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Sweech

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I’d definitely go for like Shaw, really fits the mound of what has succeeded with us and already loves our manager. When Utd signed him he was a certainty for this summer’s World Cup, probably as first choice, now pretty much completely thanks to Mourinho that’s definitely not going to happen.

Pochettino would be getting a young, hungry left back with bags of ability, a lot to prove, who has far more going for him than Rose did at the same age, and one who he’s worked with very successfully before.
I'm really skeptical of Shaw.

He hasn't played in years now and I think his development has not only stalled, but likely gone quite far backwards.

I think we'd be much better off going for someone else.
 

Snuzzy

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he made a number of appearences and had a decent season by all accounts in 2012-13 and then obviously had that amazing season where he got LB of the year in 2013-2014.

He "may" have peaked but I see no evidence for that
Dude you pretty much directly provided evidence immediately before you said "I see no evidence". Now it's not proof, but the fact that his best season was 4 years ago and his second-best season was 5 years ago is DEFINITELY evidence
 

Bus-Conductor

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I’m certainly qualified to talk on his abilities, so no knee-jerk. He is max 25-30m player, based on what he has achieved. No way 60m, and I wouldn’t spend that in him neither. I would love him here, but not at a ridiculous price.

There's a difference between being over priced and overrated though. There are very few 17yo's doing what he's doing, and he's doing it pretty consistently. 50m might seem like a lot, and I agree it does, but in this crazy market? Mbappe goes for 180m and you think hmm...
 

BringBack_leGin

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Dude you pretty much directly provided evidence immediately before you said "I see no evidence". Now it's not proof, but the fact that his best season was 4 years ago and his second-best season was 5 years ago is DEFINITELY evidence

Very much agree that there is basis for your scepticism, but at 22 Rose is a player most of us would’ve driven to Sunderland and look at what Pochettino did with him. Obviously there is a big risk factor with Shaw based on the past 3 seasons but that’s for our scouts to assess. What I would say is that the list of young players who have been far better post Mourinho is a long one. Again, not reason to sign Shaw, but at the very least there is a lot of mitigation for his current predicament.

It’s not just the super stars like Salah, De Bruyne and Lukaku, there’s also players like Bertrand, Bonucci, Romeu and Garay.

On current evidence Davies is our first choice left back, so when assessing Shaw + Money v Rose the question has to be what is more useful to us not just immediately but longer term too.
 

Hengy1

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£50m wouldn’t be a lot if we get a decade worth out of him tbh.

All depends on how much poch wants him as I assume it’ll be a lot of our budget taken up
 

The Doc

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"Not my words, Carol, the words of Top Gear Magazine!"
There's no point finishing the sentence mickdale, because we are not buying a Luke Shaw. No, go on, try and finish the sentence and see what I do. Go on.

Mickdale: But, if you....

We are not buying a Luke Shaw, we are not buying a Luke Shaw, we are not buying a Luke Shaw.
 

Hercules

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There's a difference between being over priced and overrated though. There are very few 17yo's doing what he's doing, and he's doing it pretty consistently. 50m might seem like a lot, and I agree it does, but in this crazy market? Mbappe goes for 180m and you think hmm...
To me personally, I rate him highly, but certainly not at 50m! I think that is a risk I wouldn’t take. His delivery isn’t great, and much more. He does not have a trick in him (so to speak). I believe he can be worked out by the opposition. However, at 25-30m, I think he is worth it at that price.

It then effects our overall budget to spend 50m on a key player, it certainly isn’t him imho. I much rather Malcom at slightly less than that. I believe circa 40m ish with add-ons, if we continue our quest for him.

To mention Mbappe ridiculous price-agreed, he does have a lot of all round technical attributes.
 
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Bus-Conductor

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To me personally, I rate him highly, but certainly not at 50m! I think that is a risk I wouldn’t take. His delivery isn’t great, and much more. He does not have a trick in him (so to speak). I believe he can be worked out by the opposition. However, at 25-30m, I think he is worth it at that price.

It then effects our overall budget to spend 50m on a key player, it certainly isn’t him imho. I much rather Malcom at slightly less than that. I believe circa 40m ish with add-ons, if we continue our quest for him.

To mention Mbappecatca ridiculous price-agreed, he does have a lot of all round technical attributes.

I don't think you always need a trick, what Sessegnon has got is a good combination of acceleration, intelligence and composure (especially for a 17yo) when he gets into forward situations.

I would rather have gone for him or Malcom than Moura TBH, I think both are more productive, direct threat types, who don't fuck about, and we already have plenty who like to fuck about.

Mbappe is a huge talent, and will be for years to come. But my point was at 17 Sessegnon could end up worth a hell of a lot more than 50m. He might not, but I think the kid has something, talent and a good mentality.

Personally, my absolute no.1 preference is a very good CM/8.
 

Hercules

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I don't think you always need a trick, what Sessegnon has got is a good combination of acceleration, intelligence and composure (especially for a 17yo) when he gets into forward situations.

I would rather have gone for him or Malcom than Moura TBH, I think both are more productive, direct threat types, who don't fuck about, and we already have plenty who like to fuck about.

Mbappe is a huge talent, and will be for years to come. But my point was at 17 Sessegnon could end up worth a hell of a lot more than 50m. He might not, but I think the kid has something, talent and a good mentality.

Personally, my absolute no.1 preference is a very good CM/8.

Agree on your closing, but not your opening. When you are paying 50m on a youngster, they have to offer more than what he does imho. There are ridiculous youngsters in Germany, France and Spain, that are between the ages of 18-19, that has a lot more, and could cost is a lot less. Unfortunately I won’t be naming names. There is no hint in that.

Malcom, I have rated for a good 2 years, and was hoping we could nick him. So now the hype came out. Moura, you watch him next season. He is a PLAYER.
 
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Hengy1

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I don't think you always need a trick, what Sessegnon has got is a good combination of acceleration, intelligence and composure (especially for a 17yo) when he gets into forward situations.

I would rather have gone for him or Malcom than Moura TBH, I think both are more productive, direct threat types, who don't fuck about, and we already have plenty who like to fuck about.

Mbappe is a huge talent, and will be for years to come. But my point was at 17 Sessegnon could end up worth a hell of a lot more than 50m. He might not, but I think the kid has something, talent and a good mentality.

Personally, my absolute no.1 preference is a very good CM/8.
I’m actually glad we got moura over the other two. He’s exactly what we need.

CM/pure number 8 has to be next on our list though that’s for sure
 

Sweech

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Very much agree that there is basis for your scepticism, but at 22 Rose is a player most of us would’ve driven to Sunderland and look at what Pochettino did with him. Obviously there is a big risk factor with Shaw based on the past 3 seasons but that’s for our scouts to assess. What I would say is that the list of young players who have been far better post Mourinho is a long one. Again, not reason to sign Shaw, but at the very least there is a lot of mitigation for his current predicament.

It’s not just the super stars like Salah, De Bruyne and Lukaku, there’s also players like Bertrand, Bonucci, Romeu and Garay.

On current evidence Davies is our first choice left back, so when assessing Shaw + Money v Rose the question has to be what is more useful to us not just immediately but longer term too.
I think the problem with the list of players that did well post-Mourinho is they all played ( at least elsewhere) did they not?

Shaw is basically doing nothing but sitting in rehab or sitting at home. He barely even sits on the bench.
 

FreddieYid

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I’d definitely go for like Shaw, really fits the mound of what has succeeded with us and already loves our manager. When Utd signed him he was a certainty for this summer’s World Cup, probably as first choice, now pretty much completely thanks to Mourinho that’s definitely not going to happen.

He signed for them 4 years ago... I’m not sure you can be a certainty for a starting place at a World Cup that’s 4 years away!
 

BringBack_leGin

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He signed for them 4 years ago... I’m not sure you can be a certainty for a starting place at a World Cup that’s 4 years away!
My point being was that his talent and projected development was such that he would have been expected to be England’s first choice by now. He made his debut for England that year, Rose for example didn’t until 2016 as a 25/26 year old.

Luke Shaw at 17/18 was a far superior player to the 23 year old Rose Pochettino inherited, so I’m confident that if we made that trade, we’d have the better left back, not United, within about half a season,
 

am_yisrael_chai

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My point being was that his talent and projected development was such that he would have been expected to be England’s first choice by now. He made his debut for England that year, Rose for example didn’t until 2016 as a 25/26 year old.

Luke Shaw at 17/18 was a far superior player to the 23 year old Rose Pochettino inherited, so I’m confident that if we made that trade, we’d have the better left back, not United, within about half a season,
As I posted previously read what Poch said about Shaw in his book, would be stunned if we signed him, although I agree with you I think there is a player in there.
 

allpaths

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i know mourinho ruins a lot of players, what manager that's been in the game as long as he has hasnt? But Shaw seems bit of dickhead and deserves his share of blame for his predicament as well. Also his injury record is a big concern. We can do better imo.
 

bubble07

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Cant believe I'm even suggesting this but considering the home grown situation we could do a lot worse then signing ben foster on a 2 year deal.. Experienced home grown prem keeper who will leave wesr brom
 

Guntz

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Alex Telles from Porto is someone I’d love us to go for.

If we’re looking for a new LB.
 
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