Match Threads Spurs v Barcelona - Match Thread

[1882andallthat]

Glad someone else mentioned this. I thought at the time the ball went out. Can't believe more wasn't made of this, either by our players or tv replays etc. Not one shown anywhere that i've seen.
I think everyone was mesmorised with the goal and forgot to apeal. Odd.

Indeed, having now had the chance to see replays there is no doubting the quality of the strike for the goal, but for reasons unknown, there are no slow motion stills or camera shots or replays of the ball going out after Lloris parried it. On Bt sport Martin Tyler commentating having seen mini edited highlights simply presumed it didn't go out I'm still convinced it did and that's not just because I'm a Spurs fan. Ironically and as per usual VAR is too late to potentially come to our rescue, and for all the good those officials are including the shop dummy of an official standing next to the line he was never going to alert the ref to it. I'm not saying it would definitely have been picked up by VAR but there's no doubt it would and could have been more heavily scrutinised and it would have stood a better chance of being ruled out than by those clowns, oops, did I mean to say officials last night.

 

[Ionman34]

So sorry to be a pillock to you. People like me eh. Sort of confirms my thoughts about you, but I won't call you names

I’m crushed.

I note you have sweet fa to say about your inability to read a post...

Sort of confirms my thoughts about you.

 

[homer hotspur]

Read his book- he confirms it was a Levy purchase. A book that was cleared by the club for publication. So because he was ‘begging’ for a pacy player, this becomes an immutable fact that he wanted Sissoko? Jesus dabbed

I think the point being made is that it is hard to imagine that he didn't give a final nod to Sissoko, even if not his first choice. That just doesn't really seem very likely.

 

[homer hotspur]

Indeed, having now had the chance to see replays there is no doubting the quality of the strike for the goal, but for reasons unknown, there are no slow motion stills or camera shots or replays of the ball going out after Lloris parried it. On Bt sport Martin Tyler commentating having seen mini edited highlights simply presumed it didn't go out I'm still convinced it did and that's not just because I'm a Spurs fan. Ironically and as per usual VAR is too late to potentially come to our rescue, and for all the good those officials are including the shop dummy of an official standing next to the line he was never going to alert the ref to it. I'm not saying it would definitely have been picked up by VAR but there's no doubt it would and could have been more heavily scrutinised and it would have stood a better chance of being ruled out than by those clowns, oops, did I mean to say officials last night.

I thought it looked out at the time and on the tv highlights today. It's true that the crowd , including me, didn't really react, probably taken aback by the shot. The officials were dreadful, so pro Barca in every way and it annoyed me that Martin Tyler tried to attribute the HT booing as towards the team, when it was totally aimed at the referee.

 

[Shadydan]

I think the point being made is that it is hard to imagine that he didn't give a final nod to Sissoko, even if not his first choice. That just doesn't really seem very likely.

Of course it doesn't because it doesn't make any sense.

Poch by his own admission says that him and Levy get on, as if Levy isn't gonna go behind his back and bring in a player for a club record fee, some ridiculous fantasies being played out here

 

[gerishep]

I’m crushed.

I note you have sweet fa to say about your inability to read a post...

Sort of confirms my thoughts about you.

I have no ability no thoughts of my own, us mortals are not allowed to think in your presence. Only you can say thinks about our club, we just come out when it rains therefore we don't count, only you do.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

So let me get this straight...

Poch says it was a Levy purchase which in your book means that Poch didn't agree to the deal in any way shape of form?, lol k then.

Since when did Daniel Levy pay so much money for a player up until that point especially at the end of the window? So are we led to believe that he suddenly changed his business strategy dramatically and Poch had no say on the matter, please.

Mmmm....panic buy at the final hour of transfer deadline day. Check. Poch then makes a point of the purchase not being something he wanted but he would try and make the best of the situation.
Fast forward to the summer of 2018. It’s been made abundantly clear by a variety of reliable itk that Poch has a short list of specific CMs in mind. It’s deadline day again. This time Levy makes a bid for Gomes, which Poch rejects and is, again according to reliable itk, angry about Levy’s last minute panic buying behaviour. Only this time he rejects the mediocrity on offer because, like the Sissoko purchase, it’s unhelpful to our development.
Poch is not perfect but it’s in black and white that Levy was behind the Sissoko deal. I’d say our lack of players this summer was Poch throwing a marker down about not buying players he doesn’t want

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Of course it doesn't because it doesn't make any sense.

Poch by his own admission says that him and Levy get on, as if Levy isn't gonna go behind his back and bring in a player for a club record fee, some ridiculous fantasies being played out here

Relationships are rarely binary as your post suggests. There’s a lot Poch has stated he admires and respects Levy for. But we’ve also heard from multiple sources that Poch has had issues with Levy and transfers at times in the past and certainly the last window. Why can’t the two facets co-exist?

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I think the point being made is that it is hard to imagine that he didn't give a final nod to Sissoko, even if not his first choice. That just doesn't really seem very likely.

My feeling is that Poch spent the summer courting Isco, and came close to getting him. We missed the boat late in the day and Levy jumped on the Sissoko deal. This was earlier in the Poch era- he’s more exact and confident in what he needs to move us forward which is why the possible two players on the cards on this transfer deadline day were rejected; he didn’t feel they were fit for purpose

 

[John48]

I thought it looked out at the time and on the tv highlights today. It's true that the crowd , including me, didn't really react, probably taken aback by the shot. The officials were dreadful, so pro Barca in every way and it annoyed me that Martin Tyler tried to attribute the HT booing as towards the team, when it was totally aimed at the referee.

My thoughts too.

 

[Gb160]

Mental that some people base so much of their thinking on ITK.

 

[shelfboy68]

Relationships are rarely binary as your post suggests. There’s a lot Poch has stated he admires and respects Levy for. But we’ve also heard from multiple sources that Poch has had issues with Levy and transfers at times in the past and certainly the last window. Why can’t the two facets co-exist?

Because as these people tell you when you make a point it suits the narrative is the trotted out answer.

 

[homer hotspur]

My feeling is that Poch spent the summer courting Isco, and came close to getting him. We missed the boat late in the day and Levy jumped on the Sissoko deal. This was earlier in the Poch era- he’s more exact and confident in what he needs to move us forward which is why the possible two players on the cards on this transfer deadline day were rejected; he didn’t feel they were fit for purpose

A lot of that may well be correct but i still think he would have had to give a final ok before Levy signed Sissoko

 

[Locotoro]

Of course he sanctioned it, he was begging for a pacey player after the Liverpool match at WHL, he may have wanted someone better but I'm not having the fact that he had nothing to do with bringing Sissoko in.

He wanted Wijlnadem (however you spell it)

 

[Shadydan]

Mmmm....panic buy at the final hour of transfer deadline day. Check. Poch then makes a point of the purchase not being something he wanted but he would try and make the best of the situation.
Fast forward to the summer of 2018. It’s been made abundantly clear by a variety of reliable itk that Poch has a short list of specific CMs in mind. It’s deadline day again. This time Levy makes a bid for Gomes, which Poch rejects and is, again according to reliable itk, angry about Levy’s last minute panic buying behaviour. Only this time he rejects the mediocrity on offer because, like the Sissoko purchase, it’s unhelpful to our development.
Poch is not perfect but it’s in black and white that Levy was behind the Sissoko deal. I’d say our lack of players this summer was Poch throwing a marker down about not buying players he doesn’t want

That's some narrative you have in your head there just to reach for a point that doesn't even make any sense but ok cool, this is all well and good but you're not looking at things objectively, look at the circumstances and the activity and quotes after that Liverpool match, now look at the past behavior of Daniel Levy. £30m club record fee on buying a player without the knowledge of his manager, you surely can't believe that without keeping a straight face can you?

Is it just me who finds it hilarious that Levy gets blamed for breaking a transfer fee for a player who apparently Poch had no say in and yet at the same token gets criticised for not backing his manager this summer.

To be honest when you have to use 'according to ITK' as some sort of backing for your argument, I think that means we're done here.

 

[Shadydan]

He wanted Wijlnadem (however you spell it)

He spoke to Wijnaldum in the summer before the season kicked off.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-admits-tottenham-talks-before-liverpool-move

This quotes I'm referring to were in August after the Liverpool match

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...end-30million-on-moussa-sissoko-a7219236.html

 

[Shadydan]

Mental that some people base so much of their thinking on ITK.

Wait, what? Next thing you're gonna tell me is that we're not gonna sign Leandro Damiao

 

[1882andallthat]

I thought it looked out at the time and on the tv highlights today. It's true that the crowd , including me, didn't really react, probably taken aback by the shot. The officials were dreadful, so pro Barca in every way and it annoyed me that Martin Tyler tried to attribute the HT booing as towards the team, when it was totally aimed at the referee.

The bloke sat next to me shouted at the time that was it out, and he was even more peeved off than I was that it was allowed to stand, and I agree that the crowd around where I was sitting were a little less than impressed with the officials.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

To be honest when you have to use 'according to ITK' as some sort of backing for your argument, I think that means we're done here.

We all have our own narratives, it’s partially why we engage with each other on this site. You’re no different or better or worse than I am on this count. I’m comfortable with these ambiguities. But you can’t speak about objectivity and then base your argument on Poch supporting or even driving the Sissoko purchase based on some post match comments that he made after a specific game that don’t even mention Sissoko’s name. That is fairly congruous with what you’re accusing me of doing and I’m using Poch’s published words on the matter.
Equally, in a forum of diversive narratives, I like to think that when a combination of itk sources claim similar things it’s a fair bet they’re more accurate than the average poster like you or me- that goes either way, whether what they say suits my narrative or challenges it. And while I’d be minded to apply a pinch of salt, I also wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss their information either. And I definitely wouldn’t dismiss or belittle other posters for basing some of their thoughts and impressions on what itk says. Why are they less legitimate than mine or your point of view? Either way, it’s healthy to debate these things, rather than rage internally at imagined or real transgressions, slights and differing opinions so I do appreciate this discussion

 

[worcestersauce]

This is all very disconcerting, I'm getting the impression tha some people are laying the blame for the defeat on Sissoko, if so that is fucking ridiculous, as it happens I thought he was ok when he came on, he has had shit for the last goal but he did at least make himself available and we shouldn't have been in that situation anyway. However even if he'd come on and was as bad as many people want to think he was the defeat wasn't down to him.