Match Threads Stoke vs Tottenham Hotspur - Match Thread

[WexfordTownSpur]

Watched MOTD... If Hugo doesn't take the chance, wotsisname is through on goal anyway, and likely scores... It was a case of him being brave and committing himself, yet getting unlucky with the clearance and rebound.

Better keepers have made worse mistakes. I still applaud him.

Would blame Hugo too much for that one, I think the attacker just got lucky on this occasion, ball could have gone anywhere. However he did make a clanger last week no excuse for that one. But he is still one of the best keepers in the league but definitely not at his highest standard this season.

 

[WiganSpur]

Its not rose tinted, some people are reluctant to criticise him because he's one of the best strikers in the world who is just back from injury... it's ridiculous really.
Im really not understanding where you're getting this out of form nonsense from with him, even when he doesn't score he's an absolute nuisance for defenders to deal with, and his hold up play is excellent.

IMO Lloris has a hell of a lot of credit in the bank as well, as you just said, probably the best keeper we've had in decades, yet a couple of dodgy decisions and he's getting it in the neck by the knee-jerkers on here.

What's changed though is the margin for error is no longer the same as it was a few years ago and Lloris has suffered from that. We're not just a top 6 club anymore, we're a team that wants to be challenging in the latter stages of the Champions League and for the title too.

 

[Gb160]

What's changed though is the margin for error is no longer the same as it was a few years ago and Lloris has suffered from that. We're not just a top 6 club anymore, we're a team that wants to be challenging in the latter stages of the Champions League and for the title too.

Not sure margin of error has got anything to do with it.
His recent mistakes have cost us a grand total of zero points, nada, zilch...yet still people are whinging about him.
I think its a bit laughable that people think he can be easily replaced.
On our wage structure, hes as good as we're gonna get imo.

As has been mentioned, if a striker misses an easy chance no-ones calling for him to be replaced...but a goalkeeper error can very often lead to a goal conceded, so it gets highlighted more.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

What's changed though is the margin for error is no longer the same as it was a few years ago and Lloris has suffered from that. We're not just a top 6 club anymore, we're a team that wants to be challenging in the latter stages of the Champions League and for the title too.

I'd like to know who, realistically, we could get who is better.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Would blame Hugo too much for that one, I think the attacker just got lucky on this occasion, ball could have gone anywhere. However he did make a clanger last week no excuse for that one. But he is still one of the best keepers in the league but definitely not at his highest standard this season.

Why, because he's made 5 mistakes all season? Every keeper probably makes that many every year. He still pulls off match winning saves every game. He's as good as he ever was.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Totally disagree that he comes with "inherent deficiencies". That's just untrue. .

Anyone who doubts his ability and the number of points our Captain has saved us of his two hundred game stint with us, just needs to jog over to this link and look in bewilderment at just how foolish they sound.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEg25rdRZXg32iwai6N6l0w

"Inherent deficiencies" my arse.

Just too many self entitled, band wagon jumpers, who expect faultless football from our goalkeeper in here. Undefeated this year, and equaling a club record at the same time and yet, they must find a scapegoat, someone to nail after a lucky deflection led to a conceded goal.

I truly feel sorry for those who were not around or even born when the great Kasey Keller (yes i am being serious), Neil Sullivan, Ian Walker (he who was vertically challenged), guarded the sticks.

In the PL this year we have kept six clean sheets conceding just six goals, two of which were against Liverpool. I was present (not that long ago) when they put seven past us at Anfield and believe me you, those days are far gone so be grateful what you wish for.

No goalkeeper is faultless, but Hugo is up there among our best of Jennings, Clemence, Thorstvedt, Brown and Ditchburn

It’s not the untrue and it never was, even at Lyon he was not faultless.

I agree, he’s up there with some of our best keepers we’ve had, I only go back as far as Jennings, but part that is that we’ve had an absolute shitload of shit keepers.

You can’t watch some of the things he does and say he doesn’t have deficiencies. So many times in big games, going back to ManC away mullering under AVB were directly attributable to errors he makes.

I haven’t seen a more bizarre bit of keeping than what he did to Salah for Liverpool’s first goal at anfield this year. It was bonkers.

The flap at Chelsea I can easily forgive, but whacking the ball at Diouf on Saturday was piss poor.

And rarely a game goes by when he doesn’t play a defender into trouble with a poor choice to pass instead of clear.

Again, I have no problem with us playing out, but a stupid pass is a stupid pass no matter how you tactically play, and where on the pitch it’s played, but is even more stupid when you do it from your own penalty box.

As I say, as an all rounder, I think it wouldn’t be too easy to upgrade, but he’s far from perfect and his errors - and I mean very avoidable errors - have cost us goals and you can’t just ignore them, no one else gets a free ride, and Gomes certainly didn’t.

 

[UbeAstard]

Why, because he's made 5 mistakes all season? Every keeper probably makes that many every year. He still pulls off match winning saves every game. He's as good as he ever was.

Some keepers are pulling off match winning saves every game without goal losing errors. Not whinging or saying he needs to be changed, I'm just one of a number of people who arent rose tinted and can have a discussion about what went wrong, even though we acheived the right result this time.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Some keepers are pulling off match winning saves every game without goal losing errors. Not whinging or saying he needs to be changed, I'm just one of a number of people who arent rose tinted and can have a discussion about what went wrong, even though we acheived the right result this time.

And so is Hugo. Across 60 games per season, 5 errors is negligible, especially when we're still the only unbeaten side in 2018 and he saves us in each of those games. And nothing went wrong this time, he committed himself because it was a near certain goal scoring opportunity and he had to do something.

 

[alfie103]

And so is Hugo. Across 60 games per season, 5 errors is negligible, especially when we're still the only unbeaten side in 2018 and he saves us in each of those games. And nothing went wrong this time, he committed himself because it was a near certain goal scoring opportunity and he had to do something.

He saves us? I really don't think he saves us. He is just making routine saves for a premier league goalkeeper.

 

[UbeAstard]

And so is Hugo. Across 60 games per season, 5 errors is negligible, especially when we're still the only unbeaten side in 2018 and he saves us in each of those games. And nothing went wrong this time, he committed himself because it was a near certain goal scoring opportunity and he had to do something.

If he is top of the list for errors (ok 2nd with 5 errors for pedantics) leading to goals and you think thats negligible, then in my opinion rosy tinted comes to mind.

 

[Gassin's finest]

If he is top of the list for errors (ok 2nd with 5 errors for pedantics) leading to goals and you think thats negligible, then in my opinion rosy tinted comes to mind.

No, it's not letting stats override footballing common sense.

 

[Gassin's finest]

He saves us? I really don't think he saves us. He is just making routine saves for a premier league goalkeeper.

Are we really underplaying what it is that our best goalkeeper since Jennings does for us? Why do football fans seek to undermine their players, instead of support them and back them to the hilt? Especially ones who are genuinely committed to us?

Don't get it.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

And so is Hugo. Across 60 games per season, 5 errors is negligible, especially when we're still the only unbeaten side in 2018 and he saves us in each of those games. And nothing went wrong this time, he committed himself because it was a near certain goal scoring opportunity and he had to do something.

Stop making sense.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

And so is Hugo. Across 60 games per season, 5 errors is negligible, especially when we're still the only unbeaten side in 2018 and he saves us in each of those games. And nothing went wrong this time, he committed himself because it was a near certain goal scoring opportunity and he had to do something.

It’s not just 5 errors in 60 games, it’s 5 errors directly resulting in goals.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Are we really underplaying what it is that our best goalkeeper since Jennings does for us? Why do football fans seek to undermine their players, instead of support them and back them to the hilt? Especially ones who are genuinely committed to us?

Don't get it.

He’s more committed to his 4m wages and Pochettino (he’s said himself his future is tied to Pochettino) than he is Spurs per se.

And nobody is underplaying his contribution, just being realistic about it.

No one wants him birched, but it’s ok to say “he makes mistakes”, because he does.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Why, because he's made 5 mistakes all season? Every keeper probably makes that many every year. He still pulls off match winning saves every game. He's as good as he ever was.

No because I think he has made more mistakes than he has last season, he’s distribution doesn’t seem as good. And I feel he lacks confidence and voice required at times especially for the captain of the team. This is just my opinion right or wrong. I feel he is not as good as he was last year. But like many players he has had a dip But just also to say, he is still one of the best goalkeepers in the league and I would not want him to leave!

 

[dricha1]

Can the thread be updated to show Kane’s goal please....;-)

 

[Dougal]

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