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DJS

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...Hugo's diabolical distribution is starting to infect his overall keeper play - even on the Rose near-own goal, he could have judged the flight of the ball correctly, taken a step back, and easily collected..
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How comes you start every post with ... ??
 

ardiles

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Verts has been terrific, not only today, but the whole season, so far. A true leader.
With Toby & Sanchez unavailable for a number of games, Verts form and performances have been especially crucial.
 

C0YS

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...Hugo's diabolical distribution is starting to infect his overall keeper play - even on the Rose near-own goal, he could have judged the flight of the ball correctly, taken a step back, and easily collected..
COYS

Can we stop this myth. Statistically his distribution is very good, it has been very good lately and even today his good distribution actually helped build many of our attacks. His passing accuracy is second only to Ederson.

His goal kicking accuracy is at 74% and for what its worth thats an improvement on last season. Considering the average goalkeeper accuracy is about 45% its actually very good. Even teams which play out the back struggle to match this, Cech is on 66% and Minoglet is on 69%. For what its worth Lloris attempts double the long balls Cech does and about the same Minoglet.

His passes are not simple, often he tasks with picking out fullbacks in a very technical pass. Passing is by far one the main things our goalkeeping coaching emphasis on and is one the main parts of how we build attacks. If Lloris had poor distribution he wouldn't play, I have no doubt about that.

He are articles explaining Lloris distribution -

- This article explains the way that Lloris is vital to how we build attacks

https://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/hugo-lloris-dynamic-distribution/

This was a few seasons ago and Lloris' distribution has statistically got a lot better than how they are presented in this article.

- This article contrasts Bravo and Lloris in a game which actually LLoris was criticized in, but demonstrates his confidence and the teams confidence in his ability to distribute and use his feet.

http://blog.videobserver.com/the-difference-in-distribution-hugo-lloris-vs-claudio-bravo/

Mark Schwartzer on criticism of lloris and on why Lloris makes mistakes 14.41 minutes in and why Lloris is possibly the best goalkeeper in the league.

https://audioboom.com/posts/6236296...frame-benitez-v-bilic-and-the-ederson-shuffle



People think his distribution is bad for two main reasons, conformation bias and because he is passing it out not lumping it out mistakes are easier to pick out.

LLoris has been making goalkeeping mistakes pretty often in the last year or so, it bit of a blip, it happens. Today he judged the ball badly in numerous occaisons, though on their first the biggest mistake was that our defense was all over the place. This isn't to do with his distribution.
 
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ardiles

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Our scoring form is returning. We've scored a total of eight goals in our last two games and if we had taken all our chances in both those games, we could easily have had twice that number of goals.
 

St José Dominguez

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Wouldn't surprise me if we won our next 5 incl. Utd at home. It's feeling like the season is beginning to go exactly like last season where we had a pretty dodgy spell but went on a run. We've won 4 of last 5 now. Dele started last year slow then got going just how he's starting to now.
With form of other teams we probably need to go on a run now before Liverpool away. Need Wanyama back for that game and somehow hopefully we can put in a performance away against a rival.
We're the second best team in the league in my opinion and that's where we need to aim to finish.
 

jonnyp

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Jun 11, 2006
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Can we stop this myth. Statistically his distribution is very good, it has been very good lately and even today his good distribution actually helped build many of our attacks. His passing accuracy is second only to Ederson.

His goal kicking accuracy is at 74% and for what its worth thats an improvement on last season. Considering the average goalkeeper accuracy is about 45% its actually very good. Even teams which play out the back struggle to match this, Cech is on 66% and Minoglet is on 69%. For what its worth Lloris attempts double the long balls Cech does and about the same Minoglet.

His passes are not simple, often he tasks with picking out fullbacks in a very technical pass. Passing is by far one the main things our goalkeeping coaching emphasis on and is one the main parts of how we build attacks. If Lloris had poor distribution he wouldn't play, I have no doubt about that.

He are articles explaining Lloris distribution -

- This article explains the way that Lloris is vital to how we build attacks

https://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/hugo-lloris-dynamic-distribution/

This was a few seasons ago and Lloris' distribution has statistically got a lot better than how they are presented in this article.

- This article contrasts Bravo and Lloris in a game which actually LLoris was criticized in, but demonstrates his confidence and the teams confidence in his ability to distribute and use his feet.

http://blog.videobserver.com/the-difference-in-distribution-hugo-lloris-vs-claudio-bravo/

Mark Schwartzer on criticism of lloris and on why Lloris makes mistakes 14.41 minutes in and why Lloris is possibly the best goalkeeper in the league.

https://audioboom.com/posts/6236296...frame-benitez-v-bilic-and-the-ederson-shuffle



People think his distribution is bad for two main reasons, conformation bias and because he is passing it out not lumping it out mistakes are easier to pick out.

LLoris has been making goalkeeping mistakes pretty often in the last year or so, it bit of a blip, it happens. Today he judged the ball badly in numerous occaisons, though on their first the biggest mistake was that our defense was all over the place. This isn't to do with his distribution.

Too often he will pass it to one of our players who has one or two opponents on their back and resulting in either us losing possession or to a chance for our opponents but he will still get a pass complete for that stupid decision, so purely looking at those stats is futile. How anyone who regularly watches can deny his distribution decisions are poor is beyond me. He has several of those stupid passes every game, including today.
 

shelfboy68

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Good to see we are back among the goals again 8 in two games is a good return only downside was letting in 2 today, but I put that down to being 4 up and perhaps switching off a bit bit otherwise great result and what else is left to say about Harry genius.
 

C0YS

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Jul 9, 2007
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Too often he will pass it to one of our players who has one or two opponents on their back and resulting in either us losing possession or to a chance for our opponents but he will still get a pass complete for that stupid decision, so purely looking at those stats is futile. How anyone who regularly watches can deny his distribution decisions are poor is beyond me. He has several of those stupid passes every game, including today.
The problem is people don't recognise how much he gets right pass wise. They don't pick up on it, only when he makes mistakes.

Even giving it to a player under pressure can sometimes be a good idea, if creates space somewhere else in the pitch. I mean busquets whole game is taking the ball under pressure.
 

slartibartfast

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Oct 21, 2012
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Can we stop this myth. Statistically his distribution is very good, it has been very good lately and even today his good distribution actually helped build many of our attacks. His passing accuracy is second only to Ederson.

His goal kicking accuracy is at 74% and for what its worth thats an improvement on last season. Considering the average goalkeeper accuracy is about 45% its actually very good. Even teams which play out the back struggle to match this, Cech is on 66% and Minoglet is on 69%. For what its worth Lloris attempts double the long balls Cech does and about the same Minoglet.

His passes are not simple, often he tasks with picking out fullbacks in a very technical pass. Passing is by far one the main things our goalkeeping coaching emphasis on and is one the main parts of how we build attacks. If Lloris had poor distribution he wouldn't play, I have no doubt about that.

He are articles explaining Lloris distribution -

- This article explains the way that Lloris is vital to how we build attacks

https://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/hugo-lloris-dynamic-distribution/

This was a few seasons ago and Lloris' distribution has statistically got a lot better than how they are presented in this article.

- This article contrasts Bravo and Lloris in a game which actually LLoris was criticized in, but demonstrates his confidence and the teams confidence in his ability to distribute and use his feet.

http://blog.videobserver.com/the-difference-in-distribution-hugo-lloris-vs-claudio-bravo/

Mark Schwartzer on criticism of lloris and on why Lloris makes mistakes 14.41 minutes in and why Lloris is possibly the best goalkeeper in the league.

https://audioboom.com/posts/6236296...frame-benitez-v-bilic-and-the-ederson-shuffle



People think his distribution is bad for two main reasons, conformation bias and because he is passing it out not lumping it out mistakes are easier to pick out.

LLoris has been making goalkeeping mistakes pretty often in the last year or so, it bit of a blip, it happens. Today he judged the ball badly in numerous occaisons, though on their first the biggest mistake was that our defense was all over the place. This isn't to do with his distribution.
Not slagging Lloris BUT....
That stat means fk all though does it. If he throws it out to someone who has a player behind him, to his left and his right and that player can do fuck all with ìt other than pass it back to him or he ends up making a rash pass and we conceded because of it Lloris' pass distribution stat is not affected.
He found his man.
Doesn't mean it wasn't his fault in the first place and it was a fkin ridiculous thing to do.
Stats can paint a picture anyway you want.
I watch the game. I know his distribution is shit.
 

fridgemagnet

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Dele goosing Serge o_O Son throwing shapes, Dier "That's right Ice..Man, I am dangerous!" Erikson giving it the full Danish & Moose... "Ladies, look at your man..." :LOL:



Typical family Christmas really!
 

chinaman

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Was Levy at the match? Do not remember the camera picking him up. If anyone saw him, did he have a big smile?
 
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