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danielneeds

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Completely agree. We have enough in front it's a real top quality CM match dictator that is required. Someone that can up the tempo and change our play from deep. At the moment it's Dier that is trying to do it and he doesn't have the tools to do so.
I just don’t agree with this. We controlled the match today for large portions, established midfield control, but in the final third came up short. The ball was bouncing off Sonny every time he got it, Kane lacked any zip, whether fit or not, Alli tried the flicks and tricks but didn’t have another meaningful
involvement after his goal.

It was the same against Juve, we established control, but weren’t clinical enough in the final third when on top. And against teams as talented as United and Juve, you’re not going to dominate from 0-90.

The only team we can’t gain midfield control against is City - and they have truly special players in there. Maybe a different approach is needed.
 

GioW

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Of people really believe we don’t need upgrade offensive players to play with Kane, or alternate etc, i then give up. I rate Sonny, but he is not the one to effect a change. In other words, Sonny? Kane etc need competition. And before someone throws in Lamrla, he is not the player to make a difference.

Just saying...

Agree. If you're being ruthless there's lots of that type in the squad - good players but are they going to be next level or even have the potential to get to the next level.

Trippier? Davies? Dier? Lamela? Son?

For me it's Jan, Sanchez , Eriksen, Alli and Kane who are the jewels and they need significant upgrades around them.
 

Hercules

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I just don’t agree with this. We controlled the match today for large portions, established midfield control, but in the final third came up short. The ball was bouncing off Sonny every time he got it, Kane lacked any zip, whether fit or not, Alli tried the flicks and tricks but didn’t have another meaningful
involvement after his goal.

It was the same against Juve, we established control, but weren’t clinical enough in the final third when on top. And against teams as talented as United and Juve, you’re not going to dominate from 0-90.

The only team we can’t gain midfield control against is City - and they have truly special players in there. Maybe a different approach is needed.
Good post
 

rossdapep

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Modric is quality but he’s 33 in September...
But players of this mould still bring so much even at this age. Look at Pirlo, Iniesta, Xavi - they don't need to rely so much on athleticism because their brain is always steps ahead. And with Wanyama, Alli, Eriksen buzzing around him, it wouldn't be so heavy for him. I wouldn't expect him to play every game either, we could potentially sign a prospect or use Winks/Onomah sparely so that they learn.
 

Phil-spur99

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Completely agree. We have enough in front it's a real top quality CM match dictator that is required. Someone that can up the tempo and change our play from deep. At the moment it's Dier that is trying to do it and he doesn't have the tools to do so.
I understand Trix but you say you think we are ok up front / attacking positions but we didn’t really create anything against Brighton, Stoke or the second half today in particular. May be it’s just the reality that some of our attacking players aren’t as good as we think, or is it an attacking style / patterns of play issue from the training ground?
 

felmani26

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But players of this mould still bring so much even at this age. Look at Pirlo, Iniesta, Xavi - they don't need to rely so much on athleticism because their brain is always steps ahead. And with Wanyama, Alli, Eriksen buzzing around him, it wouldn't be so heavy for him. I wouldn't expect him to play every game either, we could potentially sign a prospect or use Winks/Onomah sparely so that they learn.
Case in point is how dependent Utd were on Scholes and having to wheel him back out of retirement because he was still instrumental even at an advanced age in how they functioned.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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Our recent transfer business is a cause for concern. It’s not just that players like Janssen and Llorente haven’t worked out it is more troubling that they look like completely the wrong type of player in the first place. In the last few years it seems that of 4 or 5 incomings per summer only 1 is a useful addition to the squad / first 11, last summer it was Sanchez, the summer before Wanyama. We can buy young or we can buy old but we need to get the right profile. Many on here expressed their concerns about Aurier having watched him before he arrived and who can say they were wrong. This was after 6-12 months of scouting for a new RB, not exactly encouraging from a scouting perspective.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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When we spend large sums of money with a very limited budget on players like Sissoko, Aurier, Llorente and Janssen then what do you expect?

Those players are never going to be the deciding factor in delivering any silverware, and were shown the door almost willingly by the clubs they came from.

When we spend limited funds that we have more wisely then perhaps we will prosper, after all the reason for top players not joining in the past was that we had no CL football now we are about to make is a third year running what excuse next?

Oh and before people say wages, we should have consolidated the money wasted on the aforementioned players and plowed all the chips into one or two decent fucking signings.

Those four alone must be costing us close to one hundred million.
 

rossdapep

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Our recent transfer business is a cause for concern. It’s not just that players like Janssen and Llorente haven’t worked out it is more troubling that they look like completely the wrong type of player in the first place. In the last few years it seems that of 4 or 5 incomings per summer only 1 is a useful addition to the squad / first 11, last summer it was Sanchez, the summer before Wanyama. We can buy young or we can buy old but we need to get the right profile. Many on here expressed their concerns about Aurier having watched him before he arrived and who can say they were wrong. This was after 6-12 months of scouting for a new RB, not exactly encouraging from a scouting perspective.
I think you're largely right. I do still think Aurier will come good and I think things may be different had he joined us earlier in the summer, I suppose our hands were tied what with his situation. Perhaps we should have brought in another RB earlier on, before we sold Walker. I was more frustrated with our inability to secure an attacking option or a CM.
 

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But players of this mould still bring so much even at this age. Look at Pirlo, Iniesta, Xavi - they don't need to rely so much on athleticism because their brain is always steps ahead. And with Wanyama, Alli, Eriksen buzzing around him, it wouldn't be so heavy for him. I wouldn't expect him to play every game either, we could potentially sign a prospect or use Winks/Onomah sparely so that they learn.
Essentially we sell Dembele and Sissoko (which seems to be the way it’s looking) and get Modric and De Jong. I think that would make sense for the CM situation. I would still rather Kovacic as I highly rate him, he’s only 23 and has the perfect build for the PL, but I don’t see us going for him. Modric on a cut price deal I see as more likely.
 

Cravenspurs

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Per @Hercules piece on
If people really believe we don’t need upgrade offensive players to play with Kane, or alternate etc, i then give up. I rate Sonny, but he is not the one to effect a change. In other words, Sonny? Kane etc need competition. And before someone throws in Lamela, he is not the player to make a difference.

Just saying...

I don’t think people are saying some more quality up top isn’t needed. I just look at it as a hiarchy of needs and based on Poch’s historical setup, for me the biggest gaps are:

1. CM - 2 stars needed. Diawara, Modric would be butter. De Jong too? Color me purple.

2. WBs - our attack has lacked width all season. Can’t get behind a team for the life of us. I think KWP has it in him to be a stud. I don’t trust Serge. Tripps and Davies are fine depth, but not starters imo. Who? Idk honestly.

3. Attack - Bale, Mahrez, whomever, but someone that can really make something out of nothing.

4. CB - 1 in. With a Diawara type Dier is finally moved to where he should be and a Verts, Dier, Sanchez, Foyth quartet is mighty fine in my opinion.

I agree we need #3, but it’s not the highest need imo. If we have enough funds to address all 4 then fuck yeah, let’s Man City this bitch.
 

Hercules

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Per @Hercules piece on


I don’t think people are saying some more quality up top isn’t needed. I just look at it as a hiarchy of needs and based on Poch’s historical setup, for me the biggest gaps are:

1. CM - 2 stars needed. Diawara, Modric would be butter. De Jong too? Color me purple.

2. WBs - our attack has lacked width all season. Can’t get behind a team for the life of us. I think KWP has it in him to be a stud. I don’t trust Serge. Tripps and Davies are fine depth, but not starters imo. Who? Idk honestly.

3. Attack - Bale, Mahrez, whomever, but someone that can really make something out of nothing.

4. CB - 1 in. With a Diawara type Dier is finally moved to where he should be and a Verts, Dier, Sanchez, Foyth quartet is mighty fine in my opinion.

I agree we need #3, but it’s not the highest need imo. If we have enough funds to address all 4 then fuck yeah, let’s Man City this bitch.
Good argument
 

Ghost Hardware

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I think you're largely right. I do still think Aurier will come good and I think things may be different had he joined us earlier in the summer, I suppose our hands were tied what with his situation. Perhaps we should have brought in another RB earlier on, before we sold Walker. I was more frustrated with our inability to secure an attacking option or a CM.
Personaly I really wish we had got Cancelo from Valencia. He’s currently on loan at inter and he looks a real talent. His real skill is his delivery’s into the box, which are insane, better then Trips, but he’s also an excellent technical player and is a very good dribbler for a full back. He’s not the fastest (although I reckon he is quicker then Trips) but he’s certainly not slow and his positioning is pretty good. He’s only 23 and I really think Poch could have turned him into a world class full back very easily. I really think he will be going to one of the big clubs in a season or two. I will say that I have only watched him for Inter and not Valencia so I can’t really comment oh his past, but I have watched almost every Inter game this season and he along with karamoh, 19 year old winger on loan from Cean, are the exciting youth talent there.

Saying all this, I do think we have to give Aurier another season, I just worry that he doesn’t have the mentality to develop in the way we need him to. But in general I do have very big concerned over our ability to replace players we loose. For every Sanchez there’s a Llorente, Aurier, Janssen, N’someone etc. Let’s just hope Moura turns becomes what we all hope we will be, we can’t have anymore Inconsistent attacking midfielders.
 

Saoirse

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Every club has poor signings. Generally the success rate is only one in two or so. It's just that when the likes of Arsenal buy someone like Lacazette, who may be on more money than all four of those signings for us combined, and he flops, they can just buy Aubameyang four months later. We don't have that luxury.
 

lukespurs7

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Next year we might be on a part with them financially. But that doesn't improve the team we have on the pitch now. Right now we have far less money to spend than either of those sides. If we could've just offered Walker £350k a week when he wanted out like Woolwich did with Ozil, he would've stayed. If we could've just bought Salah rather than Llorente, we'd probably have won the league. But right now we don't have those resources, simple as that, and it means we have to try and punch above our weight to compete with these sides.
Agreed we’ve been playing catch up on the other top 5 the last 5-10’yrs.
 

lukespurs7

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The gate money isn't where the major difference is though. It's corporate and commercial revenue, where this season we're still miles behind. And the other thing to bear in mind is that the historical accounts do matter - the other teams being richer means they were able to buy better players in previous windows who are still in their squads now, so there's a delay effect. If we start making the same amount of money as them from next season, we'll be in a roughly similar positions in about four years, so somewhere around 2022 or 2023.
Spot on. We are playing catch up. It’s depressing.
 

lukespurs7

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Am starting to think it's a bit both. I think you only have to look at United's squad (which I don't think is as talented as ours) and the way they play (which is pretty damn shit, but somehow effective), compare it with ours and think how have they won potentially 3 trophies in the last 2 seasons with us winning nothing.

I guess another way to look at it is regardless of how talented this group of players are, do they as a collective lack the ability to attain that trophy winning mentality? It is a young squad. Do they need better man management or more experienced heads playing alongside them? I know I'm posing the same questions that you've basically asked but it's just hard to say I guess.
Hard to say mate, mabye time and experience will help but then again that first trophy and winning feeling is what they need and the longer they wait goes on it becomes more of a self fulfilling prophecy + we keep losing key players, Walker now Toby and Rose more than likely, season after that who’s next, eriksen, Kane? And if we don’t replace or improve on these key players then we just go backwards. Our team without a fully fit and In form walker Toby and rose and wanyama is worse than last season hence why we are 4th not 2nd.
 

lukespurs7

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Been saying all season our full back are not good enough (Davies and trips).

Rose and aurier were meant to be first choice but have been disappointing. I'd sell both and bring in 2 more. Only need to look at City to see how important good fbs are
Agreed
 
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