Spurs need stability Pochettino will bring, but players aren't keen on his tactics

[chico]

Just got back from the ground. Like the many fans I spoke to on the way home, I really enjoyed the game today. Not the finished article, for sure, but a step in the right direction.
I think the team upstairs, ie Levy and Baldini, let Poch down in the summer. Of last seasons top 7, our net spend was the lowest, we didn't get Welbeck or Schneiderlin. Outside of the magnificent Lloris I'm not sure many of our squad would get in a top CL side?
I think Poch is starting to do a fine job. ANY player not buying into his tactics and work ethic, feel free to languish in the stiffs until you can be shipped out in the next window or two.
Our club has been graced by some truly great players, who wore the shirt with pride, played for the shirt and the fans. You only have to listen to interviews with Perryman,Hoddle,Mabbutt, etc etc to hear the pride they feel having played here . I hate shirkers and takers.
ANY NON BELIEVERS PLEASE FVCK OFF AND CLOSE THE DOOR ON YOUR WAY OUT.

 

[dricha1]

Just got back from the ground. Like the many fans I spoke to on the way home, I really enjoyed the game today. Not the finished article, for sure, but a step in the right direction.
I think the team upstairs, ie Levy and Baldini, let Poch down in the summer. Of last seasons top 7, our net spend was the lowest, we didn't get Welbeck or Schneiderlin. Outside of the magnificent Lloris I'm not sure many of our squad would get in a top CL side?
I think Poch is starting to do a fine job. ANY player not buying into his tactics and work ethic, feel free to languish in the stiffs until you can be shipped out in the next window or two.
Our club has been graced by some truly great players, who wore the shirt with pride, played for the shirt and the fans. You only have to listen to interviews with Perryman,Hoddle,Mabbutt, etc etc to hear the pride they feel having played here . I hate shirkers and takers.
ANY NON BELIEVERS PLEASE FVCK OFF AND CLOSE THE DOOR ON YOUR WAY OUT.

This bit key IMO. Levy would have made his life a lot easier if he went all out for his new managers no1 choice. Doing this helps the new manager install his new philosophy cos he has a player who knows it on the pitch. Other managers have all had players they worked with before join them;

Rodgers got Allen, Martinez got Macarthy and a striker from Wigan (can't remember name) Van Gaal got Blind.....

Just feels our recent managers have all done the job with one hand tied behind their back...

 

[whitesocks]

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I think Poch is starting to do a fine job. ANY player not buying into his tactics and work ethic, feel free to languish in the stiffs until you can be shipped out in the next window or two....
ANY NON BELIEVERS PLEASE FVCK OFF AND CLOSE THE DOOR ON YOUR WAY OUT.

What if it's Eriksen who is complaining about the training? Or Lamela? Or Vertoghen?

These are footballers first, not athletes.
Moyes was supposedly guilty of over-training at ManU too. I rest my case.

 

[tototoner]

If the players know they can just stay around pick up a pay cheque whilst making the atmostphere for the new coach bad in the knowledge that they will outlast him and possibly play for a new manager, then we're doomed to repeat that cycle.

I would fully back a cull of our slackers and/or those with a bad attitude.

Otherwise you're not really giving the new man a chance are you?

Who would buy them for the price Levy would demand though

 

[theShiznit]

Who would buy them for the price Levy would demand though

That could provide a stumbling block... But If Levy really is willing to upset players and their agents then maybe loans to anyone willing to pay a decent loan fee and/or chunk of the wages could be a way of getting some cash and running down contracts. But for those with a few years left Levy will have to bite the bullet and take lower fees or shoulder a massive portion of the blame if another manager is outlived by some of our more mediocre players that are clearly not in Poch's plans.

 

[SpursMadDave]

I can see almost all of the 'cup team' being allowed to leave with the exception of the youngsters & new signings

 

[Fruendsreunited]

The players,the D.O.F and the manager are are very average. Lets be real, Loris is our only world class player. The keeper..Jesus wept.

Really? So as a top 5/6 team who have only ever played in the CL once, we have "one" World class player. Thats 1 more than any other comparible team in the Prem!

 

[Spurs 1961]

Watching from the sidelines Poch does look inflexible apparently suffering from the one system, one system only thing. I still question two DM players in every game...only one striker...not playing to some players strengths (i.e. is Paulinho really this bad? or the once free scoring Soldado? are we making the best use of Eriksen?)

Southampton certainly got great plaudits last season and did well but we beat them twice if I remember correctly when they had £100 million of players they don't have now, lost their manager but seem to be doing no worse.

On the other hand I crave some stability at our club and it is very early days for the new man so I am prepared to give him time as long as their are signs of gradual improvement. Getting the mix right might take some time and only one team has looked any good so far this season with all the other top clubs seeming to be in second gear right now

 

[longtimespur]

Watching from the sidelines Poch does look inflexible apparently suffering from the one system, one system only thing. I still question two DM players in every game...only one striker...not playing to some players strengths (i.e. is Paulinho really this bad? or the once free scoring Soldado? are we making the best use of Eriksen?)

Southampton certainly got great plaudits last season and did well but we beat them twice if I remember correctly when they had £100 million of players they don't have now, lost their manager but seem to be doing no worse.

On the other hand I crave some stability at our club and it is very early days for the new man so I am prepared to give him time as long as their are signs of gradual improvement. Getting the mix right might take some time and only one team has looked any good so far this season with all the other top clubs seeming to be in second gear right now

IMHO MrP seems to have changed his system somewhat already. The game against the gooners was a tight defence and hit on the break set-up. I don't remember much of a fast tempo, high pressing game against them.

Some games we seem to press high at certain times and other games it seems high press all the time (well until we get too tired).
Whether this is because he varies the system, or doesn't have the right players or they just aren't fit enough is anyone's guess.

 

[UbeAstard]

I remain to be convinced that Poch is the real deal, but Levy has painted himself into a corner where he has no choice but to back him. I for one will be joining the 'Levy out' camp if he doesn't.

That'll swell the numbers to 17 then.

 

[Shirtfront]

What if it's Eriksen who is complaining about the training? Or Lamela? Or Vertoghen?

These are footballers first, not athletes.
Moyes was supposedly guilty of over-training at ManU too. I rest my case.

You rest your case? Because Moyes overtrained ManU? Apparently? Wow, slam dunk.

These are athletes and footballers. Neither comes first; you need to be both. Every player should be as fit as they possibly can - no more and no less.

More training is not the same thing as overtraining. It is about working hard enough and both skills and fitness to be your best.

Two training sessions a day is nothing. Look at what boxers go through for a fight. Look at what Rugby (or in my world) Aussie Rules players build into their training regime.

Yes football is different and the regime needs to be adapted accordingly.
But hard work is the key difference between success and failure.

Are you really saying that, from what you see on the pitch, it appears to you that our team have a culture of working as hard as they possibly can for each other? Of giving everything they have? A culture of drive, success and self sacrifice?

Until you see that, we won't win anything.

 

[mawspurs]

I still question two DM players in every game

I wouldn't call Mason a DM though. So it seems Poch is coming around to your way of thinking, a DM alongside a playmaker.

 

[Spurs 1961]

I wouldn't call Mason a DM though. So it seems Poch is coming around to your way of thinking, a DM alongside a playmaker.

Maybe. Too early to tell yet but he has a bit more to his game. Now I actually think Stambauli might be the player who offers the box to box game that a Dembele of a few seasons ago promised but again it is far too soon to make judgments on a handful of games

 

[Spurs 1961]

IMHO MrP seems to have changed his system somewhat already. The game against the gooners was a tight defence and hit on the break set-up. I don't remember much of a fast tempo, high pressing game against them.

Some games we seem to press high at certain times and other games it seems high press all the time (well until we get too tired).
Whether this is because he varies the system, or doesn't have the right players or they just aren't fit enough is anyone's guess.

I think this hits the nail on the head. We have become so use to inconsistency. errors and lacklustre performances that we are not quite sure what is and what is not planned

 

[Block D Spurs]

I think this hits the nail on the head. We have become so use to inconsistency. errors and lacklustre performances that we are not quite sure what is and what is not planned

Also we don't have any real insight to what Poch. is doing in his pre game plans, and on training grounds. Just have to go by what he has done at Soton. and in games so far.

 

[guate]

With hindsight I think the OP's original statement is way off the truth as shown by Sunday's game where we were pressing constantly, even Ronald Koeman commented on rthe fact.
If Mauricio got a bunch of relatively unknown players, playing exceptionally well with a great work ethic, while manager of Southampton I truly believe he should be given the opportunity of replicating this feat at Spurs. In my book if a few players are not responding then he must be given the authority of replacing them with players he knows will do the job.

 

[whitesocks]

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Two training sessions a day is nothing. Look at what boxers go through for a fight. Look at what Rugby (or in my world) Aussie Rules players build into their training regime.

Yes football is different and the regime needs to be adapted accordingly.

Boxers get quite a bit of time off between fights.
But sure, speed, strength, skill, mentality and teamwork are put to the test week after week in the rugby worlds. It would be interesting to compare the training.

They sort of tried that at southampton once with Clive Woodward, but it got political and he refused to take his badges. It did not work.

It makes you wonder, given the stupid amounts of money in the premiership, why players do not switch sports, but it is unheard of.

Would it be that difficult to make a rugby winger into a Bale type of player - fast and direct? Athleticism was his main asset after all. I dunno. Again, it might be more a political problem.

 

[mawspurs]

It makes you wonder, given the stupid amounts of money in the premiership, why players do not switch sports, but it is unheard of.

Would it be that difficult to make a rugby winger into a Bale type of player - fast and direct? Athleticism was his main asset after all. I dunno. Again, it might be more a political problem.

Nah they are used to kicking eggs.