Match Threads Stoke vs Tottenham Hotspur - Match Thread

[slartibartfast]

And when I name evident shortcomings in Kane's form I get shit slung at me. Can't have it both ways.

Thats because highlighting the shortcomings for a player whose just won the Golden boot 2 seasons on the bounce is frankly idiotic.

 

[UbeAstard]

Some people are still in denial about Lloris. I can understand that because it's really hard to be critical of someone everybody loves and has been genuinely loyal to us over the years.

Truth is this season he's made a lot of mistakes. Hurried kicks in possession, sweeping errors like yesterday, flapping at crosses and the most common for me is poor positioning especially for one on ones.

Of course there's been a lot of good stuff too, but previously we were getting a lot less of these mistakes. The Lloris of a couple of years ago was a different animal to this one unfortunately.

You'll always find people who can defend our underperforming players, Jenas, Soldado, Jansen, Lamela, Sissoko, Nkoudou (Lamela has improved for me and maybe Jenas was slightly better than i thought at the time). I just have to concede we all lok at things differently.

 

[UbeAstard]

And when I name evident shortcomings in Kane's form I get shit slung at me. Can't have it both ways.

Stats show Kane is the best forward in the premierleague, arguably world class, they dont show Lloris as top keeper.

 

[sebo_sek]

Thats because highlighting the shortcomings for a player whose just won the Golden boot 2 seasons on the bounce is frankly idiotic.

And highlighting the shortcomings for one of the most consistent golden glove candidate season after season is not?

 

[sebo_sek]

Stats show Kane is the best forward in the premierleague, arguably world class, they dont show Lloris as top keeper.

Did you even look at the stats? Just for this year: Fourth best as far as goals conceded, third best for clean sheets, more saves than courtois and ederson, SECOND Best for SWEEPER CLEARANCES.

 

[Gb160]

Did you even look at the stats? Just for this year: Fourth best as far as goals conceded, third best for clean sheets, more saves than courtois and ederson, SECOND Best for SWEEPER CLEARANCES.

To me, criticising either is a bit silly.
It's just unnecessary nitpicking really, we won't get a better striker than Harry and I doubt we could attract a better keeper than Hugo.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

"Continuously letting in soft goals".

Yes, he makes mistakes. We've covered that, and the reasons why he does, and how it is not just a reflection of his ability and judgement but the whole team's. If he stayed closer to his line yesterday, we possibly would not have conceded a goal. That's part of the deal with Hugo, just like Harry not passing to a better-placed attacker and thereby costing us a goal is part of his game.

I think Hugo is better than many people here give him credit for, because they judge him on his mistakes and not on his contribution to the team.

And yes, we should always be trying to improve. That is the minimum requirement for every football team.

All you “covered” was that we play a certain way and that it way involves Lloris fitting into that system, you didn’t cover Lloris making poor choices within that remit or the other mistakes he makes that are nothing to do with any system we play, they are just mistakes or poor goalkeeping.

I have no problem with a pro-active keeper that is consistent in his approach. I can forgive Lloris when he comes out for crosses and doesn’t quite get it right, like last week, but what he does on 1v1’s has been piss poor quite a few times, he also seems to struggle with low shots.

I think he’s a keeper who’s good at various things, but not great at any. He does fit our style, but like other areas of our our team, he does come with inherent deficiencies.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

All you “covered” was that we play a certain way and that it way involves Lloris fitting into that system, you didn’t cover Lloris making poor choices within that remit or the other mistakes he makes that are nothing to do with any system we play, they are just mistakes or poor goalkeeping.

I have no problem with a pro-active keeper that is consistent in his approach. I can forgive Lloris when he comes out for crosses and doesn’t quite get it right, like last week, but what he does on 1v1’s has been piss poor quite a few times, he also seems to struggle with low shots.

I think he’s a keeper who’s good at various things, but not great at any. He does fit our style, but like other areas of our our team, he does come with inherent deficiencies.

Not great at anything? He's one of the very best I've ever seen from Pat Jennings and Gordon Banks on at anticipating where danger is coming from and reacting more quickly than anyone else. He's not perfect but you make it sound as though perfection is available elsewhere.

 

[MiamiYiddo]

Was there a Spurs player the Stoke fans didn't boo today? They are a strange bunch.

Theyre booing cos they've got to live in stoke

 

[TheChosenOne]

Sky Sports highlights just started CH.402

 

[Trix]

Sky Sports highlights just started CH.402

Highlights of that game will last all of three minutes.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Highlights of that game will last all of three minutes.

Was better watching and knowing there was no sting in the tail.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

All you “covered” was that we play a certain way and that it way involves Lloris fitting into that system, you didn’t cover Lloris making poor choices within that remit or the other mistakes he makes that are nothing to do with any system we play, they are just mistakes or poor goalkeeping.

I have no problem with a pro-active keeper that is consistent in his approach. I can forgive Lloris when he comes out for crosses and doesn’t quite get it right, like last week, but what he does on 1v1’s has been piss poor quite a few times, he also seems to struggle with low shots.

I think he’s a keeper who’s good at various things, but not great at any. He does fit our style, but like other areas of our our team, he does come with inherent deficiencies.

Totally disagree that he comes with "inherent deficiencies". That's just untrue. .

Anyone who doubts his ability and the number of points our Captain has saved us of his two hundred game stint with us, just needs to jog over to this link and look in bewilderment at just how foolish they sound.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEg25rdRZXg32iwai6N6l0w

"Inherent deficiencies" my arse.

Just too many self entitled, band wagon jumpers, who expect faultless football from our goalkeeper in here. Undefeated this year, and equaling a club record at the same time and yet, they must find a scapegoat, someone to nail after a lucky deflection led to a conceded goal.

I truly feel sorry for those who were not around or even born when the great Kasey Keller (yes i am being serious), Neil Sullivan, Ian Walker (he who was vertically challenged), guarded the sticks.

In the PL this year we have kept six clean sheets conceding just six goals, two of which were against Liverpool. I was present (not that long ago) when they put seven past us at Anfield and believe me you, those days are far gone so be grateful what you wish for.

No goalkeeper is faultless, but Hugo is up there among our best of Jennings, Clemence, Thorstvedt, Brown and Ditchburn

 

[Sweetsman]

I do. TBH he did very little yet again. I dare say, on current form, had he started against Chelski, the result might have been a whole lot different. I love Kane as much as the next supporter, but his form of late has been pretty average. Not having a dig, and I don't want him sold (just to clarify), but he is no longer the biggest threat we posses. On current form.


I don't know if I mentioned, that I'm commenting his current form. I think he is brilliant, but his current form is lacking of late, when you consider his current form. I wouldn't dream of selling him, but his current form, you know.

Oh, fuck it, just pour the dishwater on my head...

Pssst, Kane, I'm a huge fan

I think it's a bit embarrassing him being so desperate for the goal that he did very little for.

 

[Gb160]

I do. TBH he did very little yet again. I dare say, on current form, had he started against Chelski, the result might have been a whole lot different. I love Kane as much as the next supporter, but his form of late has been pretty average. Not having a dig, and I don't want him sold (just to clarify), but he is no longer the biggest threat we posses. On current form.


I don't know if I mentioned, that I'm commenting his current form. I think he is brilliant, but his current form is lacking of late, when you consider his current form. I wouldn't dream of selling him, but his current form, you know.

Oh, fuck it, just pour the dishwater on my head...

Pssst, Kane, I'm a huge fan

So just to be clear, when talking about on current form, you're talking about 20 mins vs Chelsea, and 90 vs Stoke? When the guy hasnt kicked a ball for a month?

He's no longer our biggest threat based on this? lol.

 

[sebo_sek]

So just to be clear, when talking about on current form, you're talking about 20 mins vs Chelsea, and 90 vs Stoke? When the guy hasnt kicked a ball for a month?

He's no longer our biggest threat based on this? lol.

Actually it started before his injury. But the rose tinted glasses are obscuring your view. Players have rises and drops in form. The hypocrisy of this site is that when Kane has one, it's no problem because it's Kane, but when it's lloris, the best goalkeeper we've had for 3 decades, he's fair game and the firing squad get ready. Both are amazing players so treat them the same. That's all Im saying.

 

[Gb160]

Actually it started before his injury. But the rose tinted glasses are obscuring your view. Players have rises and drops in form. The hypocrisy of this site is that when Kane has one, it's no problem because it's Kane, but when it's lloris, the best goalkeeper we've had for 3 decades, he's fair game and the firing squad get ready. Both are amazing players so treat them the same. That's all Im saying.

Its not rose tinted, some people are reluctant to criticise him because he's one of the best strikers in the world who is just back from injury... it's ridiculous really.
Im really not understanding where you're getting this out of form nonsense from with him, even when he doesn't score he's an absolute nuisance for defenders to deal with, and his hold up play is excellent.

IMO Lloris has a hell of a lot of credit in the bank as well, as you just said, probably the best keeper we've had in decades, yet a couple of dodgy decisions and he's getting it in the neck by the knee-jerkers on here.

 

[slartibartfast]

And highlighting the shortcomings for one of the most consistent golden glove candidate season after season is not?

I never said anything about Lloris.
And being a 'candidate' is the not the same as winning it twice on the bounce.
For what its worth imo Lloris is up for criticism and has been for ages. His distribution has always been questionable bordering on woeful imo but his shot stopping and reaction speed has been fantastic so we shouldn't get too carrried away just because he has made a few blunders recently.
It would be very hard for us to get in a better keeper than Lloris and he is a vital integral part of this team and its philosophy.

 

[jonnyp]

All you “covered” was that we play a certain way and that it way involves Lloris fitting into that system, you didn’t cover Lloris making poor choices within that remit or the other mistakes he makes that are nothing to do with any system we play, they are just mistakes or poor goalkeeping.

I have no problem with a pro-active keeper that is consistent in his approach. I can forgive Lloris when he comes out for crosses and doesn’t quite get it right, like last week, but what he does on 1v1’s has been piss poor quite a few times, he also seems to struggle with low shots.

I think he’s a keeper who’s good at various things, but not great at any. He does fit our style, but like other areas of our our team, he does come with inherent deficiencies.

I agree he's bad at 1vs1's and low shots, especially those from angles. Why he can't be coached to keep standing up and making himself large is beyond me. Just take a look at De Gea for reference.

EDIT: tiger, I cannot fathom you find it funny or disagree with this. It's bloody obvious if you watch a lot of the goals he lets in.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Totally disagree that he comes with "inherent deficiencies". That's just untrue. .

Anyone who doubts his ability and the number of points our Captain has saved us of his two hundred game stint with us, just needs to jog over to this link and look in bewilderment at just how foolish they sound.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEg25rdRZXg32iwai6N6l0w

"Inherent deficiencies" my arse.

Just too many self entitled, band wagon jumpers, who expect faultless football from our goalkeeper in here. Undefeated this year, and equaling a club record at the same time and yet, they must find a scapegoat, someone to nail after a lucky deflection led to a conceded goal.

I truly feel sorry for those who were not around or even born when the great Kasey Keller (yes i am being serious), Neil Sullivan, Ian Walker (he who was vertically challenged), guarded the sticks.

In the PL this year we have kept six clean sheets conceding just six goals, two of which were against Liverpool. I was present (not that long ago) when they put seven past us at Anfield and believe me you, those days are far gone so be grateful what you wish for.

No goalkeeper is faultless, but Hugo is up there among our best of Jennings, Clemence, Thorstvedt, Brown and Ditchburn