Stewards at WHL

[PeterboroughYids]

well said 'justfookinghitit'

arthur, I don't see how you can say that a decent argument isn't being put forward when we talk about Germany. If its working perfectly well in Germany (which it is) what would be any different to the English game. Borussia Dortmund have 25000 fans behind one goal and the club do not even have an accident report, that says it all really.

as for a design, just like this :

The only argument I have against people standing at WHL, as long as it's nowhere near my seat, is that it threatens the use of the ground as a football stadium for Tottenham Hotspur

Then your only argument is flawed. The FLA have NEVER closed or even threatened to close a stand or a stadium due to standing. I personally would love them to shut the south stand for a match due to persistent standing because the publicity it would bring to the problem would be huge...

 

[Flatters]

Why does everyone have such a problem with chanting stand up if you hate Arsenal?

Edit: Don't worry. See my thread instead. :up:

 

[Rupstoh]

Why does everyone have such a problem with chanting stand up if you hate Arsenal?

Edit: Don't worry. See my thread instead. :up:

It's a tad boring now for us golden-oldens to be honest Flatters.

There's more imaginative songs surely?

The 'sit down, you paedofile' chant is just an insult too and it's odd that in the last few years, whenever that chant has been started (home and away), the gooners score against us.

I suspect that the energy our fans supply to insult Wenger, the tactician, has been embedded into their players to hurt us more.

 

[whatsappnin]

Here here!!!!

Finally! You will get a lot of plebs on this site mate that stick up for that chant. I can just hear anyone associated with the "other" North London club quivering in their slippers hearing that chant.

If you can't sing about your own team, then don't sing at all!

a mate of mine who sadly is a gunner says the do the same at Arsenal about us which is just as boring as it is for us

 

[bomberH]

Clearly we disagree again. If the majority of people who watch Tottenham feel that roars of encouragement need to be "earned", then we have no hope of the team being winners. Roars should not be generated from excitement, they should be used to generate the will to win. Indeed if you have ever come out of the pub early enough to be in the ground at kick-off time, you will know that there is invariably a roar of encouragement at that time, so bang goes your argument.

I have never heard 30,000 people singing "Stand Up If you love Tottenham", and I've been watching home games regularly since 1956. The figure never reaches more than a quarter of that simply because it comes from those who wish to stand up which is nowhere near the whole crowd. In any event that song never lasts for more than a few seconds, before it is replaced with ""Stand up if you hate Arsenal", "You can stick Sol Campbell up your Arse", "Sit down you paedophile", Sit down Pinochio", "Your support is fucking shit", "Sit Down, Shut up", "My old man said be an Arsenal fan, I said fuck off bollocks you're a ****", and other equally unsavoury, inane, and disgusting, self-indulgent rubbish, which is neither intended to nor achieves the slightest iota of encouragement to the team. I am not naive enough to think that such songs came from anything other than hatred and contempt for the opposition, though that very feeling may make some fans happy, but if you're naive enough to think that it is funny, then I despair for you.
You have described what Saturday (Saturday?) means for you, but it isn't what going to Tottenham means for me, and a sizeable number of Tottenham Supporters. I go to Tottenham to support my team, not to demean the opposition. I don't go to meet friends and get drunk. I meet friends in the ground, friends I have made through going to Tottenham and supporting the team, people I therefore know I have something in common with without the impetus of alcohol. I get involved in banter, but my banter is off the cuff and results from incidents occurring in the game, it has nothing to do with synchronised chanting of hackneyed, boring ritual drivel. Very occasionally, a new chant is sung which has an element of novelty and wit: very very occasionally, but I've already listed those that are mononously repeated. What you regard as banter is more akin in the main to a ritualised expression of mutual loathing between opposing fans, which has absolutely nothing to do with the football match taking place at the same time. What you do on matchdays, does not define you as a supporter at all, it defines you as a certain type of fan. The only thing that defines a supporter, is that he or she supports the team.

I go to Tottenham with the sole intention of supporting the team. That is clearly not the only thing I do at the match - there are any number of peripheral events, but my focus is on supporting the team. The opposition are there to make up the numbers in my view. If that makes me someone you wouldn't want to be around, then that's something I'll just have to live with.

If you really can't shout loudly unless you're standing up, then I suspect a doctor's appointment might help. Having said that, when a particularly exciting phase of the game occurs, the vast majority of the crowd stand up, but those with any thought for other people, immediately sit down again, once that particular peak has passed.

The cry of "Come on you Spurs" is I agree one of the few chants which is purely designed to support the team, and does generate excitement and the will to win. It disregards the opposition and is sung to will the team to greater efforts. If that were the only type of song sung then the singers would be invariably supporting the team. In reality it is far from it.

Wow. Some good stereotyping there Arthur.

Firstly, you think that just because people meet in a pub, they have to get pissed? I'm pretty sure i have never drunk one sip of alcohol when i have been to a Spurs match. So all your rants about alcohol have fallen flat. Really, really flat. And as i re-read your post, quite a lot of it was about the alcochol. Dear me.

Oh, and i am always in the ground around half hour (15 minutes at least) before kick off as i like to lap up the atmosphere when i get in there. So your argument there has died too. That roar you're talking about only happens at kick off, as it does in every ground in the world.

Roars occur regularly throughout a match but mainly when either we're attacking or when we're playing shite and the fans are trying to urge them on. That doesn't happen too often during a game as a whole so you're saying if you're not prepared to roar your team on in encouragement, then don't bother with the chants either. You're talking rubbish. I chant, i roar, i never ever boo, i sing songs about our players, i sing derogatory songs about their players, go mental when we score, cheer them on when we've just conceded. All of it is part of the game and i believe all the above helps.

I agree about the hate arsenal song, and that it's mainly used to stand up and annoy the stewards, but you obviously didn't go too much in the late 90's/early millenium if you never heard the massive chants of Stand up if you love Tottenham, purely used to get behind the team and let the players and board know that no matter how rubbish we were, it was still all about Tottenham.

You call the chants 'unsavoury, inane, and disgusting, self-indulgent rubbish'. And you wonder why people might think you may well have had a sense of humour tumour? For the vast majority, the chants are funny. There may be the odd sick one or two, but that's taking nothing away from the genuinely funny one. There's fucking bundles of pro Spurs chants, like (RIP) Martin Jol's Blue & White Army, Yids Yids Yids, Tottenham Til I Die, YIDIO, We Are The Tottenham Boys (yes it contains a section of abuse against Arsenal before you moan, but the loudest part of the chant is reserved for 'Hello, Hello, We are the Tottenham boys). You may not know this, but these are still regularly sung in the Park Lane and believe it or not, are sung to encourage the team.

You despair for me because i might find some of the chants funny? Cheers mate. I despair for your massive lack of personality. If you genuinely don't find any chant funny, then, despite what you and your (probably very small) circle of friends think, you're on your own.

I won't even bother with your comments on sitting down and roaring. If you can't see the difference, then you're just weird. Ask any performer if their voice is better projected sitting down or standing up and i think i know the answer you'll get. It ain't rocket science.

Lastly, you say you go to Spurs solely to support the team. Brilliant. Well done you. I go to support the team and enjoy the day as much as i can with mates. Obviously for some reason, that makes you a much better supporter than me. Congrats. You're the best.

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't agree that there are as many safety risks when standing as the powers that be would like you to believe.

the main problems, imo, were the fucking barriers between the stands and the pitch.

see hillsborough for more

The barriers and incompetent policing.

In reality, there have been remarkably few disasters. Hillsborough, Ibrox in about 1970, and one at Bolton just after WWII. And the fire at Bradford. I'm pretty sure that's about it.

Nanny state nonsense.

 

[Spurs4Life23]

You think the green team at Spurs is bad. You obviously haven't been to the cricket at The Oval/Lords much worse they throw you out for anything - but thats a whole different thread.

In conclusion the green team are a bunch of poor, power-hungry losers who like lording it over us when we go to watch any kind of sporting event.:shake:

 

[PeterboroughYids]

The barriers and incompetent policing.

In reality, there have been remarkably few disasters. Hillsborough, Ibrox in about 1970, and one at Bolton just after WWII. And the fire at Bradford. I'm pretty sure that's about it.

Nanny state nonsense.

and the authorites have no balls to sort it out as for them its just easier leaving it as it is. The vast majority of supports feel thats its a stupid law and slowly the arguments against safe standing are being outed as total shite.

The more pressure that is put on the authorites by the fans the more they will have to listen. At the moment my match day experience is made worse due to the constant games with the stewards and it really really gets to me as its such a stupid law thats about 18 years out of date, the game to totally different now!! If you feel the same way as I do please get involved with SUSD...

England

Germany

:bang:

 

[Rocksuperstar]

You think the green team at Spurs is bad. You obviously haven't been to the cricket at The Oval/Lords much worse they throw you out for anything - but thats a whole different thread.

In conclusion the green team are a bunch of poor, power-hungry losers who like lording it over us when we go to watch any kind of sporting event.:shake:

Dude, at Lords they use the air-force or the army or something to stand at the entrances to the stands, it's a bit different :lol:

And besides, it's only right you're not wandering about mid-over, distracting the players and other such tomfoolery - not on! :up:

 

[Chris12345]

Your racist terminology are unwelcome on a public forum. Asian man would suffice,

He was working with a middle eastern dude... I wanted to distinguish... sorry for offending you...

(FYI, the entire mums side of my family is Indian)

 

[worcestersauce]

I read it as innocent enough, I suspect it was the term Paki that raised hackles maybe Pakistani would have been better (it certainly can't be called racist) but to be honest I think some people are a bit too touchy on the subject and should loosen up a bit, it was clearly not a racist remark.

 

[waresy]

i cant see why you cant stand up, its not like its terraced and could be crsuhed. Where everyone has a seat they have enough room to stand safely without worry.
The constant reminders about the clubs license, surely by now something would have been done or are the football licensing authority not doing anything?

 

[PeterboroughYids]

i cant see why you cant stand up, its not like its terraced and could be crsuhed. Where everyone has a seat they have enough room to stand safely without worry.
The constant reminders about the clubs license, surely by now something would have been done or are the football licensing authority not doing anything?

the FLA are sitting on their hands. they know that the current rules are not working but its a lot easier for them to leave it as it is instead of grabbing the bull by the horns and making the game better for all of us. SUSD will keep on trucking as will the FSF. :clap: