Match Threads Spurs v Barcelona - Match Thread

[Primativ]

That's not an excuse, it's called a fact.

So again how are you going to judge this performance if the majority of our spine and key players are missing...hardly worth the epuc meltdown and claims of the sky is falling in just cause we lost to Barcelona.

Have a word.

No you have a word with yourself. Some of us can see we have been in decline this season, or bad form, whatever you want to call it.

What actually makes me laugh is...fans who think everything is ok because we get 3 points. They completely gloss over our issues. We have literally hardly played well all season. Some players like Dier are in atrocious form. Our defence has become terrible. I've never seen it so bad under Poch and this is with the same players! Compare how we were last season v Madrid home and away to what we've been like last night. The difference is astounding and depressing.

Like we beat Huddersfield and everyone see it's ok. I'm sitting there going...no it isn't. Last night wasn't a one off game against an elite side, it was a continuation of the trend of our issues I've seen ALL season.

Have we had a single impressive result all season? United away? Same United that lost to Brighton and West Ham. Same United that should and could have been out of sight against us at half-time. Same United who are on the verge of sacking Mourinho as they are so poor and he's lost the dressing room.

Some of us can see some worrying signs at Spurs at the moment. It isn't "just because we lost to Barcelona". That's ridiculous. Its because it looks like the wheels have come off Poch's Spurs so far this season and last night was further evidence of this malaise. Our CM last night like all season was non existent and our defence so open. Massive issues.

 

[JCRD]

There's nothing wrong in applauding genius. That doesn't make you a traitor to your team just an old fashioned football fan. Even if it does "piss you off"

Well I appreciate it ofcourse especially when youre watching them on TV etc but against your own team you start applauding them when your team is being passed off the pitch and 2-0 down or 3-1 down? We can appreciate him and them after the match or even during the game say well done son, but not applaud the team who were toying with yours.

Theyre a great team and you dont realise how great they are until you see them in the flesh BUT I wasnt there to really watch them but that is just me.

 

[UbeAstard]

A fair assessment would be that at 3-0 the game was too easy for Barcelona and so they slacked off allowing us in which slightly skewed the result making it look more of a game than it was.

But it was never 3-0?

 

[idontgetit]

Was really impressed with us second half, we've been missing that all season. Winks really grew into the game, loved to see that.

 

[Shadydan]

No you have a word with yourself. Some of us can see we have been in decline this season, or bad form, whatever you want to call it.

What actually makes me laugh is...fans who think everything is ok because we get 3 points. They completely gloss over our issues. We have literally hardly played well all season. Some players like Dier are in atrocious form. Our defence has become terrible. I've never seen it so bad under Poch and this is with the same players! Compare how we were last season v Madrid home and away to what we've been like last night. The difference is astounding and depressing.

Like we beat Huddersfield and everyone see it's ok. I'm sitting there going...no it isn't. Last night wasn't a one off game against an elite side, it was a continuation of the trend of our issues I've seen ALL season.

Have we had a single impressive result all season? United away? Same United that lost to Brighton and West Ham. Same United that should and could have been out of sight against us at half-time. Same United who are on the verge of sacking Mourinho as they are so poor and he's lost the dressing room.

Some of us can see some worrying signs at Spurs at the moment. It isn't "just because we lost to Barcelona". That's ridiculous. Its because it looks like the wheels have come off Poch's Spurs so far this season and last night was further evidence of this malaise. Our CM last night like all season was non existent and our defence so open. Massive issues.

I haven't said anything about us not having issues or not playing well this season, but keep jumping to assumptions though, not sure I can take your post seriously if all you're gonna do is assume.

I've made my point, we had key players missing against Barcelona, so quite how you expect us to compete and use this game as a basis of your argument to say that we are in decline ignoring the circumstances that we were in last night and lump it in with the other performaces, sorry no.

If we are at full strength and we play like that then I understand the bed wetting if we were playing like Man Utd for example with no passion or ideas I'd agree with you but we're not which is why I'm not panicking.

But if you want to have a meltdown go ahead, you only see what you want to see and that's fine, some of us can see some signs of positivity believe it or not, last night didn't tell me anything different other than we cannot compete with the top teams without our first teamers, something we've known for a long time.

 

[Shadydan]

The "stupid comment" was calling him a "Demi God" He was rubbish in the first half and better in the second.

Ok...

 

[shelfboy68]

But it was never 3-0?

I stand corrected apologies

 

[Locotoro]

No you have a word with yourself. Some of us can see we have been in decline this season, or bad form, whatever you want to call it.

Yes, it's called bad form. The same way we are most seasons in the early stages. Consider how many matches these players have competed in over the summer and how little pre-season preparation they had and ask why?

What actually makes me laugh is...fans who think everything is ok because we get 3 points. They completely gloss over our issues. We have literally hardly played well all season. Some players like Dier are in atrocious form. Our defence has become terrible. I've never seen it so bad under Poch and this is with the same players! Compare how we were last season v Madrid home and away to what we've been like last night. The difference is astounding and depressing.

Last year, against Real Madrid we were not expected to compete against the top tier and that's why it came as such a surprise. You recognise the win at Man Utd as being the result of their poor form but fail to mention Real were having their own off form period when we beat them - had we played them later in the season I doubt we would have the same results.

Like we beat Huddersfield and everyone see it's ok. I'm sitting there going...no it isn't. Last night wasn't a one off game against an elite side, it was a continuation of the trend of our issues I've seen ALL season.

Last night we played against one of the top teams in the world. We are not on their level. Anyone complaining that we should have won or got something from the result needs to pull their head out of their own arse. Barcelona are one of the best teams in the world at exploiting space and forcing defensive errors. You really think we should have got something out of that game?

Have we had a single impressive result all season? United away? Same United that lost to Brighton and West Ham. Same United that should and could have been out of sight against us at half-time. Same United who are on the verge of sacking Mourinho as they are so poor and he's lost the dressing room.

Should and could have been out of sight but they weren't. Doesn't matter what could or should have happened. We were clinical with our chances and won the match. You beat what is in front of you.

Some of us can see some worrying signs at Spurs at the moment. It isn't "just because we lost to Barcelona". That's ridiculous. Its because it looks like the wheels have come off Poch's Spurs so far this season and last night was further evidence of this malaise. Our CM last night like all season was non existent and our defence so open. Massive issues.

Your post lacks any sensible application of context of any sort and is a complete load of bollocks. 4 first choice players out injured, 3 players still returning from injury on the field and you think the wheels have come off. Ridiculous

 

[sebo_sek]

Unfortunately he isn't very good. Touch is poor, plays with his head down, not much going for him other than work rate

I bet that's what you said about Lamela. Can't knock him now, so skip to Moura?

 

[Sweetsman]

No you have a word with yourself. Some of us can see we have been in decline this season, or bad form, whatever you want to call it.

What actually makes me laugh is...fans who think everything is ok because we get 3 points. They completely gloss over our issues. We have literally hardly played well all season. Some players like Dier are in atrocious form. Our defence has become terrible. I've never seen it so bad under Poch and this is with the same players! Compare how we were last season v Madrid home and away to what we've been like last night. The difference is astounding and depressing.

Like we beat Huddersfield and everyone see it's ok. I'm sitting there going...no it isn't. Last night wasn't a one off game against an elite side, it was a continuation of the trend of our issues I've seen ALL season.

Have we had a single impressive result all season? United away? Same United that lost to Brighton and West Ham. Same United that should and could have been out of sight against us at half-time. Same United who are on the verge of sacking Mourinho as they are so poor and he's lost the dressing room.

Some of us can see some worrying signs at Spurs at the moment. It isn't "just because we lost to Barcelona". That's ridiculous. Its because it looks like the wheels have come off Poch's Spurs so far this season and last night was further evidence of this malaise. Our CM last night like all season was non existent and our defence so open. Massive issues.

You don't get extra points for artistic expression in football, just three points for a win. You and your bedfellows are desperate for the wheels to come off.

 

[spursfan77]

So we play Barcelona last when they will probably already of qualified. If we need a point or something like that to get through I wonder if we will see a rather strange game. Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[UbeAstard]

No you have a word with yourself. Some of us can see we have been in decline this season, or bad form, whatever you want to call it.

What actually makes me laugh is...fans who think everything is ok because we get 3 points. They completely gloss over our issues. We have literally hardly played well all season. Some players like Dier are in atrocious form. Our defence has become terrible. I've never seen it so bad under Poch and this is with the same players! Compare how we were last season v Madrid home and away to what we've been like last night. The difference is astounding and depressing.

Like we beat Huddersfield and everyone see it's ok. I'm sitting there going...no it isn't. Last night wasn't a one off game against an elite side, it was a continuation of the trend of our issues I've seen ALL season.

Have we had a single impressive result all season? United away? Same United that lost to Brighton and West Ham. Same United that should and could have been out of sight against us at half-time. Same United who are on the verge of sacking Mourinho as they are so poor and he's lost the dressing room.

Some of us can see some worrying signs at Spurs at the moment. It isn't "just because we lost to Barcelona". That's ridiculous. Its because it looks like the wheels have come off Poch's Spurs so far this season and last night was further evidence of this malaise. Our CM last night like all season was non existent and our defence so open. Massive issues.

I don't think everything is OK and I know there are issues, however I can see massage progress over where we were 5 years ago. We are at a level where the progress becomes slower or may even seem to have stopped, but as long as I can see plans in place to continue that improvement I am not going to kick off and moan over the odd set back. I'm not fickle. So to the moaning fickle fans

 

[UbeAstard]

context - if they did they'd have covered the issues with a bigger squad. Injuries are part of the game.

They have more resources than us. Do you want a bigger squad of championship level players like SIssoko?

 

[UbeAstard]

Disagree, it was a routine ball up the line, Sissoko wasn't under anymore pressure than anyone else had been during the game; Barcelona pressing us fast and tight all game, with at least 2 players each time. He surrendered it comparatively cheaply, and we were caught napping.

That's what I thought,

 

[shelfboy68]

Your post lacks any sensible application of context of any sort and is a complete load of bollocks. 4 first choice players out injured, 3 players still returning from injury on the field and you think the wheels have come off. Ridiculous

Whether you agree or disagree with his post the fact remains regardless of 4 players out injured and players still not up to speed we would have lost anyway as we are not the team of last year, perhaps the club could of given itself a fighting chance by having a better or should I say a summer transfer window which may have helped the cause a bit better.

 

[worcestersauce]

Got home in the wee small hours so the last thing I wanted to do was waste time with you lot but having time to reflect Ithought I'd give my impression.
First of all I didn't know Messi had a worldy until this morning when I read the report, mind you I didn't have my usual seat and was so high up that I could barely make out our players let alone theirs, the fact that he obviously did is due to his brilliance and that the pairing of Winks and Wanyama didn't give him much to contend with, I'm not knocking them but they just looked to me like two players who have hardly played for ages and certainly not together.
The first goal was a give away, I originally thought it was fortunate to sneak in the corner but I guess that's exactly where the man chose to put it and the last goal was pretty much a giveaway too, with one minute to go and our blood up I don't want to see my keeper pass sideways ten yards to a defender in the box with a player bearing down on him, bloody poor decision.
I know the early goal didn't help but I spent the first half shouting to press them, charge the keeper and carry the ball forward instead of looking sideways for someone to pass to the second they received it, and run at them, take their defenders on and get them sweating, I think one or two around me felt it was bad form to offer encouragement quite so loudly but as my dear sainted old granny used to say, fuck them!
Anyway Poch must have heard me because we came out and did that in the second half, Erik Lamela take a special round of aplause, you played us back into the game, the calm easy gentle pass the ball around like a stroll in the park from Barca ended there and then, they still played their passing game because they are a bloody good team but it was a bit more urgent and often a bit more panicked, and when we ran at them their defence didn't like it very much at all.
Overall they were the better side of course, we looked a bit disjointed and not at our best, not surprising with the players, and therefore the synchronicity we were missing.
We lost it in the first half, we most certainly didn't lose it on the second half performance, I know Messi hit a couple of posts but we were chasing the game so they were bound to get some chances, not happy to lose and I don't like the gallant loser role at all but at least we came back at them and I'll take a positive from that.
Onwards and upwards and I think that second half spirit will carry us through this group.
COYS!

 

[JimmyG2]

That's what I thought,

Fancy playing it out to Sissoko under pressure.
Long ball time at that stage.
Why bring Llorente on
if not for just such a contingency.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

They have more resources than us

nah, just a willing chairman

 

[Locotoro]

Whether you agree or disagree with his post the fact remains regardless of 4 players out injured and players still not up to speed we would have lost anyway as we are not the team of last year, perhaps the club could of given itself a fighting chance by having a better or should I say a summer transfer window which may have helped the cause a bit better.

If you read my comments in his post you'll understand that I am not overly concerned by our early season form because we are getting better results on the whole than we started getting last season. I full expect our form to improve over the season and we will start getting back to the form we showed last season and better.

Did we need to sign a player? Quite probably. But looking at our squad who do you sign who makes a substantial improvement on what we have and is within our budget? If you're bringing in a "potential" then you run the risk of getting another Janssen, N'koudou or N'jie.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I didn't see that game.
We were initially blown well off course
by a first minute disaster of Hugo's own making
and then a Messi inspired Tsunami.
But a HK goal gave us a life-raft to cling on to
and we drowned fighting for life.
We may not have deserved it
but a draw was on the horizon at 2-1 and 3-2.
3-0 never happened.

He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very nautical boy