Stewards at WHL

[TheChosenOne]

In the nicest possible way, that's bollocks.

My point about the roaring is that supporters do not (and never have) roar for the sake of it, just to urge the team on. A roar is the one thing players need to earn. I will sing supportive chants til i'm blue in the face but a roar is generated from excitement. If you can just stand there and roar them on, you're a fucking lion.

And if you think 30 odd thousand people singing 'Stand up if you love Tottenham' doesn't help the team, you're not as bright as i thought you were. When we were playing shite around the Hoddle/Graham era and losing games left right and centre, when some were singing 'we want our tottenham back', others who were more supportive sang the 'Love Tottenham' chant to let everyone know that no matter how shit we are, we'll always love Spurs. The team always got a massive lift from it and several of them would mention the singing in the post match interviews and interviews with the papers the following week. So the fact is, chants do help.

If you're naive enough to not realise that singing funny chants at our players and theirs is a sign that we're happy, then so be it. Us fans/supporters being happy is a sign that the team are playing well enough, otherwise we wouldn't be chanting those sort of chants in the first place. When we're winning, losing or drawing, there's always a cry of COYS at corners and free kicks. That's not a roar, yet it's urging the team on. Weird that.

And if you genuinely think you get the same kind of 'roar' sitting down as you do standing up..... :duh:

I support the team and i'm a fan. I sing pro Spurs songs the whole game and support them through thick and thin. Who the fuck are you to say people that chant more than they roar are fair weather fans?

Lastly, if you genuinely go to games JUST to roar on the team and don't get involved in any banter or songs at all, then not only are you are in a vast minority, but you're probably not much fun to be around either.

Saturday's about everything. Meeting your mates, going to the pub, going to the ground, watching your team, singing, chanting, the banter with the away support if you're near them, moaning afterwards, going home, beating the wife if you're a northerner etc etc. That doesn't make me any less of a supporter. In fact, it defines me as one.

Lucid and interesting post from you there b-H.

Repworthy

 

[bournemouth yid]

Its a contenscious issue this standing up- but to be thrown out for it is a strange piece of customer service.
In the old days you had to do something violent to get chucked out.

 

[PeterboroughYids]

In the nicest possible way, that's bollocks.

Saturday's about everything. Meeting your mates, going to the pub, going to the ground, watching your team, singing, chanting, the banter with the away support if you're near them, moaning afterwards, going home, beating the wife if you're a northerner etc etc. That doesn't make me any less of a supporter. In fact, it defines me as one.

rep rep rep for you. thats the post I couldn't be arsed to write!
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I think we should sing 'stand up and support your team'

 

[Rupstoh]

Its a contenscious issue this standing up- but to be thrown out for it is a strange piece of customer service.
In the old days you had to do something violent to get chucked out.

Picture this:

Park Lane, Sunday; 20 people squeezed into a row of 22 seats.

Steward - "Please sit down"

Bloke 2 rows down, deflecting potentially being busted - "Stand up if you hate Arsenal"

All sat down, aisle seated fans fall on to steps....

Steward - "The child next to you is not supposed to be in this seat"

Swapping and changing of tickets inside the ground to accommodate Uncle, Aunt, Cousin and Dog in one line has been going on for years.

That's why the Green Team are here, employing the "Sit down please" technique.

Not rocket science.

 

[DFF]

I actually applaud them for throwing out people who start "stand up if you hate Arsenal". Pointless bollocks. Apart from that, yeah, they can generally be stewards of the bar variety.

 

[Rupstoh]

I actually applaud them for throwing out people who start "stand up if you hate Arsenal". Pointless bollocks. Apart from that, yeah, they can generally be stewards of the bar variety.

It's a minority in Park Lane that chant "SUIYHA". It's just a chant that really means "Alone? Never on my own" and has been adapted (most people think it's from the gay anthem by the Pet Shop Boys).

I watch some pricks giving the finger to the away supporters 100 metres away and they are simply embarrassing. It makes me wonder what would happen if they were thrust into the den amongst the away supporters sometimes.

One on one with a Blackpool supporter and they would probably take them to the nearest seafront-style chippy on the High Road, making sure it's the one serving hot potato in an upside-down papered cone.

The stewards do a good job. I don't mind sitting down for the game. I just get pissed off when someone 6 rows forward refuses to sit down claiming 'supporters rights'.

 

[Gin+Tonic14]

haha yeh that dude at the front was a bit of a ledgend! aswell as his mate on the gangway... indian/paki dude... everytime the Arsenal chant stopped and everyone stayed standing he'd start screaming "sit down, if you love tottenham!" :lol:

but yeh the people who were being kicked out were sitting behind rows and rows of standers?!?!? stupid green team! start at the front if you want people to sit! grrrrrr :twisted:

Your racist terminology are unwelcome on a public forum. Asian man would suffice,

 

[PeterboroughYids]

Its a contenscious issue this standing up- but to be thrown out for it is a strange piece of customer service.
In the old days you had to do something violent to get chucked out.

thats exactly why something needs to be done. the 'sit down inside the stadium' rules are bollocks. why in germany can 25000 stand behind one goal in perfect 'safe standing' areas but not in england? why can I stand on a terrace holding 3000 at peterborough on a tuesday night in perfect safety but when im at WHL on the saturday I'm asked to sit down? why are we encouraged to stand and dance around at some grounds with the shit music they play or 'stand up and sing you'll never walk alone', isn't that unsafe aswell or is it just when a ball is being kicked?? its crazy!

the taylor report is so out of date its laughable and must be looked at. the whole game has changed so much since then, the type of supporters at football has also changed but the same rules apply from donkeys years ago. the way the stadiums manage crowds is brilliant and the design of the stadiums does not allow for any raisk of fans being crushed, but still we are tied down by a law that was brought after the police and stewards allowed far too many people onto a terrace. :shrug::duh:

 

[worcestersauce]

thats exactly why something needs to be done. the 'sit down inside the stadium' rules are bollocks. why in germany can 25000 stand behind one goal in perfect 'safe standing' areas but not in england? why can I stand on a terrace holding 3000 at peterborough on a tuesday night in perfect safety but when im at WHL on the saturday I'm asked to sit down? why are we encouraged to stand and dance around at some grounds with the shit music they play or 'stand up and sing you'll never walk alone', isn't that unsafe aswell or is it just when a ball is being kicked?? its crazy!

the taylor report is so out of date its laughable and must be looked at. the whole game has changed so much since then, the type of supporters at football has also changed but the same rules apply from donkeys years ago. the way the stadiums manage crowds is brilliant and the design of the stadiums does not allow for any raisk of fans being crushed, but still we are tied down by a law that was brought after the police and stewards allowed far too many people onto a terrace. :shrug::duh:

When you say terrace you actually mean a cage for animals. Why has no one ever been called to account for introducing fencing that led to all those deaths?
They were taken down immediately after Hillsborough which immediately made the grounds safer so all seater stadiums were unnecessary.

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

In the nicest possible way, that's bollocks.

My point about the roaring is that supporters do not (and never have) roar for the sake of it, just to urge the team on. A roar is the one thing players need to earn. I will sing supportive chants til i'm blue in the face but a roar is generated from excitement. If you can just stand there and roar them on, you're a fucking lion.

And if you think 30 odd thousand people singing 'Stand up if you love Tottenham' doesn't help the team, you're not as bright as i thought you were. When we were playing shite around the Hoddle/Graham era and losing games left right and centre, when some were singing 'we want our tottenham back', others who were more supportive sang the 'Love Tottenham' chant to let everyone know that no matter how shit we are, we'll always love Spurs. The team always got a massive lift from it and several of them would mention the singing in the post match interviews and interviews with the papers the following week. So the fact is, chants do help.

If you're naive enough to not realise that singing funny chants at our players and theirs is a sign that we're happy, then so be it. Us fans/supporters being happy is a sign that the team are playing well enough, otherwise we wouldn't be chanting those sort of chants in the first place. When we're winning, losing or drawing, there's always a cry of COYS at corners and free kicks. That's not a roar, yet it's urging the team on. Weird that.

And if you genuinely think you get the same kind of 'roar' sitting down as you do standing up..... :duh:

I support the team and i'm a fan. I sing pro Spurs songs the whole game and support them through thick and thin. Who the fuck are you to say people that chant more than they roar are fair weather fans?

Lastly, if you genuinely go to games JUST to roar on the team and don't get involved in any banter or songs at all, then not only are you are in a vast minority, but you're probably not much fun to be around either.

Saturday's about everything. Meeting your mates, going to the pub, going to the ground, watching your team, singing, chanting, the banter with the away support if you're near them, moaning afterwards, going home, beating the wife if you're a northerner etc etc. That doesn't make me any less of a supporter. In fact, it defines me as one.

Clearly we disagree again. If the majority of people who watch Tottenham feel that roars of encouragement need to be "earned", then we have no hope of the team being winners. Roars should not be generated from excitement, they should be used to generate the will to win. Indeed if you have ever come out of the pub early enough to be in the ground at kick-off time, you will know that there is invariably a roar of encouragement at that time, so bang goes your argument.

I have never heard 30,000 people singing "Stand Up If you love Tottenham", and I've been watching home games regularly since 1956. The figure never reaches more than a quarter of that simply because it comes from those who wish to stand up which is nowhere near the whole crowd. In any event that song never lasts for more than a few seconds, before it is replaced with ""Stand up if you hate Arsenal", "You can stick Sol Campbell up your Arse", "Sit down you paedophile", Sit down Pinochio", "Your support is fucking shit", "Sit Down, Shut up", "My old man said be an Arsenal fan, I said fuck off bollocks you're a ****", and other equally unsavoury, inane, and disgusting, self-indulgent rubbish, which is neither intended to nor achieves the slightest iota of encouragement to the team. I am not naive enough to think that such songs came from anything other than hatred and contempt for the opposition, though that very feeling may make some fans happy, but if you're naive enough to think that it is funny, then I despair for you.
You have described what Saturday (Saturday?) means for you, but it isn't what going to Tottenham means for me, and a sizeable number of Tottenham Supporters. I go to Tottenham to support my team, not to demean the opposition. I don't go to meet friends and get drunk. I meet friends in the ground, friends I have made through going to Tottenham and supporting the team, people I therefore know I have something in common with without the impetus of alcohol. I get involved in banter, but my banter is off the cuff and results from incidents occurring in the game, it has nothing to do with synchronised chanting of hackneyed, boring ritual drivel. Very occasionally, a new chant is sung which has an element of novelty and wit: very very occasionally, but I've already listed those that are mononously repeated. What you regard as banter is more akin in the main to a ritualised expression of mutual loathing between opposing fans, which has absolutely nothing to do with the football match taking place at the same time. What you do on matchdays, does not define you as a supporter at all, it defines you as a certain type of fan. The only thing that defines a supporter, is that he or she supports the team.

I go to Tottenham with the sole intention of supporting the team. That is clearly not the only thing I do at the match - there are any number of peripheral events, but my focus is on supporting the team. The opposition are there to make up the numbers in my view. If that makes me someone you wouldn't want to be around, then that's something I'll just have to live with.

If you really can't shout loudly unless you're standing up, then I suspect a doctor's appointment might help. Having said that, when a particularly exciting phase of the game occurs, the vast majority of the crowd stand up, but those with any thought for other people, immediately sit down again, once that particular peak has passed.

The cry of "Come on you Spurs" is I agree one of the few chants which is purely designed to support the team, and does generate excitement and the will to win. It disregards the opposition and is sung to will the team to greater efforts. If that were the only type of song sung then the singers would be invariably supporting the team. In reality it is far from it.

 

[PeterboroughYids]

If you really can't shout loudly unless you're standing up, then I suspect a doctor's appointment might help. Having said that, when a particularly exciting phase of the game occurs, the vast majority of the crowd stand up, but those with any thought for other people, immediately sit down again, once that particular peak has passed.

everything you have said again shows why standing arears are required. some fans (like me!) want to stand all game, I feel more envolved when I stand and I do feel its easier to sing and support the team. others (like you) feel if fans stand for longer than the attact that they have no thought for other fans.

If there was a standing area, nobody would block your view and you could sit down all game and I would be happy standing all game without constant moans from the stewards! :clap:

the safe standing debate effects all of us, not just those who want to stand but those who don't also. :hello:

 

[wearetheparklane]

You lot are going around in circles!! You're different people and that's all their is to it. WHoever is in the majority will eventually prevail i presume.

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

everything you have said again shows why standing arears are required. some fans (like me!) want to stand all game, I feel more envolved when I stand and I do feel its easier to sing and support the team. others (like you) feel if fans stand for longer than the attact that they have no thought for other fans.

If there was a standing area, nobody would block your view and you could sit down all game and I would be happy standing all game without constant moans from the stewards! :clap:

the safe standing debate effects all of us, not just those who want to stand but those who don't also. :hello:

Those who want to stand in the game, when the regulations state that they can't, need as I said much earlier in this thread to come up with suggestions for a design that will minimise any safety risks from standing. With the best will in the world, no one in this thread, nor on the site that has been promoted here, has come up with anything in the way of design. "Setting aside the least unsafe area for a test" is not a design suggestion, nor is suggesting there is not much of a problem, nor suggesting that the use of fences, which was actually an attempt to minimise the effects of hooliganism, is the reason that standing suddenly became dangerous.

The only argument I have against people standing at WHL, as long as it's nowhere near my seat, is that it threatens the use of the ground as a football stadium for Tottenham Hotspur. For those hard of thinking, I am not talking about occasionally standing up in excitement, I am talking about everyone, or at least the vast majority of fans standing all the time in a particular area designed for seating.

So, those who want to stand and not risk ejection for doing so, need to put their collective thinking caps on, to come up with suggestions to make their requirement a practical proposition. Whingeing and signing petitions won't get what you want.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

It's comparable to the smoking ban - the obvious and most sensible option is to offer both as mixing smokers and non's just doesn't work and causes friction, but it seems that those "who know better" have decided we can't be trusted with that kind of common sense response as we'd only hurt ourselves, so they've said no choices - sit or get booted.

The fact that they then apply that in fits and starts to some and not to others, bothering home fans and not away and, as stated by many of you, chucking people out when theres ten rows of standing people in front of them is just a-grade retarded.

 

[worcestersauce]

Does anybody know what happens at other grounds?
Do they eject people at the emirates for starting "stand up if you hate Tottenham"?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Does anybody know what happens at other grounds?
Do they eject people at the emirates for starting "stand up if you hate Tottenham"?

Well even if they do it's far easier to pick that one bloke out of the crowd as all the Woolwich fans would look up from their books/mobile phones and stare at him going "shhh!", that'd make it a bit obvious :shrug:

 

[justfookinhitit]

Those who want to stand in the game, when the regulations state that they can't, need as I said much earlier in this thread to come up with suggestions for a design that will minimise any safety risks from standing. With the best will in the world, no one in this thread, nor on the site that has been promoted here, has come up with anything in the way of design. "Setting aside the least unsafe area for a test" is not a design suggestion, nor is suggesting there is not much of a problem, nor suggesting that the use of fences, which was actually an attempt to minimise the effects of hooliganism, is the reason that standing suddenly became dangerous.

The only argument I have against people standing at WHL, as long as it's nowhere near my seat, is that it threatens the use of the ground as a football stadium for Tottenham Hotspur. For those hard of thinking, I am not talking about occasionally standing up in excitement, I am talking about everyone, or at least the vast majority of fans standing all the time in a particular area designed for seating.

So, those who want to stand and not risk ejection for doing so, need to put their collective thinking caps on, to come up with suggestions to make their requirement a practical proposition. Whingeing and signing petitions won't get what you want.

Arthur Arthur Arthur,

PeterboroughYids has been saying throughout his threads on this topic that there is a movement working to have standing areas reintroduced into Prem League stadia. There are very good examples in Germany where standing areas have been created in such a way that are far safer than pre-Hillsborough. The suggestion of the movement is for the Premier League to seriously consider the architectural infrastructure that has been successfully deployed in Germany, so that should cover your "design question" point. Why should they try to dream up another design idea if one pre-exists that is proving to be successful?

These fans HAVE put their thinking caps on, they have formed a movement that is campaigning for standing areas in stadia, they have found examples where standing areas are both successful and safe and they are broadcasting that information out to the wider football-supporting population as well as the Premier League. They are not just whingeing and signing petitions and you suggesting that is solely the case is at best ill-informed and at worst downright patronising to them.

 

[wishmaster]

As mentioned before i have worked as a flourescent storm trooper steward in the south stand and as security more resently in the suoth stahnd Mabbutt lounge, the green team think there like the elite gaurd, a law unto themselves, many times i have witnessed them bragging that they took a dislike to a supporter and got them removed, there all idiotic morons, hence i dont work there no more. I agree there has got to be a little bit of stewarding to keep the drunks from swearing out loud and starting fights but to throw someone out for the things i have witnessed is bang out of order.If your reading green team then you know who i am. butt heads.

 

[Kendall]

I don't agree that there are as many safety risks when standing as the powers that be would like you to believe.

the main problems, imo, were the fucking barriers between the stands and the pitch.

see hillsborough for more

 

[justfookinhitit]

As mentioned before i have worked as a flourescent storm trooper steward in the south stand and as security more resently in the suoth stahnd Mabbutt lounge, the green team think there like the elite gaurd, a law unto themselves, many times i have witnessed them bragging that they took a dislike to a supporter and got them removed, there all idiotic morons, hence i dont work there no more. I agree there has got to be a little bit of stewarding to keep the drunks from swearing out loud and starting fights but to throw someone out for the things i have witnessed is bang out of order.If your reading green team then you know who i am. butt heads.

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