Spurs v Brighton Match Thread sponsored by FFS Dele

[glacierSpurs]

Completely agree, I am not even sure who our best free kick taker is anymore.

Last season I would have said Eriksen without a doubt but he seems to have gone off the boil on free kicks completely.

Just infuriates me that we have such a tall team and players like Sanchez that can head the ball and we never seem to take advantage.

One thing I noticed, the lads are not winning offensive aerial duels as much these days. Even Kane is not winning headers as much, for someone as tenacious as he used to be. Almost no one bothers to head the balls offensively. Balls pumped up from Lloris can be expected there will be no one to win in with their heads.

 

[UbeAstard]

He is...
2016/17
Rose played lesser minutes than Davies.
When Rose played, we averaged 2.06 points per game
When Davies played, we averaged 2.57 points per game
And we had our best season ever, with Davies playing most minutes.

Davies does not have fancy tricks, great acceleration or athleticism.
What Davies has is steadiness, consistency & make a correct decision most times.

This season, Davies has already scored 2 goals & assisted 3. He is only improving, he is still 3 years younger than Rose. He has so much upside to his game. Rose has a big mouth & little patience. Davies was patient when Rose was playing. Now Davies is the better player for the team. So, Rose has to be patient & bide his time. Thats the reality.

I don't give a bollocks about stats like that which only tell part of a picture, a picture which has a lot to do with the level of competition your playing against and the other 10 team mates on the pitch with you.
Davies is playing brilliantly when he is selected, far better than I believed he was capable of. Yet I still remember him getting thrashed by Mane the last time we played and Anfield (admittedly he had no protection), I dont recall Rose getting thrashed like that though he has been up against some top players.
Rose has been called 'one of the best left backs in Europe' and 'Englands best left back' due to his performances over the last 3 seasons. He has reputedly been desired by Manchester Utd as well as Chelsea. Those pundits and clubs must be mugs as they arent reading the stats in the same way as you.
This is my opinion, Rose at his best is undroppable, though I am very, very impressed with how Davies has stepped up while Rose has been out.

 

[Shadydan]

A miss hit cross and a deflection that put the ball into the top corner are surely the very definition of luck. The easier chances we had, we fluffed. We got lucky. Very lucky.

The problem I have with pepole saying that we got lucky is that they don't take into account the nemorous blocked shots, hitting the post twice and the last ditch attempts that thwarted us, if you're gonna use the logic for chances scored then you gotta use it for chances missed as well.

The point is that we could be here all day analysing what is luck or not but the objective is to put the ball in the back of the net which we did twice, our goals resulted from constant pressure on the Brighton goal and in that case if your gonna use the word 'luck' you have to say it was owed to us.

 

[adamsky]

He always plays those passes. I get people were frustrated at the speed of the game last night, but to criticise Winks is grossly unfair in my opinion.

There was a reason that Poch took him off first, he wasn’t having a very good game.

 

[arunspurs]

I don't give a bollocks about stats like that which only tell part of a picture, a picture which has a lot to do with the level of competition your playing against and the other 10 team mates on the pitch with you.
Davies is playing brilliantly when he is selected, far better than I beleived he was capable of. Yet I still remember him getting thrashed by Mane the last time we played and Anfield (admittedly he had no protection), I dont recall Rose getting thrashed like that though he has been up against some top players.
Rose has been called 'one of the best left backs in Europe' and 'Englands best left back' due to his performances over the last 3 seasons. He has reputedly been desired by Manchester Utd as well as Chelsea. Those pundits and clubs must be mugs as they arent reading the stats in the same way as you.
This is my opinion, Rose at his best is undroppable, though I am very, very impressed with how Davies has stepped up while Rose has been out.

Anfield game was 1 game which came early in season for him, when he didnt have match fitness.
If Rose is best English LB then Davies is best Welsh LB...You are comparing apples with oranges .

Proof is in the pudding. We win more points with Davies than Rose. Davies suits the team better. No wonder Son's form got better & better with Davies being on the side. Rose is better individual player interms of raw ability. I would personally stick with Davies, till Rose puts in some performance to get the place back.

 

[smallsnc]

Winks needs to be a bit more ambitious in his passing. He needs to find the balance of when to keep us ticking over and when to try and be a bit forward thinking. Otherwise he will end up like Leon Britton, tidy player but not the top level that we all hope he will be.

Winks needs a back 3 or a DM sitting beside him such as Dier or Wanyama to allow him the freedom to push forward. Right now we are not as solid in the middle or in the back line as we were early in the season or last year due to injuries and the suspension and it shows in how cautious we play at times.

 

[Nebby]

The problem I have with pepole saying that we got lucky is that they don't take into account the nemorous blocked shots, hitting the post twice and the last ditch attempts that thwarted us, if you're gonna use the logic for chances scored then you gotta use it for chances missed as well.

The point is that we could be here all day analysing what is luck or not but the objective is to put the ball in the back of the net which we did twice, our goals resulted from constant pressure on the Brighton goal and in that case if your gonna use the word 'luck' you have to say it was owed to us.

Putting the ball into the back of the net usually requires (a) hitting it in the right direction and (b) an element of intent. When neither are involved, and the ball still ends up in the goal, that's down to luck rather than judgement.

 

[Nebby]

Winks needs a back 3 or a DM sitting beside him such as Dier or Wanyama to allow him the freedom to push forward. Right now we are not as solid in the middle or in the back line as we were early in the season or last year due to injuries and the suspension and it shows in how cautious we play at times.

Definitely. We really do miss having Dier or Wanyama doing their thing. We look wide open at times.

 

[arunspurs]

Winks needs a back 3 or a DM sitting beside him such as Dier or Wanyama to allow him the freedom to push forward. Right now we are not as solid in the middle or in the back line as we were early in the season or last year due to injuries and the suspension and it shows in how cautious we play at times.

Yesterday's game was game of two halves for Winks. I thought in first half he tried too hard to make telling passes. Brighton sat so deep he didnot have passing lanes. And moreover there was none making the runs or getting behind lines.

Once he lost his passing game, I guess he became too negative in 2nd half & stopped trying. Instead he went back if he couldnt see the pass. Then our crowd got into him & that was the end of him.

Winks best game came against Madrid at home. It is not the quality of opposition or lack of DM, its how much space he is given to play his game. He is still young - needs to learn to change his game based on different situation. This will come with more game time.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Putting the ball into the back of the net usually requires (a) hitting it in the right direction and (b) an element of intent. When neither are involved, and the ball still ends up in the goal, that's down to luck rather than judgement.

Getting into a position in which the ball could end in the net usually requires a) pressing the opponent and putting in a proper day in the office and b) a huge element of will and desire. When both are present in abundance over 90 minutes and the game is won, that's not down to luck.

 

[donny1013]

Yesterday's game was game of two halves for Winks. I thought in first half he tried too hard to make telling passes. Brighton sat so deep he didnot have passing lanes. And moreover there was none making the runs or getting behind lines.

Once he lost his passing game, I guess he became too negative in 2nd half & stopped trying. Instead he went back if he couldnt see the pass. Then our crowd got into him & that was the end of him.

Winks best game came against Madrid at home. It is not the quality of opposition or lack of DM, its how much space he is given to play his game. He is still young - needs to learn to change his game based on different situation. This will come with more game time.

Yep, the more experience he gets, you would hope he always looks like he has loads of time on the ball as all good CM's seem to have.

 

[UbeAstard]

But for the freakish first goal, we created little in the first half, and Son's goal looked equally lucky from where I was sat; like it went in off the back of his head. We won't keep getting that lucky, and we won't keep coming up against teams as stupid as Stoke, who for some reason allowed the game to open up. I guess they're not bothered about goal difference.

It was noticeable how the crowd turned on Winks last night. I'd say less than 20% of his passes went forwards. Most seemed to go straight back to the player that had given him the ball or sideways. Now, there's nothing wrong with ball retention, but there comes a point where we need to get the ball forward. Kane was moving back and forwards across their back four all night looking for the early pass, but it just didn't come.

We seem to be playing very cautiously these days.

Well sometimes luck is needed and it can be luck that wins a tight game. I bet Liverpool and Arsenal would have killed for some last night.

 

[UbeAstard]

Anfield game was 1 game which came early in season for him, when he didnt have match fitness.
If Rose is best English LB then Davies is best Welsh LB...You are comparing apples with oranges .

Proof is in the pudding. We win more points with Davies than Rose. Davies suits the team better. No wonder Son's form got better & better with Davies being on the side. Rose is better individual player interms of raw ability. I would personally stick with Davies, till Rose puts in some performance to get the place back.

I'm not comparing apples with oranges, no one is offering the same plaudits against Davies anywhere and the biggest clubs anywhere arent looking for him (however, this is only part of the picture and doesnt mean he isnt a good full back). If you cant get my point I have other things to do.

 

[Shadydan]

Putting the ball into the back of the net usually requires (a) hitting it in the right direction and (b) an element of intent. When neither are involved, and the ball still ends up in the goal, that's down to luck rather than judgement.

The intent is getting near the opponents goal and putting pressure on them in hope you carve out space to score in your opponents goal. Fact is that not all goals will be scored when you hit a clean strike and some goals will come by pure chance case in point look at the goals from the Manc Derby at the weekend and tell me where the intent was for any of those goals.

You could literally analyse every goal scored in that case, according to your logic we were very lucky against Real because we scored with a deflected shot and an beneffited from an offside decision as well. Also your analysis doesn't take into account defensive lapses from the opposition so you have to say that we were lucky against Liverpool as well then as all of those goals were gifted to us too then right, I mean where was the 'intent' for those goals in that match?

Sorry I just don't buy the very very lucky shouts, it's lazy and it suggests that we didn't deserve to win the match, on the balance of play we more than deserved it.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I'm not comparing apples with oranges, no one is offering the same plaudits against Davies anywhere and the biggest clubs anywhere arent looking for him (however, this is only part of the picture and doesnt mean he isnt a good full back). If you cant get my point I have other things to do.

To be specific, after this season so far you can't say that with such certainty.

 

[ajspurs]

Winks had a poor game, but hey, how many times have I said that since he's come into the first team? Not many at all.

 

[arunspurs]

I'm not comparing apples with oranges, no one is offering the same plaudits against Davies anywhere and the biggest clubs anywhere arent looking for him (however, this is only part of the picture and doesnt mean he isnt a good full back). If you cant get my point I have other things to do.

Sorry, Awards & transfer fee should not be the way to evaluate a player.

A pundit's praise or a award isnt going to put the points on the board. Paul Merson can say what he wants. Jamie Redknapp changes his tune on a player like changing suits. Teams are after Rose because he has thrown his toys out of the pram. Wanyama was wanted by noboody, but his inclusion in team improved us. On other hand, Pogba was wanted by every one. We are still waiting to see what the fuss is about him. Awards & transfer fees is not the way to evaluate a player.

Rose was in 2016/17 team of the season. Reality was Davies played more minutes & when he played we won more points than we had Rose. And we had our best season ever, improving by 16 points.

 

[Shadydan]

The Rose/Davies argument is pointless, both players are capable of doing things the other isn't. Also Rose has just come back from a long injury so to make an absolute statement whether one is better than the other is nonsense, be happy that we have two of the best left backs in the league at the club

 

[whitesocks]

I have a horrible feeling that Davies coming on for a minute means MP plans to play Rose against Man City. After all, both played last night so the rotation sequence is broken, it could be claimed. Of course MP could not substitute Rose directly, lest he have yet another hissy fit.

I think currently Rose is playing slightly better than Davies, but Rose simply hasn't earned it yet baby, until we know for sure he is still committed to the club.
If he is just marking out time, then for me, he should not get picked for the choice games.

The substitution that should have been made in the second half was Foyth for Winks - again with an eye to our next fixture, when surely we should play 3 at the back/Dier in midfield or else we could get destroyed.

 

[Nebby]

I have a horrible feeling that Davies coming on for a minute means MP plans to play Rose against Man City. After all, both played last night so the rotation sequence is broken, it could be claimed. Of course MP could not substitute Rose directly, lest he have yet another hissy fit.

I think currently Rose is playing slightly better than Davies, but Rose simply hasn't earned it yet baby, until we know for sure he is still committed to the club.
If he is just marking out time, then for me, he should not get picked for the choice games.

The substitution that should have been made in the second half was Foyth for Winks - again with an eye to our next fixture, when surely we should play 3 at the back/Dier in midfield or else we could get destroyed.

You never know, he might play Rose and Davies. No chance Foyth will play. He'd get ripped to shreds.