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Matrix

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No one was hassling you was just advising before the mods do calm down and shove a tampon in.
You said I was hassling. Make your mind up. I think you probably need to evaluate the way you administer your advice. Like I said give over.
 

nailsy

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We need an experienced winner out on the pitch to help lead the rest of them. Our entire squad has won close to fuck all when looking at their collective winners medals. One or two proven winners may make a massive amount of difference.

Perhaps it's time to buy a few finished articles, who have played at the top, rather than young guys with potential?

Not this again!?! We have plenty of winners in our team....

Hugo - winner Coupe De France
Toby - 3 Dutch titles and La Liga title. 2 cups
Jan - 2 Dutch titles, 2 cups.
Sanchez - Copa libertadores
Vic - 2 Scottish titles and the Scottish cup.
Sissoko - egg and spoon race year ten.
Llorente - 3 Italian titles, 3 Italian cups, the world cup, the Europa league, the European championship.
Dembele - the Dutch title
Eriksen - 4 Dutch titles, 2 Dutch cups.
Aurier - Two french titles, nine cups and the African cup of nations.
Moira - 4 french titles, 11 cups, the confederations cup. Copa sudamericana.

How many more do we need?

Yeah, Sessegnon is a great talent, no doubt about that. But if we want a LB that will take us to the next level instantly I doubt Sessegnon is the answer.

I can see a scenario where we sign Sessegnon:
  • All Spurs fans are ecstatic
  • Sessegnon does a few cameos in the league and some 90 minutes in the EFL cup during the 18/19 season
  • Us fans are angry because Pochettino won't give him a chance etc..
  • Pochettino says he's a fantastic talent but needs more training and experience at the highest level
I just believe it's highly unlikely that Sessegnon would come in and take a place in the first eleven in his first season. The sentiment around here seems to be that we need real quality signings this window to keep our momentum going. Which is why I'm a bit baffled surrounding all the rave about signing Sessegnon. I can see a clash between reality / expectations if we sign Sessegnon.

Why wouldn't he play? We signed Dele from lower down the league, he showed Poch he was ready, he played.
 

Lighty64

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I know some will say they are largely happy with the squad and that "we don't need much." With increased revenue & player sales we really have an opportunity this season to have a great summer window.
I don't see why it can't be both quality and quantity with the proposed outgoings.

This is still a wishlist thread, right?

In:
Sess/De Ligt/De Jong/J-Rod/Pereira/Kurzawa (or better like Telles)/Maddison = £265?

Out:
Janssen/Nkoudou/Sissoko/Llorente/Rose/Toby/Dembele/Onomah/CCV/Vorm/AURIER! = £240-250ish?

For around £15-£25m we can seriously upgrade the squad.

I know it's a wish list, but that looks more like a shopping list for Xmas

the problem would be so many players bedding in, in a WC year where we have 75% of our squad involved, not having a chance to blend during Pre Season, and also needing a settled team to go on the front foot with the fact we might have to play the 1st 3-4 games away due to the stadium.

we really do need to look for a replacement for Dembele, with someone that can do the good bits he does, but can also distribute the ball quicker and score the odd goal.

if we are going to sell Rose we need someone that's pacey and good at the wingback role.

with Toby on the bench yesterday, and the contract issues, he looks to be on his way, I'd drop Dier back if and when we decide to play 3 at the back.
 

daryl hannah

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(Wishlist revised). Right, I've got it. 2 x double swoops.

De Ligt/De Jong
Telles/Pereira
Sessegnon
Jay Rod
Sam Johnstone (Free)

DONE.
 

Haddock

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Why wouldn't he play? We signed Dele from lower down the league, he showed Poch he was ready, he played.

Dele is the exception that proves the rule. It's very rare that a player goes from the lower English leauges straight in to a top four starting eleven.

Further more the sentiment on Sessegnon seems to be that he's main strengths are up front, he's even played LW for Fulham at times. I just believe it's highly unlikely that Pochettino, who builds his teams from the back, would confide in an inexperienced 18 year old.

Don't get me wrong. I'd still like us to sign Sessegnon but he's one for the future and not the immediate present as I see it.
 
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Not this again!?! We have plenty of winners in our team....

Hugo - winner Coupe De France
Toby - 3 Dutch titles and La Liga title. 2 cups
Jan - 2 Dutch titles, 2 cups.
Sanchez - Copa libertadores
Vic - 2 Scottish titles and the Scottish cup.
Sissoko - egg and spoon race year ten.
Llorente - 3 Italian titles, 3 Italian cups, the world cup, the Europa league, the European championship.
Dembele - the Dutch title
Eriksen - 4 Dutch titles, 2 Dutch cups.
Aurier - Two french titles, nine cups and the African cup of nations.
Moira - 4 french titles, 11 cups, the confederations cup. Copa sudamericana.

How many more do we need?



Why wouldn't he play? We signed Dele from lower down the league, he showed Poch he was ready, he played.
Maybe the Prem is just a bloody hard league, with billions of pounds generated and spent every year. It’s hard to compete against a Ferrari on VW/Ford money, so let’s be grateful that every year we put another piece of the puzzle together.

Just think, this time next year we will have been back at home, in the finest stadium in the league. We will probably have a had a good spell of form and should have signed at least a few players to plug the gaps we’re all talking about.

Lighten up people! I can remember when it wasn’t Man U knocking us about in the cup but bloody Portsmouth. We’re progressing! Chill!
 

Shadydan

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Sessegnon will be a starter if he comes here, if not at the beginning of the season then he'll force his way in.
 

Bus-Conductor

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I just don’t agree with this. We controlled the match today for large portions, established midfield control, but in the final third came up short. The ball was bouncing off Sonny every time he got it, Kane lacked any zip, whether fit or not, Alli tried the flicks and tricks but didn’t have another meaningful
involvement after his goal.

It was the same against Juve, we established control, but weren’t clinical enough in the final third when on top. And against teams as talented as United and Juve, you’re not going to dominate from 0-90.

The only team we can’t gain midfield control against is City - and they have truly special players in there. Maybe a different approach is needed.


We certainly didn't have control of the first half against Juve away, when that tie was effectively lost, we were two and could have been three goals down.

And there is a massive difference in being able to control the central third of the pitch to actually turning that control into quality chances, to do that you need more than pure possession, you intelligence, wit and speed of thought and the skill set to turn that into something productive.

At the moment we are way to reliant on the front 4 producing everything creative, we need to get the ball to the fb's quicker, to the AM's before teams are parked, so that we can overload and create better quality chances.

I'm not saying that we can't improve forward areas, but the likes of Bale or, god forbid, Zaha aren't going to make much difference to a team that plods the ball around midfield all day, they would only be effective in a Liverpool type game of explosive transition, which again would require midfielders that transition quicker than Dier and Dembele who need to triple check every pass before sending it.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Which I am wondering why this thread hasn’t merged with that one. Basically the same convo
It did occur to me that this thread was basically going to be exactly what you say and I thought I'd keep an eye on it to see how it went. It's obvious that you're right so, merged.

While I'm here I'll mention it again so that people know, when the ITK Forums open, all existing transfer related threads will be locked and any that are subsequently created will just be locked or deleted.

Oh and once again, please don't ask ITK's for information, if they have something they want to say, they'll say it.

Ta
 
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hyperterric2004

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Personally I would not sell Dembele and I think it would be a mistake to do so. We need to buy another quality CM to compete for a place or play alongside him. Dembele just needs to be managed as I don't think he can play every game. We need to learn from Sir Alex how he managed his older stars like Scholes and Giggs with Dembele IMO.

Against Brighton for example I thought we really missed Dembele.

I would sell Llorente, Sissoko, Nkoudou, Jansen, Rose and unfortunately Toby (if we have no choice).

We need to buy a striker/forward that is completely different to Kane IMO with dynamic pace that can equally play with him or take his place IMO.
 

nailsy

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Dele is the exception that proves the rule. It's very rare that a player goes from the lower English leauges straight in to a top four starting eleven.

Further more the sentiment on Sessegnon seems to be that he's main strengths are up front, he's even played LW for Fulham at times. I just believe it's highly unlikely that Pochettino, who builds his teams from the back, would confide in an inexperienced 18 year old.

Don't get me wrong. I'd still like us to sign Sessegnon but he's one for the future and not the immediate present as I see it.

I don't think that age has anything to do with it.... Or not a huge amount. All of our signings have to prove themselves in training before they make the team. Very few players sign and get straight into the team.
I'm reading Poch's book at the moment and he mentions in there that he likes to have a young hungry player in the team.
 

Trix

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We need creative and intelligent midfielders... Dembele wont take us to the promised land.
I think an inform Dembele next to a more creative type would work well. In a more defensive roll his dribbling could be useful against sides that cut off the passing lanes, giving us a double threat option wise from midfield. As we saw yesterday though mourinho knew it was our only option and it was obvious his game plan was to just crowd him out whenever he got the ball.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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Personally I would not sell Dembele and I think it would be a mistake to do so. We need to buy another quality CM to compete for a place or play alongside him. Dembele just needs to be managed as I don't think he can play every game. We need to learn from Sir Alex how he managed his older stars like Scholes and Giggs with Dembele IMO.

Against Brighton for example I thought we really missed Dembele.

I would sell Llorente, Sissoko, Nkoudou, Jansen, Rose and unfortunately Toby (if we have no choice).

We need to buy a striker/forward that is completely different to Kane IMO with dynamic pace that can equally play with him or take his place IMO.
I love Dembele but the problem we have is that he is utterly unique, fine if he was fit all the time but given that he isn't it makes it impossible to build a pattern of play.
 

danielneeds

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We certainly didn't have control of the first half against Juve away, when that tie was effectively lost, we were two and could have been three goals down.

And there is a massive difference in being able to control the central third of the pitch to actually turning that control into quality chances, to do that you need more than pure possession, you intelligence, wit and speed of thought and the skill set to turn that into something productive.

At the moment we are way to reliant on the front 4 producing everything creative, we need to get the ball to the fb's quicker, to the AM's before teams are parked, so that we can overload and create better quality chances.

I'm not saying that we can't improve forward areas, but the likes of Bale or, god forbid, Zaha aren't going to make much difference to a team that plods the ball around midfield all day, they would only be effective in a Liverpool type game of explosive transition, which again would require midfielders that transition quicker than Dier and Dembele who need to triple check every pass before sending it.
I know you watch a lot more continental footy than I’m able to these days, but I just don’t see a plethora of deep lying playmakers able to slice through top class defences at will. Even Pep, with his unlimited resources, opted to convert KDB into one rather than try to find it in the market.
 
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