal365.
 

lifeof...

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I guess, with the exception of evolution, whos comments I agree with, I shouldn’t be to surprised by some of the “informed comments” :shrug:

For the record the points that gave me pause for thought are in bold. below

The Spurs players should be ashamed of themselves. The League Cup win aside, their season has been a shambles. They have simply not performed to expectations -

Spurs fans should be hoping that many of these players get their just deserts. You would think that players who believe that they can be something in the game would be professional enough to play on to the end of a season (even to the final whistle) and attempt to impress what is still a relatively new management team?

You might also hope that the players would consider the fans who pay their hard-earned cash on season tickets and expensive away days. You might think they would try and reward that support? But this is a forlorn hope I suppose, given what we know of the average 'professional' footballer these days.



For the last 3 seasons (inc this one) We have, pretty much all, been frustrated by what we see as been dropped points to the lower teams in the prem, where on many occasion the team has underperformed. Now Ramos himself is quoted as questioning the team players motivation in these “easier games” and I can’t blame him. IMO there is a fine line between success and failure and its things like attitude, motivation, commitment, that will see you sitting on the success side more times than not. Just for example, can any one, player for player say that Everton Squad of player is soooo much better than ours, I certainly Cannot.

For me The Newcastle game was a disgrace, for the players. I fully support Ramos decision in Trying, changing, experimenting, to his heart content now, it makes sense to me, If he wants to try a 1-9 formation, I don’t really care. Some will work some won’t But what I do care about is that the players should be 100% committed to trying to succeed.
 

guiltyparty

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I guess, with the exception of evolution, whos comments I agree with, I shouldn’t be to surprised by some of the “informed comments” :shrug:

I know you're trying to make some fair comments, bud, but you're basing them on a terrible article. It's like doing a A* dissertation on Kerry Katona: lacks credibility through association.

You'd be far better served just posting your thoughts, which are more informed than the knob jockey you're quoting.
 

lifeof...

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I know you're trying to make some fair comments, bud, but you're basing them on a terrible article. It's like doing a A* dissertation on Kerry Katona: lacks credibility through association.

You'd be far better served just posting your thoughts, which are more informed than the knob jockey you're quoting.

Obviously i didn't feel it was terrible, and i prefer to post other peoples work, uneditted..but point taken
 

DC_Boy

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hi lifeof

this paragraph

Even the League Cup win has to be taken in some context. Beating Arsenal's reserves was only really notable because in the previous season at the same stage, Spurs could not. Beating Chelsea is their only really stand-out result - the more so when you consider results in their totality

shows what complete rubbish this article is - and indeed may very well have been written by an arsenal fan or journalist -

how can any spurs fan write stuff like this - it's disgraceful stuff

in fact this 'is their only' actually heightens that suspicion - I write about Spurs as 'our club'

actually re-reading the article not only confirms my original view - it's starting to make my blood boil - so I'll leave it at that :)
 

Kendall

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the league cup is a fizzy pop cup trophy that nobody remembers 5 years down the line.

Middlesborough beat bolton in the final a few years back.
 

DC_Boy

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the league cup is a fizzy pop cup trophy that nobody remembers 5 years down the line.

Middlesborough beat bolton in the final a few years back.

here we go again Kendall :)

you're certainly not talking for me in this case - I leave others to give their opinion

I still remember vividly the pain of losing to AFC in 1968/9 season - ditto 86/87

I still vividly remember the joy and wonder of my first Spurs final - 100,000 at wembley beating Villa 2-0

I will never forget as long as my brain continues functioning the pure ecstacy of those three heroic ties - citeh afc & cfc this season

i was privilieged to be at the Lane for the 5-1 - it exorcised all those ghosts from nearly 40 years of lge cup failure against AFC -

the atmosphere was incredible - when was the last time a lge game generated such atmosphere at the Lane - when did the players celebrate so fully at the Lane -
I couldn't get to the final - why because demand was oversubscribed 3, 4 5, 6 times you try to guess - I don't know - the market price for a ticket was £500-£1000 - when was the last time lge tickets fetched that price at the Lane - answer - never

did you see the players celebrate at Wembley - when was the last time any of this current crop celebrated like that - answer - never

King Keane & Berbs were crowned legends that day - not just because of that day of course - but that was the cup that anointed them (in a secular way of course- though spurs are my religion)
 

DC_Boy

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Good spot. I suspected as much, but that basically confirms it.

:) GP - the author is either not a spurs fan - or one of those spurs fan that I could never be friends with - cos they're not real fans in my book (as ever fair play to the guy - he probably wouldn't like me either - I'm purely giving my opinion in a generalised way)

I like my 'spurs fans' to be passionately on our side - one of the many reasons I don't go to the Lane too much these days is you get a lot of fans like him there - you can imagine him or fans like him -

I'm going absolutely ballistic cos we're beating AFC and he's six rows back saying 'well it's only their reserves- maybe I'll clap a little at the end - but it's not very important is it - when are we playing champions league then - that's important
 
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